any kiss users have exp. with veg+bloom

[Lyfespan]

Your HD has urea N in it? All I see on mine is ammoniacal N and nitrate N hmmmmmm

ammoniacal N im lead to beilieve is urea based N.

 

[Lyfespan]

yeah the short time i did use it , i added the + size first at half the recomended dose & then just enough V&B to get to my desired EC .
after a couple rez fulls , i noticed the residue on the bottom & had to clean out my rez & pumps & lines so i didn't get clogs , i also didn't notice much change in my flowers so i just stopped using it all together . it was almost like a sand in the bottom & it can't be good for my pumps !!!

ok first night of watering with the V+B and +SIZE.

findings: V+B HD mixed into RO has a lot of insoluble sediment its whitish in color. granted i mixed and didnt wait hours or anything, i mix and water by hand.

The +SIZE when added to the V+B also like DANS said sediment only this stuff is blue in color?

anyone else getting this? im wondering if i going to run into somekind of build up with the sediment in the coco

also i run humidity at 55-60% here and when the V+B is on anything plastic, something in the mix grabs moisture out of the air real bad and cakes up wet in 10-30 mins craziest thing. really fucked with me for a sec, i have to mix up a lot of batches so i kept coming back to the scoop going wtf wash it, dry it and same thing everytime.

some commented on the smells of the mixes, both smell yummy. V+B smells like lemonade crystal delight, i use it a lot for pre work out mixes. and the +SIZE i swear smells like crushed up Flintstones vitamins..

one watering here went thru almost a pound.

early bloomers got 1TBS V+B per 5 gallons 0.8-1.0 ec
mid bloomers got 1TBS and 1tsp V+B per 5 gallons 1.0-1.2
late bloomers got 3 tsp V+B and 1tsp +SIZE per 5 gallon 1.2

veggers will be watered this afternoon.

 

[brainzfuxed]

Anybody?

Thinking to modify my sprouting technique

Current method is to insert cracked seeds into Starter cubes. Once I see roots out the bottom I transfer to a ~ 3" net pot, then side fill with ornamental rock (see pic). Since the rocks don't wick, the cube stays pretty wet, risking root rot

New Idea

Line the net pot with coco coir, including the bottom and snug fit the cube. This will then go into my bubbler. Also, will apply a cap to cover the sprout from light

This will require minimal cc, but will increase heat/humidity a good thing at this stage

Once root system is developed each plant will go into a 2 liter air pot (4liter cut in half) this time side filled with polished ornamental rock.

The rock provides cooling, with lots of channels for roots to branch out

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My technique and have had 100% success. Grab yourself a red solo cup and Canna coco brand coco cut with 30 perlite (or 100% coco your choice). Mix a solution for RO and rhizotonic or your favorite rooting hormone and then pour through the coco in the red solo cup to prep the medium. Make small hole using qtip and then drop seed in. Cover lightly with coco and feed every couple days that same RO and rhizotonic mix using a sprayer as to not disrupt the soil and seed placement. Place this under t5 light no humidity dome needed. This works every time for me and will continue to do this. No need to complicate this as its so easy

 

[stoned40yrs]

ok first night of watering with the V+B and +SIZE.

findings: V+B HD mixed into RO has a lot of insoluble sediment its whitish in color. granted i mixed and didnt wait hours or anything, i mix and water by hand.

The +SIZE when added to the V+B also like DANS said sediment only this stuff is blue in color?

anyone else getting this? im wondering if i going to run into somekind of build up with the sediment in the coco

also i run humidity at 55-60% here and when the V+B is on anything plastic, something in the mix grabs moisture out of the air real bad and cakes up wet in 10-30 mins craziest thing. really fucked with me for a sec, i have to mix up a lot of batches so i kept coming back to the scoop going wtf wash it, dry it and same thing everytime.

some commented on the smells of the mixes, both smell yummy. V+B smells like lemonade crystal delight, i use it a lot for pre work out mixes. and the +SIZE i swear smells like crushed up Flintstones vitamins..

one watering here went thru almost a pound.

early bloomers got 1TBS V+B per 5 gallons 0.8-1.0 ec
mid bloomers got 1TBS and 1tsp V+B per 5 gallons 1.0-1.2
late bloomers got 3 tsp V+B and 1tsp +SIZE per 5 gallon 1.2

veggers will be watered this afternoon.

I get the whitish flakes that don't dissolve in my well water also. If you get this and the sand from the +size and you are mixing in 5 gal pails then just don't use the dregs at the bottom when you feed if you are worried about it. You used $20+ worth of nutes for 1 watering, damn how plants do you have They say this stuff is a water conserving mix, maybe that is why you see a strange reaction on plastic.

 

[Flaxseed]

ok first night of watering with the V+B and +SIZE.

findings: V+B HD mixed into RO has a lot of insoluble sediment its whitish in color. granted i mixed and didnt wait hours or anything, i mix and water by hand.

For comparison....

Got my V+B Dirty couple weeks back, first time for me.

Mixing with my RO (.04 ec) it's very dark and the little sentiment left behind is black.

 

[dansbuds]

The RO formula is nice & clean

 

[Lyfespan]

I get the whitish flakes that don't dissolve in my well water also. If you get this and the sand from the +size and you are mixing in 5 gal pails then just don't use the dregs at the bottom when you feed if you are worried about it. You used $20+ worth of nutes for 1 watering, damn how plants do you have They say this stuff is a water conserving mix, maybe that is why you see a strange reaction on plastic.

lol yes use a lot of nutes here hence the needing something simpler to feed my forests

 

[Lyfespan]

dans i mixed up each by themselves and i get the +SIZE mixing in perfect and the V+B having a lil sediment even after 2 days of sitting.

i too did the standing test, ph barely creeped up after 3 days and ec fell very lil

so far so good though

i also decided to run just the +SIZE on my girls that only have a few weeks left, see if i can see any difference.

 

[Grow Tech]

@lyfespan & others...just e reminder that it works real well to use a small sifter and shake the V+B I as you stir. You might be doing that already but thought I'd mention it. It's the method Chris suggested.

 

[dansbuds]

i just mix in 5 gallon buckets with a wooden spoon & have never had it NOT mix up completely by the time the bucket is full . i add the V&B while my RO pump is filling the bucket & then PH the whole thing if it even needs it .it depends on the strength if it needs the PH adjusted .

 

[Tonatiuh]

ive been using it with certain strains that dnt like toooo strong of a mix.this stuff does grow some awesome buds thats for sure....i cant use it with the tk's and og chems and a few others and get the results theyre capable of but if i throw it on the jack the rippers,p1's and #4's they perform much better....i guess i do like it,it has its place for sure.now i juts need to get it dialed a little better like some of you folks...w the plus size i been using 1 gram a gallon and w the plus life,i havnt used it again yet because i forget the ratio... i think its 1 gram every 5 gallons,yea?
peace-T-

 

[dansbuds]

Lower doses do help Tonatiuh ! i never go over 1.4 EC (700TDS) at peek strength in flower & the results speak for them selves !!!

some Diesel fire at 57 days

& some Gorilla bubble back crosses at 62 days

 

[OrganicFarmer]

Anyone running tap in a waterfarm drip system. I'm having PH trouble. Thinking it's my rocks. Been a while since I've ran hydro.

 

[OrganicFarmer]

RO is giving me the same issues. PH to 5.8 by morning it's back to 6.4

 

[dansbuds]

what rocks are you using OF ??? I use the RO formula in coco , but my rez takes about 4 days to get from 6.1 to 5.7 , thats when i bring it back up .

 

[OrganicFarmer]

Cyco expanded clay.

 

[OrganicFarmer]

I'm just running out of the tap also. Maybe when the chlorine off gasses the PH is going up. I need to change my filter in my tall boy to the kdf85. I'll see what happens then.

 

[symbiote420]

ive been using it with certain strains that dnt like toooo strong of a mix.this stuff does grow some awesome buds thats for sure....i cant use it with the tk's and og chems and a few others and get the results theyre capable of but if i throw it on the jack the rippers,p1's and #4's they perform much better....i guess i do like it,it has its place for sure.now i juts need to get it dialed a little better like some of you folks...w the plus size i been using 1 gram a gallon and w the plus life,i havnt used it again yet because i forget the ratio... i think its 1 gram every 5 gallons,yea?
peace-T-

Can you explain a lil more what you mean by you can use it with your OG and Chems? Those genes are in most of the crosses I'm running atm so that's not what I wanna hear from somebody else growing similar strains. I've ran my SFV x Star Dawg in organics, the only bottled nute I've used was Earth Juice which gave pretty damn good results, I might stick with one of those methods! I've used a few lines over the years and only the EJ has added up to quality of my own organic regimens so far. Maybe OGs/Chems need a lil bit more dialing in so I'll wait till my clones are ready to feed to start using the HD.

 

[Twisted pleasur]

Using HD with tap as per Chris's instructions I had to bump up to 1000ppm to stop having def. problems in a recirculating drip system watered 4 times per day 15min each. W/RW... Full Rez change once per week. Everything is rocking now but that def. higher then most have said using this powder... Running GG,BD,TK,CD, and others all responding the same...

I was doing lucas in the system and I was @ 1200-1300ppm for the same results. The HD plants are looking better then the Lucas IMO... Im only trying out in veg. so far to get the hang of everything before I try any flowering. I love the Cyco but I would like something more simple in my life.

Nice Job Dans those DFire are looking fat my man. No Locking up there thats for sure....

 

[jav2043]

Thanks Jay, wondering if I go with 50/50 promix/coco would I be able to use it w/o adding pH up? I know coco likes it around pH 5.5 - 5.8 and soilless around pH 6.0, when I mixed some up and had my buddy check it it came out to 5.9, that should be good for straight ProMix shouldn't it? I have some Armor Si that's 0-0-4, I got it for the EJ nutes I run from time to time, it raises the pH pretty respectably for me. I don't want it to interfere with the HD any, never used a pH up product before.

I think it should work with a 50/50 mix. I running reservoir with blumats now in straight coco and noticed that when first mixed ph is 5.8 but it swings up some with time. That would hit both coco and promix range.