Aliens, yay or nay?

[Cannavore]

That guys post above read like an episode of Ancient Aliens. Had to link him up with that documentary. Its long but good.


I used to believe AA was true. Had a friend (and his father) who were deeply interested in it. His father loaned me his first editions of von danikens books and I ate them up. In a nutshell most of what is on that show can be explained by human ingenuity, good editing techniques and a straight up biased approach to archeology,even sometimes outright lying to make their theories fit.

 

[Anti]

dude are u a trol or just in serious need of some decent erb? lol all i keep seein is u on a negative one bout all this lol plus i said they cant fit a blade inbetween THE INCA WALLS NOT THE PYRIMIDS and explain how they lifted n sloted together these 200 TON BLOCKS OF INCA WALLS with primitive tools when they reckon u cant even do it today with MOST cranes but THE RARE FEW HAVE THE POWER TO TODAY..so read my post properley before goin all crappy on em plz...lol and i suppose u also have an answer for ALL the references to SKY GODS and FALLEN ANGELS in religious books ( not that theres alot of truth about most other things in em lol) and anciant hystorical books in some civilisations, plus all the other megaliths and gigantic strange goings on like peces of stone that are ancient that have cut marks on them that no tool could leave there that only a laser or something could have left... OR AN ANCIENT NUCLEAR OR ATOMIC WAR/BLAST THAT WIPED OUT CIVILISATIONS THOUSOUNDS OF YEARS BEFORE WE WAS MEANT TO HAVE DESCOVERED SUCH POWER???? THAT STILL U CAN TAKE LIVE READINGS WITH METERS AT THE SITE??? what about loyde pye and his star child skull that actually has alien dna in it untracible on the father side on the whole earth but the mum can be traced to human decendantcy.. n the skull is made of a more tooth enamel than bone material thats half as thin but 5 times as strong n instead of the normal 2 sets of teeth we have ( baby underneath and then adult) this skull has 5 sets like that??? and an unexplainable red fiber inbetween the bone of skull that is what bonds it together so strongly that also can NOT BE TRACED TO ANYWHERE EVER ON THE PLANET... lol check LOYDE PYES WEBSITE OUT TYPE HIS NAME IN GOOGLE N U WILL HAVE MUCH PROOF TO MANY THINGS... EVERYTHING U KNOW IS WRONG...

Feel better?

 

[Suspect]

I would have liked to hear what this debunker has to say about vases and other stone artifacts found in egypt, and also somethign about the golden ratio and other measurements in the structures.
Here's something about the pyramids.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ugWCRliG4Rg

 

[HempKat]

Much of what you are saying here has already been debunked. You can fit a blade or a piece of paper between MANY of the stones in the pyramids. They *HAVE* replicated the building of the pyramids (on a smaller scale) they CAN chisel the rocks with the same sort of tools that the ancients used and get the same results. They don't have to use modern tools and then still fail at it.

You really should investigate these sorts of claims PRIOR to believing them.

Yeah I just watched Engineering Egypt on the science channel too. Yes they did replicate the ancient constructions using the popular theories of how they were done. If one paid close attention though they did point out that how it was specifically done is still a mystery. All that their replication ultimately proves is that it could have been done by man using common tools and resources but not that it actually was done that way. What I found rather interesting is in some of the carvings and inscriptions found at these sites they talk about what things are made of and where the materials came from but no mention of how the constructions were actually done. I mean if they're going to go to the trouble of carving in stone that they got these huge heavy pieces of stone from great distances away why not also brag on the amazing feat of logistical engineering it took to make it happen?

 

[HempKat]

Even anti and I agree on the one important thing.
Mega cities aren't the answer to over population...

But it is the answer if you want a "Judge Dredd" like future.

 

[Rob547]

Was watching a video about underground bases in the US. Secret govt facilities, secret technology that connects them all etc etc. Idk if anyone's heard of Phil Schneider, but he was killed by the govt for revealing these secrets. Pretty interesting, but.... he talks about how he fought and killed some aliens, and how some alien works at Area 51, that was a bit much IMO but, from what I could find these underground places do exist..

while on this subject too.. guess I'll say that I've always been fascinated by the Great Pyramids. Just don't understand how any of its construction was made possible, it is truly mind blowing. I think they estimate the pyramid at 2 million blocks of stone, built in 20 or so years, placed exactly due north, done more exactly than what was possible even in the 17th century or so. Even now, they don't think it would be possible to recreate...

 

[Mt Toker]

Rob, All that ancient alien stuff has been debunked. Pyramids were 100% made by humans and they had all the technology possible to do so.

 

[mean mr.mustard]

You must be old as fuck.

I didn't realize there were still living witnesses...

 

[Rob547]

How do you figure 100%???
I'm not saying that aliens came down and made it, I'm saying even by today's standards of architecture and construction, the Pyramids greatly exceed anything that most people can realize, comes down to literally centimeters and 10ths of degrees of accuracy, on an 8 sided pyramid...

 

[Harry Gypsna]

How do you figure 100%???
I'm not saying that aliens came down and made it, I'm saying even by today's standards of architecture and construction, the Pyramids greatly exceed anything that most people can realize, comes down to literally centimeters and 10ths of degrees of accuracy, on an 8 sided pyramid...

But they don't exceed what we can do now. It has been shown that we could build them right now, using copper chisels and bits of string, or modern technology, and some knowledge of the stars for the layout. The pyramids were not, as the Bible would have you believe, built by slaves. They were built by master stonemasons, who were paid a bloody good wage for the time, and we have payrolls to show it. A master stonemason can make a perfectly flat surface, and a totally square cube, from a round rock.
The great pyramid isn't really 8 sided, the sides are concave, but its not what I think of when I hear "8 sided pyramid"
It is no more magical than Stonehenge.

 

[gaiusmarius]

now wait just a minute, stone henge is also not amazing? ok this is pissing me off slowly, stop taking the wonder out of my life, roflmao!

 

[Harry Gypsna]

now wait just a minute, stone henge is also not amazing? ok this is pissing me off slowly, stop taking the wonder out of my life, roflmao!

Oh, it's definitely impressive, I'm just saying it's not magic or beyond the technological abilities of the people at the time it was built, just like the pyramids.

Stonehenge is still amazing,
plus it's where the Banshees live, and they do live well(Spinal Tap reference for all you poor unfortunates who haven't seen it).

 

[Suspect]

I have cut and sliced granite, limestone with powertools and drills and it is hard. I would like to see the copper chisels/drills that were used for these marble vases found in egypt.

Also other less known pyramids are interesting in the area such as Abu Rowash, Abu Garab, Dashour.

Egyptologists don't even have theory how these vases were made.

 

[HempKat]

But they don't exceed what we can do now. It has been shown that we could build them right now, using copper chisels and bits of string, or modern technology, and some knowledge of the stars for the layout. The pyramids were not, as the Bible would have you believe, built by slaves. They were built by master stonemasons, who were paid a bloody good wage for the time, and we have payrolls to show it. A master stonemason can make a perfectly flat surface, and a totally square cube, from a round rock.
The great pyramid isn't really 8 sided, the sides are concave, but its not what I think of when I hear "8 sided pyramid"
It is no more magical than Stonehenge.

My understanding is that recent evidence suggests that while there were indeed paid craftsman working on the pyramids there were still also slaves under the direction of said craftsman to perform hard labor.

 

[HempKat]

Maybe it's me but I'm seeing something strange here. There seem to be some who think that if it can be proven that man could have done it then that disproves it might have been done by aliens. Yet I seem to recall some of those same folks saying that just because something can't be proven to be man made doesn't mean it's alien. That seems kind of contradictory doesn't it?

Now I do agree that it's unlikely that aliens came here and built things like the Pyramids but I don't believe that because a way can be demonstrated that man could have done it. I believe it because there is no apparent benefit such structures would provide the aliens and what other point would there be in coming such a long way to build something that had no use or benefit for the effort?

What I do find very interesting though is that there are these examples of humans thru history that accomplished things they shouldn't have been able to accomplish and/or had knowledge well in advance of what we believe it should have been. These things tend to suggest that in some way we've either lost a significant amount of knowledge we had or that some unknown source provided knowledge ahead of the time it was provided. Because if we still had the knowledge these things wouldn't be mysteries we're still struggling to solve.

 

[Suspect]

I've personally visited the Angkor Wat temples in Cambodia in 06, and I believe we have had a global civilization with a fetish for stone structures and observation of the skies. It is also located on the "earth-grid". TPTB have known this for long enough to conceal the hidden knowledge and technologies used in the construction and carving.
This is where the alien-theory comes in IMO, isn't it convenient to tell a story of ancient astronauts with superior technologies, and we humans are on the pinnacle of our evolution and we may only speculate when and if these astronauts are going to come back and save us.
We have not been told everything about what is possible in our Reality imo.

 

[BushyOldGrower]

Nobody has built any pyramids lately but we did do Hoover Dam. We could do it now but for them to have done it then is quite remarkable. It seems that we are not the first civilization and that ice ages have caused numerous extinctions.

If you look far back in history instead of becoming more primitive you find more elaborate left over signs of civilization. Like the roman aqueducts. Under them they found older ruins of earlier ones that were bigger.

I rmember reading the book, We Are Not the First and it was really pretty convincing.

I think aliens have been here a long time but one possible way they got here is through reincarnation. If they reincarnate and remember past lives they could travel between lives.maybe it would be fun to go to another planet that way ourselves. But reincarnation is another good thread to debate or just knock around. Buddhists believe in reincarnation and so do other major religions so it is possible.

 

[197caregiver]

Wow... I always thought there was a few of us alien believers oh there lol what got me into bog seeds is his alien hippi logo lol

 

[gaiusmarius]

if man knew how and had the tools, whats more likely, man mad or alien made? where they got the knowledge for the pyramids and the sphinx and or abusimbel (name? place with big statues of Ramses) is another question. there again they probably had their own geniuses in those days that all worked for pharaoh, so is it so hard to imagine some of them were astronomers as well as master masons and architects, mathematicians etc.

 

[SooperSmurph]

Personally, the only mega structure I find mysterious is that city made of Diorite sitting on top of a mountain in Chile... Argentina? Somewhere down there.

They spent effort untold, this stuff is harder than granite or marble, 1-2 steps on the hardness scale below diamond, then they dragged these huge blocks up the side of a fucking mountain and didn't stop till they piled them together perfectly on the very top. wtf