Aliens, yay or nay?

[SooperSmurph]

Aliens and Cults are much too complicated an explanation for the horrible schemes that infest the world's governments.

The people who come into control of large amounts of money and resources spend most of their time trying to make sure they and those they trust continue to control large amounts of money and resources.

Crap about alien races and inner worlds and demons infesting the upper echelons of the freemasons just seems like a bunch of entertaining drivel that is in place to keep you thinking about entertaining drivel and not about taking your money and resources back.

 

[Anti]

I'm not trying to be a dick but you haven't studied the monetary system that is used in our country.

You don't know me, kid.

The fact that you are willing to make so many pronouncements about exactly what I do and do not know is more a statement about the trustworthiness of anything that you say than anything I might say against you.

You think you have me figured out. You think you have the "illuminati" figured out. You think they're devious and evil, have infiltrated high level positions in finance and government and you think that such an organization couldn't merely squash you like a bug? You think you're safe behind your IP address?

t's not called the money system. If you had studied it you wouldn't be asking me about the Illuminati.

How do you know what I know? I'm asking what YOU know.

Illuminati is a word used to refer to the 13 families that control our day to day lives. It's not like your going to break your conditioning over night or I'm going to present damning evidence that's going to instantly "wake you up", it's a slow process. You really need to question your reality, and most people can't truly do that.

Earth to draztik: My name is ANTI. I've been around here awhile. It's not a new thing. If anybody here in this thread is arguing AGAINST conditioning, accepting things without evidence, digging for the truth it is *ME*.

But I'm just a mindless sheep that can't see what you see, right? So show me.

What I'm talking about is a new kind of tyranny, unlike the tyranny's of the past this one is scientific.

Expand on that. Do you mean they learned from the failings of the past and actually did research? I believe THAT. I read 1984 a long time ago. And I have read it many times since then. And I pay attention better than most.

For all I know you could think this is all a joke and are having a good laugh or you may think it's a good thing to enslave the human race scientifically and psychologically with high tech forms of brainwashing.

Oh... so you DON'T know shit about me after all. Please stop assuming you do.

The flicker rate of T.V. puts your brain in an alpha wave state where your basically hypnotized. Read the book "Propaganda" by Edward Bernays published back in 1928. He was Sigmund Freud's nephew.

Yay! An actual suggestion! Got anything more recent than 1928?
If not, I'll go digging and see if I can find it. If you have a link to it, that'd be super.

Are you even reading what I type or are you just going with your script? You know I said that I believe there are some assholes trying to run the world way back on page 98 or so. The first time you brought it up?

“Diet, injections and injunctions will combine, from a very early age, to produce the sort of character and the sort of beliefs that the authorities consider desirable, and any serious criticism of the powers that be will become psychologically impossible.” – Bertrand Russel

I read Bertrand Russell a long time ago. Love that cranky old dude.

 

[draztik]

This is great entertainment thanks Anti.

 

[Harry Gypsna]

Aliens and Cults are much too complicated an explanation for the horrible schemes that infest the world's governments.

The people who come into control of large amounts of money and resources spend most of their time trying to make sure they and those they trust continue to control large amounts of money and resources.

Crap about alien races and inner worlds and demons infesting the upper echelons of the freemasons just seems like a bunch of entertaining drivel that is in place to keep you thinking about entertaining drivel and not about taking your money and resources back.

Exactly. There doesn't need to be a big conspiracy, for the wealthy and powerful, to do everything they can to remain wealthy and powerful.
Like George Carlin said, They don't need to have a meeting.

 

[megayields]

(sit's back with more popcorn...lol)

 

[Suspect]

I think it is pretty safe to say this passive-aggressive defending of opinions/beliefs is a product of a scared ego that operates out of fear of destruction, we don't have to self-identify with what we have read/experienced and learned, we are all about to learn the same truths sooner or later.

 

[BushyOldGrower]

What I hope is that they are out there and involved with us. It would be cool if some nice dudes had visited and perhaps influenced us.

It would be nice to have help if from a god or angels or aliens but if not we will need to help ourselves. Don't count on anyone saving the planet other than ourselves because even aliens couldn't make a sane world here without us.

There is really no reason we need aliens or gods because we can accomplish what seems impossible yesterday. Don't think that I don't respect the fine minds working on our problems.

Unfortunately our systems seem inadequate still to manage the numbers of people. We will need many worlds if nobody thinks we should control our population.

Let's get to work on folding space and get on with it. If they sent here then we will go there.

Respect to everyone and all your opinions... BOG

 

[BushyOldGrower]

I meant if they aren't here that we will go find their asses, if they have asses.

 

[gaiusmarius]

i once read that all the worlds population could live in 1 city the size of Texas, populated densely, like in the big cities of today.

 

[Suspect]

And I've heard everyone would fit nicely in Australia, this overpopulation problem smells imo.

 

[Anti]

The problem is not cramming all the people into 1000 sq. ft. each. The problem is the RESOURCES. Those people are going to drive their cars to the market, right? They're going to watch TV and use their hot water heaters, right? Sit around enjoying the AC, right?

Also.. they'll probably want to do things like EAT.

You saw what happened in New Orleans when the hurricane came through. Disrupted supply lines meant the population was unable to feed itself because the natural resources in the area were UNABLE to support the population that lived in the area.

 

[Anti]

and the inca walls with 100, n 200 ton whole bricks that mysteriously just got lifted into place n slot together so perfect theres no need for mortar or any space for even a blade or note to fit in the crack... done with ancient primitive tools that cant even be replicated today with modern tools... n other unbelievable megaliths.... they all point to extraterestrial interactions with the " sky gods"

Much of what you are saying here has already been debunked. You can fit a blade or a piece of paper between MANY of the stones in the pyramids. They *HAVE* replicated the building of the pyramids (on a smaller scale) they CAN chisel the rocks with the same sort of tools that the ancients used and get the same results. They don't have to use modern tools and then still fail at it.

You really should investigate these sorts of claims PRIOR to believing them.

 

[BushyOldGrower]

Even anti and I agree on the one important thing.
Mega cities aren't the answer to over population...

 

[mean mr.mustard]

Imagine how to pump in all of the water and food in such a densely populated area.

Not to mention pumping what it creates away from such a densely populated area.

Consider the ventilation demand that "city" would stipulate.

This planet is already stretched thinly.

Anybody who thinks overpopulation means running out of room to fit people needs to step back and think.

 

[Floridian]

And what of the little chillens has anybody thought about the children?

 

[gaiusmarius]

all i'm saying is that one shouldn't lose perspective. much of the over population thing is just more fear mongering. think about it, if we all fit in Texas, that means the rest of the whole world could be used to produce food, power etc. of course no one wants to live in a Texas sized city, but lets say we use the whole US, we still have a giant amount of space for for sustainable growing of food etc. we don't have a lack of resources, what we have is a concentration of land, wealth and resources in 1% of the worlds population. leaving the rest a bit short admittedly.

when it comes to western population, we are no longer even reproducing enough to keep up present day population numbers. it's only the immigrants that are keeping the numbers from actually dwindling in most western countries. some places now rely on the immigrants paying into the funds for old age, to keep present day pensions being paid.

so while i agree there is a problem, i don't think it will get better by telling people in the west to have even less kids. the only solution is educating the 3rd world countries and letting them raise out of abject poverty, so they also start to see the sense of decreasing family size. we were the same before industrialization, lots of kids ment lots of bread earners and the better the chance at least one of the kids will be there for you in your old age. remember they have no pensions in this time.

anyway i don't want to go too far off topic here, but we should research the actual problem, rather then trusting the the meaning of the label it's given in tv series's and the news.

 

[mean mr.mustard]

People are the problem?

 

[gaiusmarius]

it's much more fun to believe them Anti, believe me i know. the belief in some mysteries still being unexplainable, some how makes one feel better. i'm always kinda dissapointed when i find the earthly, mundane explanation for some of these curiosities. it's more fun and satisfying to think there were aliens helping out the ancients, when actually it's more impressive to think they managed it all with muscle power and brain power.

 

[BushyOldGrower]

What Are the ufos? That's all I really want to find out...

Seeing is believing...you can't just dismiss what you see with your own eyes.

Controlling over population is necessary. It has been in the third world that the problem got out of control so sure it's a lot of immigrants coming to spread out.

A mega city sounds like pure hell to me. I hate cities and the bigger they are the more I hate them. Most people live in cities. A few of us don't and won't ever want to.

Say you had a huge city America with 50 billion rats in the box. That would help?

You would still be burning more fossil fuels to feed them all and the waste would go where?

I guess all problems could be solved but then ask why? Are more people somehow advancing our civilization? Are you for increasing e population of the planet further without solving any problems first?

I don't see why? Couldn't we just agree that uncontrolled population growth is a mistake that will most likely lead to horrible famines, disease and war? It seems easy to see.

 

[gaiusmarius]

what are ufo's is a question all of us would like answered. not just what they are, but who or what exactly is inside controlling them?. i'm still not convinced that they are not just human black ops tech.

concerning the rest, reread my post, i was very specific. never said i think we should live in mega cities like LA the size of Texas. nor did i say we had no problem what so ever with population numbers of the planet, all i said was labeling those problems as simple over population will not help rectify the situation and give people a false impression of the facts. so yeah, certain peoples have overpopulation, mostly in the third world, but we westerners do not really suffer from this problem ourselves. like i said the average western family is not even producing enough kids to maintain present day population numbers of said western society.

whats also quite funny is how people are totally against famines, floods, hurricanes, earth quakes etc, but these things all reduce population. so you need to decide, is humanity evil and needs culling or is humanity noble as a whole and needs to be saved? which is it?

i really think if we stopped letting banks and corporations exploit the third world, they would quickly better their own situations, there by getting educated and building economies that will give them a pension to look forward to in their old age and other things we take for granted. at that point you watch how their populations will stabilize and even go down again with time. it's only cause fucking is the last thing left to enjoy that the poor and down trodden always have the highest birth rates. once things get civilized too many kids are a liability. the trick is to let them do it, stop them getting robbed and looted by the west, with the aid of the next tin pot dictator and most of them will quickly resolve their problems, specially if they were given access to the worlds markets to trade thei goods as equals. but of course that requires such idealism from the leaders of the world as you will never see unless it's forced on them.

wow i'm on a ranting roll today, lol.