Aliens, yay or nay?

[SooperSmurph]

Reminds me of the Mass Effect copout, which itself was probably a lazy remake of a plot from "Star Maker" in which civilizations would reach our level of advancement and then collapse if they could not attain spiritual enlightenment.

 

[Suspect]

Not too far fro mthe truth, heh.

 

[BushyOldGrower]

The alien I had telepathy with did look just like any human but he claimed he was from another planet. No other humans have had telepathy with me like that so I still tend to believe him.

I supposed that they could be from our future but travel back in time seems more unlikely than inter stellar travel really. We do have theories of how we could do it and some stars aren't really that far away.

My thinking is still that they are from other planets and that for some reason they have interacted with us before and now. Star travelers would travel and leave their time zones behind. They would not age as they travel and travel time would be short to them. A day for them might be one hundred light years travel so if they ever went home it would be very different. Space jocks would be a weird lot.

The alien seemed really nice and he didn't want to scare me. It was like an angelic encounter where the angel usually says first not to be afraid. It didn't scare me but it filed my mind with wonder because he said there were a million of em here and that they were here to help us. We were in the Cuban missile crisis at the time and we had a bomb shelter in our basement.

Ufos have been massing with our missiles and I wonder if they were and are prepared to prevent a nuclear war here. Would they disable our missiles and make sure none of the nukes went off. Even with a non interference policy such a thing might need to be prevented as many races may go through this dangerous stage.

I know many of you do have open minds and I appreciate the chance to express my views.

 

[PhenoMenal]

Going back to the Fermi Paradox, when considered mathematically, we probably are the only intelligent life currently residing in our Galaxy

You're not considering the mathematics of distance, or the speed limit that is light

 

[Space Toker]

ah here I am again and yet again I have to leave before reading it. so bumping it in hopes I can find time to come here and read when I am in "the zone"!

 

[SooperSmurph]

You're not considering the mathematics of distance, or the speed limit that is light

No, simply

Cosmologist Alan Guth proposed a multi-verse solution to the Fermi Paradox. In this theory, using the synchronous gauge probability distribution, young universes exceedingly outnumber older ones (by a factor of e1037 for every second of age). Therefore, averaged over all universes, universes with civilizations will almost always have just one, the first to develop.

 

[igrowone]

multi universe's is truly entering the land of the strange
thing is, the mimimal evidence on the subject tends to support the idea
how do you explain the very narrow range that certain physical constants must be in order for this universe to exist?
one is is it was purposefully created, i.e. a god like action
the other is that many universes have been/are being/will be created, and it is chance that a viable universe is created

 

[SooperSmurph]

"viable" itself is a relative term, non-biological life forms may prefer different laws of physics which result in realities where matter is virtually non-existant, "space" consists of energy, etc. I remember reading a book where the ultimate adversaries to the all biological life in the universe turned out to themselves be ascended biologicals who were trying to "restart" the universe via a reversal of entropy and an ultimate big crunch, soas to then attempt to influence the formation of the new universe towards a form that their nearly immortal energy bodies found suitable.

Anyway, you don't have to believe in the multiverse to use that same principle, considering the possible universes which could have existed and inserting them into the formula where multiple universes would sit, the odds then point to our universe fitting the "average" model, hell, it's almost the Copernican average, "no place in the universe is favored", simply shorten it, "no universe is favored".

 

[Cannavore]

Tons of theories. One of the more far out there one is that were inside a black hole and that black holes are just white holes in other universes and that's where all matter and information comes from, which would mean we actually originated from a different universe. I'm really baked right now and can't remember where I heard this one lol, but I thought it was so fantastic to ponder about; I have no idea if its even scientifically valid.



Ah edit - its called the Fecund Universes hypothesis by a theoretical physicist named Lee Smolin

 

[Cannavore]

Trippy ass shit

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkuveFgzFyU&feature=youtube_gdata_player

 

[Hubbleman]

Anyone else pissed off the aliens didnt show up on december 21st last year?

 

[Suspect]

Were they supposed to do that?

 

[Hubbleman]

Yep

 

[Anti]

Aliens... so fucking unreliable.

 

[BushyOldGrower]

They could have arrived but not contacted as yet. I always supposed it would be a scenario where we are on the verge of total war or some huge catastrophe happens and when we realize we really need the help that this would be the time for them to intervene.

Imagine ourselves watching an idiotic world and feeling that we should help them. For whatever reason we might not want to interfere there might be a point where inaction causes an extinction.

Do we own the planet and all the species on it? Even if we do it seems very wrong to destroy a green planet with so many life forms that took so long to evolve.

Are there Beings we have called Gods or Angels? I hope so.

 

[DreamsofTesla]

Bashar on marijuana!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_lqBUqUddo

 

[SooperSmurph]

If we are a unique, lucky, random occurrence that sits alone in creation, that's sad =(

If an entire universe was created in order to spawn us, that's scary considering the results.

If we're one creation among many I supposed that's an excuse for our foibles.

If life is random but plentiful, we better get to evolving.

I want there to be a God but i'd rather our species transcend death without dying.

 

[igrowone]

there was a quite a report from Nasa the other day on the current Kepler findings
some new 'earths', or at least planets where the temperatures look to be in the liquid water zone
they are big planets, larger than earth, but not gas giant size
and this is just the start of our ability to detect such worlds, chances are there are many more
life out there looks a little more probable

 

[BushyOldGrower]

We are not alone...

Not sure if we wouldn't wish we were...we all sure hate being told what to do.

 

[HempKat]

I read a sci-fi novel that attempted to answer the Fermi Paradox with a galactic cataclysm that occured once every 100 million years or so that basically sterilized the galaxy. in the novel, many alien species were working together to construct a device that would prevent future cataclysms. But they knew that they wouldn't have time to finish before the next one. So they were basically building something for future civilizations to find so that those future civilizations would survive the galactic purge.

It WOULD explain why there are no advanced civilizations out there broadcasting anything we can pick up.


(By the time any civilization got advanced enough, a cataclysm would arrive and destroy them. It might take millions of years or more for the next civilization to arise somewhere else.)

But it was just a sci-fi novel.

There's more simple answers for that though, like that our earliest broadcasts have likely not yet reached them so there is no reason for them to think anyone here would receive their broadcast. I saw in one show recently, that claims to be the definitive guide to aliens, that they estimate in the next 20 or so years I think they said, is when we might expect our earliest broadcasts would be able to reach any possible intelligent alien life forms.