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leadsled

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FatherEarth said:
leadsled,

Those rates per gallon still seem high to me. when I first tried AEA I tried that and burnt my plants nearly leafless. Now, I dont use more than 2ml of sea crop per gallon same with the sea stim. seems like you can go pretty hard on the sea shield without problems. Im talking foliar rates..I only apply every 7 days. . I only apply humacarb, rejuv, and tainio products to the soil. When you foliar do not spray so much it drips you want a light mist top and bottom of the leaves thats it. I prefer just lights go out or sunset.

Here is the nozzle I use. It is my favorite for foliar feeding with thorough coverage.
http://www.amazon.com/Dramm-12344-H..._sbs_lg_1?ie=UTF8&refRID=17P8VZF2RVAT0HPTXP6V



I use that nozzle with this wand
http://www.amazon.com/Dramm-Handi-R..._sim_lg_7?ie=UTF8&refRID=099S6W77D7G3M7VWZZDM

This handle

http://www.amazon.com/Dramm-22730-T..._sim_lg_5?ie=UTF8&refRID=1B6WRDDC4HAVBRA4X3NP

This shut off before the handle

http://www.amazon.com/Dramm-12353-H..._sim_lg_2?ie=UTF8&refRID=1B6WRDDC4HAVBRA4X3NP
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I am applying the foliar 1x a week.
Going to try a lower rate today.

Watered the soil with the rejuvenate, pepzyme and spetrum. Let it sit in a in a compost sak for 2 weeks. Sending out to logan labs this upcoming week for testing.

You you (or anyone else)adjusting the Ph or the foliar spray? I am using ro and get a low ph when mixing.

I have the same dramm wand, will have to pick up the nozzle to try for foliar spraying.

You using a shurflo pump to power the wand?
(I remember you using the design from the naked garden aka gardeningrhythms dot com.)

Thanks for sharing FatherEarth! Much appreciated.
 
leadsled

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FatherEarth said:
new bottle of rejuvenate arrived today no spillage or explosion but was expanded to the max. its so rounded out, the bottle wont stand up at all. This time it was the photomag that leaked in the package... Ive been having an issue with the pep c coming from them contaminated. Says in the label that it is sterile and contains no living organisms, but clearly has a large mycelial mass of fungi / bacteria suspended and growing inside of it. I have received 1 out of 4 bottles that was actually sterile and had no mycelium growing in it. Is that packaging on tainio's end or AEA?

I dont think Ill use BA unless they list all of the ingredients. How can we trust them with our crops when they keep secrets from us? If its proprietary fine. File for a patent get your years of no competition but let us know what is exactly in it and in what amounts. Vague descriptions from the BA rep I spoke with made me feel like it was going to be some secret bs sauce. Im sticking with AEA until the colonel tells us whats in the recipe.
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Rejuvenate and sea stim are rounded out for me. I crack them 1x a day to let the pressure out.

I also got the pepzyme C and ended up with growth in it. Was clear when I got it. I used a brand new dropper, only used it on the pepzyme and still got the growth inside.

Wondering if should put some out into a shot glass then draw up with dropper to avoid contaminating the bottle?

What appealed to be with aea is I can "ask the plant" and then apply what is needed.
Some of the claims made by gary about BA/AEA made me wonder cause they seemed far fetched.
Growers are getting 5 to 7 per light instead of 3.
Turns out he is talking per plant not indoor per light. :biggrin:
 
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leadsled

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c-ray thanks for sharing, milkyjoe thanks for the rate suggestion.
Appreciate the the help everyone.

AEA also has a spreadsheet: Tank Recipe Calculator.
There are these notes in the tank recipe calculator spreadsheet that make me have more questions.


foliar spray: 1:20 High EC Products to Solution Ratio Applies
In-Row on Seed Solutions: 50% Water Minimum Rule Applies

Can anyone confirm or deny what this means in laymen/simple terms

Does this mean the foliar rate needs to be high EC?
The 50% rule, over 50% of the ground must be covered with crops.

or does that have to do with irrigation. 1st fertigation is 100% then additional feeding are done at 50% saturation.

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FatherEarth

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My thought is that it could be any sort of fungus/pathogen growing in that bottle. I dont want to spray or add any anaerobic cultured fungi to my soil or leaf surface unless Im aware of what it is. Especially when the bottle says that it should be sterile with no living organisms. I have used it previously but I feel this is unacceptable as it should be how the label states. We are buying spoiled goods at full price. Im not positive its even working. Anyone got some evidence its not cultured walrus piss?
 
leadsled

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FatherEarth said:
yea actually I do adjust the ph from time to time. Based on Tom Hill's advice I shoot for 5.4-5.8 for foliar feeding. I use ascorbic acid (Vitamin C) to adjust the ph. This acid has been documented to be beneficial for plants.

http://world-food.net/influence-of-...wer-under-conditions-of-water-deficit-stress/

http://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/bsc/jac/2008/00000194/00000003/art00005

http://www.researchgate.net/publica...in_Corn_under_Water_Deficit_Stress_Conditions
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How are you powering your sprayer?

Is there a source for bulk absorbic acid for agriculture use?

Or can I pick up vitamin c from the health food store?

Been using citric acid. (ej natural ph down)

Thank you for sharing.
 
leadsled

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FatherEarth said:
yea I get it for about 9$ a lb and its food grade. Ebay.... bio diesel folks... Ive had the same 1lb for over a year .. just now getting low..

I use the pump from that thread..fimco 12 volt 2.1 gallonpm

http://www.fimcoindustries.com/12_volt_high_flo_sprayer_pumps.html
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Excellent. Thanks for sharing!!

FYI, heads up to all. Just to be safe. No offense intended if already aware.

Recently saw an article about GMO's in citric acid. Another source of GMO in food.

Appears same goes for some forms of absorbic acid. ascorbic acid when it is synthesized from corn syrup

I did a search on ebay for gmo free absorbic acid and found some.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/NuSci-Ascor...ary_Supplements_Nutrition&hash=item4d21b91ba2
 
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I don't think the floating masses in pepzyme are any issue for concern. I have had them in most of my recent bottles but the product still preformed just fine. Smell kinda reminds me of kombucha juice, a drink loaded with enzymes. If it smells foul then I would give AEA a call.

Had a bottle of sea stim with fat, white rubbery chunks in it, smelled foul obviously some sort of mold. Took gary's advice and hit a few test plants followed by the whole garden after no issues. They sent me another bottle anyway.

Will I be able to purchase BA through AEA once it goes live?
 
leadsled

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FatherEarth said:
My thought is that it could be any sort of fungus/pathogen growing in that bottle. I dont want to spray or add any anaerobic cultured fungi to my soil or leaf surface unless Im aware of what it is. Especially when the bottle says that it should be sterile with no living organisms. I have used it previously but I feel this is unacceptable as it should be how the label states. We are buying spoiled goods at full price. Im not positive its even working. Anyone got some evidence its not cultured walrus piss?
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I contacted tainio and asked about the growth in pepzyme C.

Stated it is one of there "hot" products are far as being alive with enzymes.

The growth in the bottle normally happens when airborne bacteria contaminant the pepzyme.

the growth inside is not harmful to the enzymes inside.
If concerned about it can filter out using a coffee filter. Ok to just put on the soil.

Can clean the eyedropper with alcohol before drawing out pepzyme to avoid contamination.

Applied to the soil pretty hard to overdose with pepzyme.
As a foliar can be overdone.

They did not design it to be used that way (foliar) but some people are using it in that manner.


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Walrus piss or miracle juice... Sometimes I wonder if I am taking 5 steps forward or 10 steps back. All these bottles, mixing, ph, sap, brix, soil testing...

Do not have any evidence it works.

I do remember reading the information by AEA/john kempf about the secondary processes happening with enzymes and there co-factors. (copy/pasted below)

What was important to me/sold me was how they cited the information given via springer link or studies/ journals etc in there videos. All the AEA videos are now taken down from youtube. I used to use that as a guide to find the studies done. In the videos, when john would make a point. They would show a screenshot of the springer link or whatevery journal or study that John Kempf got the information from.

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Glucose, produced during photosynthesis, is the foundational building block used to build all the rest of the plants compounds, as well as the energy source that fuels cell division and cell expansion. There are obviously many different groups and many different types of compounds within a plants structure, including all types of proteins, carbohydrates, lipids, and plant secondary metabolites.


In the metabolic processes of forming all of these compounds from glucose, many thousands of different enzymes are engaged as catalysts in developing complete compounds. Each enzyme is similar to an end wrench; as a wrench can only fit one size nut or bolt properly, and enzyme can only trigger on specific type of reaction, also like a wrench, it can produce that same reaction over and over again without being used up. These enzymes are key to the entire process of building higher order compounds, which are the foundation of a plants immune system.


In order for these enzymes to function, each of these enzymes requires what is termed an enzyme ‘co-factor’. Without the enzyme cofactors, the enzyme will not be able to perform, complete compounds are not created as needed and plant immunity crashes. These enzyme cofactors are trace mineral keys such as zinc, manganese, copper, iron, molybdenum, selenium, cobalt, nickel, etc. etc. Plant physiologists have identified as many as 58 mineral enzyme cofactors in plants
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Hope all is growing well for you and everyone else!
 
FatherEarth

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I understand how they work, just haven't seen a side by side with and without. That's why I'm asking if anyone can say it works alone ...
 
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So, anybody else use the PM remedy?

The plant I used the Pm remedy on was just barely infected. Few spots here and there, mostly on the middle of the plant. I sprayed twice, 5 days apart and the PM has not gone away, and seems like it is progressing. The plant I am talking about is now harvested and wasn't a big deal, but from my experiment the AEA pm remedy has no effect on cannabis what so ever. I am trying it on my super silver haze right now as well. I noticed ONE spot, treated it, and now have sprayed the AEA remedy once, and I will again in a couple days. If this doesn't work a second time, I am going to say it's ineffective.

With that said I haven't missed a root drench or foliar feeding and the plants still look very healthy. These plants should have a good amount of stored energy, so I don't quite get why the AEA remedy isn't working.

Any others experiences would be great.
 
FatherEarth

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I second that motion. One of your best/better looking outdoor wc d.o.g's that I've seen. You did alright I guess. Lol :tiphat: good one.
 
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