If the solvent test was anything more than a modern witch hunt your sarcasm might be appreciated...
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If the solvent test was anything more than a modern witch hunt your sarcasm might be appreciated...
lol i wasn't being sarcastic. I was honestly saying i might try that as the only way i can get down to <10ppm of all solvents is a 4 day pruge with lots of flipping and as thin as i can get it. most of the time my stuff just has a tad less then 50ppm of pentane.
How is the solvent test a witch hunt? What info do you have to back that. Just to make sure you know, im honestly interested lol.
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I with FE that people tend to spend far too much attention on vac ovens....I'm pleased with the five shelf hydrions and gladly pay the 1500 for em. I hate my AI purely bc the shelving system sucks, who "engineered" that?
While I prefer to support domestic as much as possible, a cascade is low on the upgrade list.
What an extractor can do with ten hydrions compared to one tvo5 makes it hard to justify.......
While I prefer to support domestic as much as possible, a cascade is low on the upgrade list.
What an extractor can do with ten hydrions compared to one tvo5 makes it hard to justify.......
Dab Strudel
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Im trying to get Analitical to create an account and share what they know and have a war of Q&A from both sides. I met a rep today and from what he says they really want to get ahead of the contents of the solvents we use so we know what's in our stuff. They are interested in the MZ12X so if we can chime in on that thread as much as possible to get the ball rolling that would be the chizz.
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1500??? How'd you get that deal?
By buying a lot of em
Pentane?
Now how'd that get in there, don't you distill and filter your butane?
"Do it right the first time."
Yes, I'm being sarcastic. Better than some CO2 guy giving it to you on his blog, huh?
Ya lol sometimes the distill doesn't go perfect but that why i test random samples every week so i know if i need to do another distill and maybe purge an extra day to get down to the <10ppm levels. What i meant by "most of the time" was any time i don't get <10ppm its always that damn last little bit of pentane. Even with distilling at <50F i still get it once and a while if i recover to much. Its a very fine line. I just need to be more wast full with the last bits of butane when i distill, its that damn cheap ass in me. Its still not a perfect technique, it gets better and better everyday lol, 3 years ago it was completely different process then today.
Dab Strudel
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Thanks for the tip, although I wish you commented last night when i was distilling my whip9 and pow5
shit is gross as it is. Didnt smell like tire this time tho... maybe the filter material will...
That's what I think I got through to the guy's at SubZero, "look man, two viewports, a thermal well, sight glasses anywhere you want them...how about slowing the whole distill process on down, until you're getting known clean solvent in one pass, and then describe what's going on for the common dude to know just enough to get the same result, i.e., temps at either end, pressures at pertinent locations, how to know when your down to the end, whether you should maybe dump the rest." Anyway, they claim to be unaware you guys weren't getting single pass distillations here at ICMAG, and now they have been told, please follow through gentlemen, if J.D. is half the fellow dork I think he is I think we got resonance on this.
I make parchment or ptfe sheet sandwiches oil in the middle and roll them out thin with a marble rolling pin. Leave the sandwich together place in the oven. The terpenes seem to remain with the oil more this way. (Some say this is anecdotal but try one without the top layer and compare)The butane present will still come out around the edges when you flip you can push some out, gently with a silicone spatula or your hand. Be careful not to push too much, working those molecules will get wax. Thats why I dont do deep vacs. When to the flipping stage I just use low heat to keep it viscous with zero vac. everytime you break vac you are working the oil in out in out, and itll wax every time. when finished allow to cool for aprox 3 hours before trying to remove the parchment/ptfe, then cure at room temperature or below for up to a week or more for those hard to stabilize varieties . With lots of terpenes present shatter wont happen, it cannot. Has anyone seen or made shatter with 5% terpenes or higher? At 5%+ Im saying its mostly pull and snap, hit 10% and its goo, 20% is live resin runny ... Im done with shatter personally. Its all about terp rich goo IMO, but you have to be able to deliver what the ppl want sooo....If you try everything and it wont set up, get the oven to 120 and put in for 5 min and remove, cool completely on a room temp cooling rack. repeat til it rocks up. You have to sacrifice some terps to get it to shatter sometimes...
...gw and others say they collapse and expand the muffin multiple times and do the same to work out the bubbles. Nucleation is a weird thing...for instance;
I've been getting an auto shatter effect. I scrape, then whip/spread on the quilon. After the initial bubble up it start to turn into shatter at 120F. If I let it get up to 140F it auto budders. Plenty of terps in there, my buddy just told me today it tasted like tropical fruit of some kind and was extremely smooth!
All I'm saying is there's a ton of variables! Most important is the material!
If I rock it hard and high heat I have extremely stable wax by the end of the day. The shatter takes about two solid days to work all the bubbles out and those damn co2 bubbles are a pain but in the end it's straight glass!
Gave a parchment to a friend today and we were folding it up for him, I put it on the heat mat and got it to 90F and when folding the wax was still scoring and creasing, super stable!
I've been getting an auto shatter effect. I scrape, then whip/spread on the quilon. After the initial bubble up it start to turn into shatter at 120F. If I let it get up to 140F it auto budders. Plenty of terps in there, my buddy just told me today it tasted like tropical fruit of some kind and was extremely smooth!
All I'm saying is there's a ton of variables! Most important is the material!
If I rock it hard and high heat I have extremely stable wax by the end of the day. The shatter takes about two solid days to work all the bubbles out and those damn co2 bubbles are a pain but in the end it's straight glass!
Gave a parchment to a friend today and we were folding it up for him, I put it on the heat mat and got it to 90F and when folding the wax was still scoring and creasing, super stable!
It hit me full in the head yesterday how easy it would be to produce a chart/graph showing the temp/vacuum level/duration versus RST results.
Slickest scenario is one of us with a surplus of unpurged BHO and a vac chamber with excellent temp control divides the unpurged BHO into equal sized portions, and purges it every which way, and then hands it off to a cannabis lab for analysis, hopefully a free analysis...done as a contribution to the community.
Gas chromatographs are unreliable for data imo
use a real reputable lab. They'll usually offer a discount if you explain its for r&d
use a real reputable lab. They'll usually offer a discount if you explain its for r&d
LC/MS is the way to go, GC/MS decarbs everything
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