i don't think i understand what you mean here.
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a ppk for a 6 plant limit
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i don't think i understand what you mean here.
twist1uc
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Lets say the veg room has 10 plant modules. Flower A has 5 plant modules and Flower B has 6 plant modules.
I thought you have to set each timer according to the amount of time that it takes to flood the modules. If the rooms have different plant counts, wouldn't they would all flood at different rates?
av8or
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This would be true if you did not use something to regulate flow to each individual ppk site. We all use ball valves on each ppk feed line to restrict flow as to create even distribution of water to each site. That being said, if you get them all pouring the same amount of water over a given amount of time, the only thing left to consider is the strength of your pump. If it's capable (around 100 gph per ppk site) you may be able to achieve a flood to all sites. If you have a smaller pump, you might consider a wave pulse of smaller amounts but more infrequently.
So no, you don't need multiple timers so long as you've placed ball valves in each plant site's feed line
twist1uc
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I believe the problem is solved. Someone PM'd me this: http://www.mistking.com/Digital-Seconds-Timer.html (Thanks a bunch!)
Much cheaper and appears to do what's needed.
Much cheaper and appears to do what's needed.
Doesn't the 8 programmable events count as on/off? So you can only schedule 4 times for the pump to come on.
these plants will be a minimum of 5' in diameter by the end of stretch using your lighting and assuming a 2-4 week veg. which you will need to reach 1-1.5 lbs.
the 10x8 is very tight for growing round plants.
i think the 12x8 with four plants staggered might be better than the x pattern here.
with a 1k directly opposite each plant and 2 600's in the two opposite corners from the end 1k's.
you are proposing 3400 watts in the x pattern and this would be 5200 watts. if you wanted to save juice you could eliminate the 2 600's in the corners and just run the 4 1k's and accept the smaller production from the end plants.
i grew 2-2.5 lb plants using this configuration in a 9' wide room.
i'll see if i can get a drawing up.
I'm not sure about the timer linked, but the Hydro store digital timers or the same "Chicago Electric" timers from harbor freight allow 8 on/offs a day. There are 8 programmable settings, and each setting allows for 1 on and 1 off in 1 minute increments.
Twist1uc...
I personally would just use a pump paired with recycling timer per each flower room.
I think I'd take it one step farther and run an individual pulse rez per room. No really reason not to give yourself this full flexibility & control unless it's about saving the $100 you might have to spend on the additional gear.
The same bulk rez could likely feed each room, but they'd each run off of independent pulse rez & feed equipment to allow for more accurate monitoring of the 2 rooms' uptake.
..or don't sweat the inconsistencies in flow rates too much. So long as your not pumping so quick that you're achieving a full flood and spilling over I'm not so sure it makes a ton of difference if this pot gets a few more ounces vs. the other pot. The media is so free draining while also having the ability to wick up from the lower container.. I could be wrong, but does it really matter that much? If I recall correctly my plants got roughly 1.5L - 2L per site during each feed cycle which occurred every 45-60min. So long as I wasn't overflowing the container it didn't seem to matter if this plant got 1.5L while her sister got 2L.
I understand what you are saying. ok, 12x8, 4 plants staggered, 4 1ks- i'll move the outside plants to the inside as I finish and flip. Time from cutting of clones to flip 60 days. 5x5 vegroom 2 sites 600 mh. Should I go with the 3gal/40qt or the 7/70?
trimming 1-2# every 15-18 days
trimming 4-5# every 15-18 days..... NO THANKS
in general on the pump, timer, plumbing issue it all depends on how you want to control the solution.
i have, in the past, had a single pump on 24 large plants but they were being grown together as a unit. so the nutrient solution requirements were the same for all plants at any given time in their lives.
but with split rooms flowering on different schedules you are better off running a pump and timer for each room so that you can exert more control at different points.
your vegetative room should be on a different pump and timer system also as it will have it's own set of requirements. the clone system on one, too.
they should all have their own pulse reservoirs for these same reasons.
and technically speaking, they should all be on their own bulk or volume tank also.
this type of set up will give you the most control over what you feed and when.
but, this represents a lot of money to accomplish.
when first starting up you may not have the luxury of unlimited funding so you may have to compromise.
so, in this scenario, put one pump on your flower room or rooms if there are more than one. we have av8or running the whole show, veg and flower (perpetual), on one system but he is doing a balancing act and may be compromising growth somewhat. but, it can be done. he is also doing it temporarily, i think.
in this new commercial world quality will rule supreme. so it's time to get all industrial and build in controls.
in my first little shop of horrors i will have two flower rooms and there will be a small clone chamber and a small pre-veg area.
all four of these spaces will be set up with it's own pump and timer, pulse res and bulk res.
i can independently control ec, ph, use additives more specifically, do changeouts or flush as desired.
i have, in the past, had a single pump on 24 large plants but they were being grown together as a unit. so the nutrient solution requirements were the same for all plants at any given time in their lives.
but with split rooms flowering on different schedules you are better off running a pump and timer for each room so that you can exert more control at different points.
your vegetative room should be on a different pump and timer system also as it will have it's own set of requirements. the clone system on one, too.
they should all have their own pulse reservoirs for these same reasons.
and technically speaking, they should all be on their own bulk or volume tank also.
this type of set up will give you the most control over what you feed and when.
but, this represents a lot of money to accomplish.
when first starting up you may not have the luxury of unlimited funding so you may have to compromise.
so, in this scenario, put one pump on your flower room or rooms if there are more than one. we have av8or running the whole show, veg and flower (perpetual), on one system but he is doing a balancing act and may be compromising growth somewhat. but, it can be done. he is also doing it temporarily, i think.
in this new commercial world quality will rule supreme. so it's time to get all industrial and build in controls.
in my first little shop of horrors i will have two flower rooms and there will be a small clone chamber and a small pre-veg area.
all four of these spaces will be set up with it's own pump and timer, pulse res and bulk res.
i can independently control ec, ph, use additives more specifically, do changeouts or flush as desired.
I understand what you are saying. ok, 12x8, 4 plants staggered, 4 1ks- i'll move the outside plants to the inside as I finish and flip. Time from cutting of clones to flip 60 days. 5x5 vegroom 2 sites 600 mh. Should I go with the 3gal/40qt or the 7/70?
trimming 1-2# every 15-18 days
trimming 4-5# every 15-18 days..... NO THANKS
with just 4 plants and that size space i would go with the big ones. since you are perpetual and all plants will not be large at the same time you can grow some big plants.
RamCTD1027
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Ordered the 7gal feed dishes and 70qt muck tubs. Should be here Tuesday so I'm trying to grab all the supplies so I'm ready to build.
What size barbs are everyone using? I found 1/2" and 3/4" at Home Depot but the Goodyear hose has a 5/8" ID.
Once I have that nailed down, I'm ready to go.
Thanks.
What size barbs are everyone using? I found 1/2" and 3/4" at Home Depot but the Goodyear hose has a 5/8" ID.
Once I have that nailed down, I'm ready to go.
Thanks.
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1/2" barbs
RamCTD1027
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Thanks Mrrite
D9,
are you aware of any mainstream stores carrying these parts? looking to downsize and have more plants with shorter veg in each room.
Also, is this pumice stone available in hydro stores? getting harder to source my media as The Padres team own the rights to all sales down here.
are you aware of any mainstream stores carrying these parts? looking to downsize and have more plants with shorter veg in each room.
Also, is this pumice stone available in hydro stores? getting harder to source my media as The Padres team own the rights to all sales down here.
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that was the hydroponic medium from the profile co. they are the manufacturer of turface also. it is the same clay as turface from the same deposit.
i haven't tried it yet but it looks like a larger overall particle size and it has zeolite added to it. should work ok but it's very expensive compared to turface mvp.
the containers are from farm supply stores.
the pumice stone is from garden and landscape stores. i haven't tried it myself yet.
