91'chemdog

[kro-magnon]

ok, i know this is all a shot in the dark and a can o worms most everyone rolls their eyes at... and especially without testing;

but what about Super Silver Haze crossed with a Northern Lights of sorts for the origin of the chems/ diesels?

both SSH and NL can have serious levels of caryophyllene (the most important terp for the chems, imo), and i dunno... something about how they look and i've seen a few people speculate that it at least was NL. todd mccormick talks about how confident he and seattle greg are that NL #2 is the origin of chem, plus the lab results of their NL#1 and og kush almost seem like a lock n key fit (og kush is supposed to be related to chems somehow, right?)... others have said NL is for sure in chems, iirc.

i've seen multiple reports where SSH has been described as spicy, gassy, and skunky... and iirc, it was a nice balanced hybrid high with plenty of headiness (exactly how i'd describe most chems, although the 91 tends to have more body ime, so perhaps more NL influence).

i've ALWAYS thought the chems look like they have some kinda central/ south american influence with this little rounded leaflets poking out of the racemes, and haze is speculated to be heavy (or even fully) on the colombian. i've had some SERIOUS spaced out but chill head highs from central/ sa influenced buds AND from the chem dawgs (tres dawg, stardawg, sour d, etc) that put them up there with my most memorable smokes.

am i WAYYYYYY off here?

i'm not trying to break ground, just fun speculation.

As we are speculating on the possible genetics composing the Chem family, I've always thought there is some Super Skunk in the mix or maybe some Jack Flash, a cross of Jack Herer and Super Skunk, the shape of the Sour Diesel buds is very similar to the buds of Jack Flash, bracts of huge calyxes spiraling around the stem.
I know it's not enough to claim they share some genes but the similarities are hard to ignore and at the time the Chems and Diesels appear the Jack Herrer, Super Skunk and Jack Flash were the champions of the indoor gardens with NL of course and SSH is a sister line of JH if I remember correctly.

 

[goingrey]

ok, i know this is all a shot in the dark and a can o worms most everyone rolls their eyes at... and especially without testing;

but what about Super Silver Haze crossed with a Northern Lights of sorts for the origin of the chems/ diesels?

both SSH and NL can have serious levels of caryophyllene (the most important terp for the chems, imo), and i dunno... something about how they look and i've seen a few people speculate that it at least was NL. todd mccormick talks about how confident he and seattle greg are that NL #2 is the origin of chem, plus the lab results of their NL#1 and og kush almost seem like a lock n key fit (og kush is supposed to be related to chems somehow, right?)... others have said NL is for sure in chems, iirc.

i've seen multiple reports where SSH has been described as spicy, gassy, and skunky... and iirc, it was a nice balanced hybrid high with plenty of headiness (exactly how i'd describe most chems, although the 91 tends to have more body ime, so perhaps more NL influence).

i've ALWAYS thought the chems look like they have some kinda central/ south american influence with this little rounded leaflets poking out of the racemes, and haze is speculated to be heavy (or even fully) on the colombian. i've had some SERIOUS spaced out but chill head highs from central/ sa influenced buds AND from the chem dawgs (tres dawg, stardawg, sour d, etc) that put them up there with my most memorable smokes.

am i WAYYYYYY off here?

i'm not trying to break ground, just fun speculation.

SSH was first available in 1997, as seeds possibly only in 1998. The Chems predate that going back to at least 1991.

 

[nepalnt21]

doh!

 

[exoticrobotic]

The Chems predate that going back to at least 1991.

Are you sure @goingrey

my memory is real fuzzy but i'm trying to think if i can remember reading anything about chem lines at all on any forums but i'm sure it must've been after 2000 then all of a sudden it was on the scene and 'had been' for years.

The story told by a few tight friends, that rat cunt, swerve, pbud (someonebud) who found the seed in a bud at a concert.

then all the chem lines,chem diesel crosses came, then the white, then the bubba pre 98 came and all of a sudden everything else was shite. lol all this stuff happened and it was suddenly cool to add a pre 2000 number to a line.

but i'm pretty sure it was around mid 2000s that it was suddenly around on forums at any rate.

I'm an antisocial git so wouldn't know about the chem line availabilities or anything weed related happening outside of any forums.

 

[goingrey]

Are you sure @goingrey

my memory is real fuzzy but i'm trying to think if i can remember reading anything about chem lines at all on any forums but i'm sure it must've been after 2000 then all of a sudden it was on the scene and 'had been' for years.

The story told by a few tight friends, that rat cunt, swerve, pbud (someonebud) who found the seed in a bud at a concert.

then all the chem lines came, then the white, then all stuff pre 98 was hyped implying anything else was shite. lol all this stuff happened and it was suddenly cool to add a pre 2000 number to a line.

but i'm pretty sure it was around mid 2000s that it was suddenly around on forums at any rate.

I'm an antisocial git so wouldn't know about the chem line availabilities or anything weed related happening outside of any forums.

Well that's the generally accepted story. And I mean the title of this thread starts with 91... But I can neither verify nor deny it.

Here's an interview with the guy, judge for yourself..

 

[exoticrobotic]

Well that's the generally accepted story. And I mean the title of this thread starts with 91... But I can neither verify nor deny it.

me neither

 

[exoticrobotic]

Well that's the generally accepted story. And I mean the title of this thread starts with 91... But I can neither verify nor deny it.

Here's an interview with the guy, judge for yourself..

i have a few chem crosses that i'd like to try but won't cos they came from that rat rez..

i dont even like them being in the fridge tbh

maybe englishrick would want them

 

[nepalnt21]

As we are speculating on the possible genetics composing the Chem family, I've always thought there is some Super Skunk in the mix or maybe some Jack Flash, a cross of Jack Herer and Super Skunk, the shape of the Sour Diesel buds is very similar to the buds of Jack Flash, bracts of huge calyxes spiraling around the stem.
I know it's not enough to claim they share some genes but the similarities are hard to ignore and at the time the Chems and Diesels appear the Jack Herrer, Super Skunk and Jack Flash were the champions of the indoor gardens with NL of course and SSH is a sister line of JH if I remember correctly.

i like your thinking.

the few terp test reports i've seen of jack herer tell me the terps were all over the place (like eucalyptol being the highest, which is out of left field lol) but it seems to have caryophyllene (and humulene) present quite often, even quite high.

one report of jack flash shows high linalo-ol (one i've seen higher up in sour diesel), plenty of limonene and caryophyllene... i could totally buy what you're selling.

the chems are possibly jack flash crossed with northern lights? sounds plausible.

honestly... the more i ponder, the more it loses its mystique haha

 

[goingrey]

Jack Herer also came later, 1995.

How about this one?

 

[nepalnt21]

call me crazy/ stubborn, but i'm married to the idea that yarrrrr, there be some haze in it... a5 or c5 haze, for example, and yes skunk cause there is that skunk smell hidden under the hood. i know a bunch of afghani genetic exhibit skunky smells, but i'm all up in the skunk/ haze train (of thought).

anyway, the chems... the lot of them are my favorites among the modern hybrids... not much i've had can touch em, ime, in terms of those sativa x indica intersecting highs.

laid back relief without the lethargy... and a great head high to boot - AND without anxiety. and even sometimes dense, trippy, long- lasting and colorful adventures... i know many find them blase and tired, but again... i'm stubborn.

thus concludes my caffeine- induced rant.

 

[ojd]

There no A5 or C5 Haze in chem 100% , Skunk I'd say definitely there is in Diesel , that loud Chem/Diesel funk defo relates to Skunk and or Afghan

 

[kro-magnon]

i like your thinking.

the few terp test reports i've seen of jack herer tell me the terps were all over the place (like eucalyptol being the highest, which is out of left field lol) but it seems to have caryophyllene (and humulene) present quite often, even quite high.

one report of jack flash shows high linalo-ol (one i've seen higher up in sour diesel), plenty of limonene and caryophyllene... i could totally buy what you're selling.

the chems are possibly jack flash crossed with northern lights? sounds plausible.

honestly... the more i ponder, the more it loses its mystique haha

I think the Diesel family is related to Jack Flash or a similar Skunk/Haze cross, I don't know about the Chem family. It's interesting the similar terpenes between Diesel and Jack Flash. I'd like to know where the gasoline smell/taste originates, I have seen it appear in a JillyBean grown outdoor in a very rich soil amended by years of cow shit, there is a skunk/haze in the JB ancestors.

 

[exoticrobotic]

in 2002 i grew some white rhino in north london. One of the phenos absolutely stank of gasoline and had a diesely look to the bud structure, larger calyxes, less hair etc.

If you look up medicine man/ white rhino it now says it has 'ancient afghan' in it.

When i got it back then that ancient afghan was said to be Afghan T, present in Maple leaf indica and Ortega.

Maybe that ancient afghan/afghan T is now referred to differently and maybe it is present in the chem/diesel lines.

 

[ojd]

I think the Diesel family is related to Jack Flash or a similar Skunk/Haze cross, I don't know about the Chem family. It's interesting the similar terpenes between Diesel and Jack Flash. I'd like to know where the gasoline smell/taste originates, I have seen it appear in a JillyBean grown outdoor in a very rich soil amended by years of cow shit, there is a skunk/haze in the JB ancestors.

Bro the jackflash was over a decade later , and the jack here was well after the Chemdog family/91.

Diesel comes from the Chem 91 , proven fact.

Many Terps have similar smells , OG Affie and Bubba kush have Haze smells went burnt ( not taste) but that just because all the strains we have directly relate to landraces from the beginning of our canna scene and many many similar terps expressions are found in different strains

 

[ojd]

in 2002 i grew some white rhino in north london. One of the phenos absolutely stank of gasoline and had a diesely look to the bud structure, larger calyxes, less hair etc.

If you look up medicine man/ white rhino it now says it has 'ancient afghan' in it.

When i got it back then that ancient afghan was said to be Afghan T, present in Maple leaf indica and Ortega.

Maybe that ancient afghan/afghan T is now referred to differently and maybe it is present in the chem/diesel lines.

Again White Rhino late 90's was very skunky/Afghan.

Also people's opinions differ on what they think Diesel smells like and most strains in general, we all have different palate and smell/taste and unless you smelled/tasted/smoked the real deal clone( everybody knows)you won't know what the taste smell is , descriptions online get lost in translation etc.

When people refer to Diesel smell 99% are talking about the legendary ECSD and or Original Diesel.

In my opinion ECSD and Original Diesel clones from early 2000's are very skunky, wall pentrating FUNK, as loud as they come and first time ever smoking Diesel reminded me of the early 90's Skunk we had , no name was all just named Skunk when it arrived.

 

[exoticrobotic]

When were the chem diesel lines first available?

 

[ojd]

91 was when the first known/named Chemdog by Chemdog the person was popped from seed and obviously it was around before then as that was a bag seed from weed bought at a Dead show in 91

 

[kro-magnon]

Bro the jackflash was over a decade later , and the jack here was well after the Chemdog family/91.

Diesel comes from the Chem 91 , proven fact.

Many Terps have similar smells , OG Affie and Bubba kush have Haze smells went burnt ( not taste) but that just because all the strains we have directly relate to landraces from the beginning of our canna scene and many many similar terps expressions are found in different strains

You should improve your reading skills I didn't write the Chem came from JH or JF or Skunk/Haze but the Diesel have some in her genetic make-up with the Chem

 

[ojd]

You should improve your reading skills I didn't write the Chem came from JH or JF or Skunk/Haze but the Diesel have some in her genetic make-up with the Chem

Improve your Canna history and reading and understanding

Diesel came from Chemdog and neither have anything to do with Jack here or Jack flash

 

[kro-magnon]

Improve your Canna history and reading and understanding

Diesel came from Chemdog and neither have anything to do with Jack here or Jack flash

Diesel is coming from Chem and something else no one knows exactly what, as you should have read it is speculation not a claim like you are doing without knowing all the facts because no one know for sure.
That's quite pathetic for a guy like you to act so belittling with other members of this forum.