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91'chemdog
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I have some Sowahh from Karma in flower currently, I'm amazed by the similarities I can see between the Chem family and the females I have. The affiliation of both is undeniable when you see them developing flowers in the same way, some leaves are identical on one of my females to a Chem and many little details are shared.
goingrey
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Yea I am growing Dinachem (front) and Sour Ripper (back) next to each other and also took note of the resemblance. As seedlings they were pretty much indistinguishable.
Are you running Co2? What’s your light set up and par numbers? Just curious as it’s my first time running this cut. They are almost week 6 and I’m starting to wonder if I’m not pushing her hard enough. Been taking it easy so as to not repeat my mistakes with gg4 beside her. They look wonderful. I’ll post pics of mine later.
Sure, based on trichs it seems she needs 12 weeks...and at the time of harvest, there were barely any amber heads.
No man, nothing fancy like that haha. Just a combination of COB leds and MH bulb, using only the LEDs would fry the Ch91 much sooner, she already looked like microwaved ffs. What you need to keep her happy is good soil with enough calcium, and if you grow under LEDs than calmag with every watering. And she can eat. What I learned about the cut this time is she prefers low light intensity, however the bracts were most swollen where the leafs were totally consumed. I could keep her green longer but the amount of nutes she would receive is just so weird to me. I also noticed that pure Calcium is not that great to her, or she needs crazy amounts of it. I could use much less amount with calmag. Eventually I let her go for 2 weeks on water only, she looked postapocalyptic but the flowers are very tasty even with no cure.
She does fine outside for me in a soil that targets 87% Calcium. the old fan leaves get that look when they die but the flowers are nice. Calmag is prolly what gives her that shit look indoors, lol.
Oct 7
October 28 - fans getting a little beat
It's hard because you want this to be the grail based on all the stories from whenever but it is kinda weak compared to the Chem D and no where near the gas level of other cuts.
I will run one in the greenhouse this season and see if liquid feeds outside improves the quality.
She’s day 42 here as of yesterday.
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Thanks for the info!
Chem 91 and GG4 looking ok for beginning week 6
I’m running Athena’s pro line in coco @ the recommended 3.0 EC with 900-1000 ppfd under optic 650s with red and white spectrums on. 1500ppm co2. Took blue out at week 4. I went above 1000ppfd for a couple hours 2 days in a row and they didn’t like it so I took it out of the schedule. The Athena pro line doesn’t call for extra cal mag but I’ll ask the rep what he thinks, jungle boys ran chem 91 at scale so they ought to have some industry insider info on it…
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Very nice, any pics from Indoor run?
You are growing those plants outdoors, we are talking about indoor environment which is entirely different thing, especially using LED lights. To grow outdoors is a walk in the park, no calcium / magnesium supplements needed. Just good soil and sun, plants grow by themselves.
If you think calmag is causing those necrotic leafs on chem91, tells me you really dont have much experience growing under LEDs.
The leafs went to complete necrosis after I stopped using calmag, not before..
I have never heard anyone talking about Chem91 as a grail, all the stories came with a reality check, there are strong and weak sides to the cut. It is supposed to be weaker than the D, but is raw potency or gas level intensity all there is to weed? How about quality of high / smell, or potential to breeding? Personally I enjoy the smell of the 91, definitely prefer it to the D garbage death stink and the high of 91 is in league of its own, puts to shame a lot of weed that came through my hands. Its the reason I was interested growing the cut in the first place.
To each their own I guess.
Plants look great man, but 3.0 EC damn, I think I have never went that high. In the end, it is always about what the plants are saying, if they are happy go for it. I was growing GG4 without any cal/mag supplements and she was happy. The 91 though is different animal, you see those yellow spots on leafs on the first pic? Thats the start of it. You will see this developing fast in next few weeks.
Curious about the feedback from jungle boys. Btw, why removing the blue spectrum?
A lot of the modern salt lines run a high EC. I think they are able to do this by limiting micro nutrients and minerals to avoid toxicity while at the same time satisfying a wide array of cultivars with the same recipe. Those that eat less probably would benefit from either a longer flush period or a more thorough initial heavy flush at the beginning of the flush period. This is why Athena developed their fade product for at the end of flower I think. I’m not a biochemist but I speculate that I understand
ha. I’m noticing a little n tox in some strains but it doesn’t seem to be affecting flowers. I read some Bruce bugbee articles and watched some of his videos on how blue negatively impacts yield. It’s good to prevent stretch at the beginning of flower but hinders cell division so removing during bulking helps based on the studies. It is proving effective thus far in my grow. Also, it seems to have virtually no impact on quality without it. Just as blue hinders deep reds accelerate cell division so it’s a two fold(? Not definitely just arbitrarily in my opinion)benefit in the case of having the independent spectrum control.
Does the chem 91 necrosis prevent it from finishing or no? I’d assume cut the leaves off before necrosis works into flower or should i let them remain?
I will contact Athena rep this week. He’s usually quick to respond.
I think it’s good to encourage node spacing on more indica dominant varieties by cutting blue at flip and even turning on red as well depending upon how much/little they stretch.A lot of the modern salt lines run a high EC. I think they are able to do this by limiting micro nutrients and minerals to avoid toxicity while at the same time satisfying a wide array of cultivars with the same recipe. Those that eat less probably would benefit from either a longer flush period or a more thorough initial heavy flush at the beginning of the flush period. This is why Athena developed their fade product for at the end of flower I think. I’m not a biochemist but I speculate that I understand
I read some Bruce bugbee articles and watched some of his videos on how blue negatively impacts yield. It’s good to prevent stretch at the beginning of flower but hinders cell division so removing during bulking helps based on the studies. It is proving effective thus far in my grow. Also, it seems to have virtually no impact on quality without it. Just as blue hinders deep reds accelerate cell division so it’s a two fold(? Not definitely just arbitrarily in my opinion)benefit in the case of having the independent spectrum control.
Does the chem 91 necrosis prevent it from finishing or no? I’d assume cut the leaves off before necrosis works into flower or should i let them remain?
I will contact Athena rep this week. He’s usually quick to respond.
TrifektaSeeds
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It doesn't matter what nutrients or micro or not you put, high ec is high ec, high saline water, no matter the source of the salt, it will burn roots.
The chems are always fat cola monsters, probably the reason for the high feed, they are able to coup with higher ec water
Maybe they even originated at a place that had high salt levels at the beginning who knows
The chems are always fat cola monsters, probably the reason for the high feed, they are able to coup with higher ec water
Maybe they even originated at a place that had high salt levels at the beginning who knows
Athena specs 3.0 EC for everything except clones and finishing/flush, at least that’s the way I understand the feed charts. I wondered if some of the less hungry strains would suffer from higher EC. That makes sense. Input from a chemist’s perspective would be wonderful here. Is there a chemist in the house? Haha
Athena is known for cardboard terps.
Plus, theyre a company selling you chemicals, so its in their business model to convince you to use more so you buy more. Kind of like GH or Nectar For The Gods.
Plus, theyre a company selling you chemicals, so its in their business model to convince you to use more so you buy more. Kind of like GH or Nectar For The Gods.
