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3 weeks in with Aptus shits blowing up around here..
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Nightshifts
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I have been using the believer pack and I gotta say. Only in week 2 but I gotta say I have never had plants this healthy.
The price is a bit ridiculous though.
Thank you for your contributions Jack. Your results combined with what I have seen has made a believer out of me.
Can I get by with just using Fasilitor or is it necessary to use it along with startboost? I used the startboost a couple times and got a LOT of N from it.
Im about to go grab a bottle of fasilitor if the hydro store will give me a better price on it.
The price is a bit ridiculous though.
Thank you for your contributions Jack. Your results combined with what I have seen has made a believer out of me.
Can I get by with just using Fasilitor or is it necessary to use it along with startboost? I used the startboost a couple times and got a LOT of N from it.
Im about to go grab a bottle of fasilitor if the hydro store will give me a better price on it.
Nightshifts
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I just bit the bullet. Hopefully like a good boomerang it will return to me.
i had a problem for a few grows the problem is that after week 8 in flower the mature plants start again to grow white hairs and become immature what should i do so it will not happen again ? all the buds fluffy and look like outdoor is it because the co2 ?
* do u shut off the co2 during anytime of the grow may be in the last two weeks ?
* how do u choose your a/c what is your proportion per light and room size ?
thx.
* do u shut off the co2 during anytime of the grow may be in the last two weeks ?
* how do u choose your a/c what is your proportion per light and room size ?
thx.
Sounds like the co2 was on during the last 2 weeks
If you leave the co2 off during the last couple weeks that should solve your problem unless you have some sort of light leak that presented itself later in flower. The Same thing happened to me my first few runs I did with co2.
Remember The co2 makes the plants metabolize faster so they mature faster. They very well could have been done a week ago but you just didn't know it..
EDIT: like Jack said lower the co2 levels dont turn the generator off. If you do that the plants will suffocate.
If you leave the co2 off during the last couple weeks that should solve your problem unless you have some sort of light leak that presented itself later in flower. The Same thing happened to me my first few runs I did with co2.
Remember The co2 makes the plants metabolize faster so they mature faster. They very well could have been done a week ago but you just didn't know it..
EDIT: like Jack said lower the co2 levels dont turn the generator off. If you do that the plants will suffocate.
slausongardens
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ok so i run a no till soil mix. just water and teas.
i know aptus is organic so my question is this. since my plants get there food from the soil and not nutes i wonder if i can just run the aptus lineup without a base nute, just the additives. like the base nutes would be the soil and the aptus lineup can help boost everything else.
i wonder how well that would work.
i know aptus is organic so my question is this. since my plants get there food from the soil and not nutes i wonder if i can just run the aptus lineup without a base nute, just the additives. like the base nutes would be the soil and the aptus lineup can help boost everything else.
i wonder how well that would work.
I don't think APTUS is 100% organic. It is a mix of organics and mineral from what I read in there website. Like for instance, they have a N-boost which is organic, but the P-boost is organo-mineral etc...
U can read it about it here:
APTUS-HOLLAND
U can read it about it here:
APTUS-HOLLAND
slausongardens
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yeah thats how most bottled organic nutes are. none are 100% organic. just prganic based. if you wanna be 100% organic gotta make your own soil and do water and tea. no bottled nutes. even if theyre omri listed and all that blah blah
In veg we do in the coco room but flower it is pointless to run Aptus if you do not follow the exact feed chart and do not add anything else.
If it was me I would run there line and follow there exact chart. And Start boost will blow your roots out its good stuff..
CO2 is peaked first 3 weeks when temps are 85 degrees plus and 60 to 65 %RH then the temps are slowly lowered to 79 to 80 degrees along with the co2 last 2 weeks co2 at 300 to 500 ppm
I have found that the reason Aptus does so good in coco is beacuse in coco the Aptus feed chart is spot on in soil its a little different well alot if your already running a hot soil I would do a very low nute regamine / base nutes maybe none at all and hit them with the boosters once a week .. In soil there are limits you can only push the plants so hard. I run the exact strains the exact Aptus chart one is soil one is coco the coco is always bigger and frostier .The quality is almost the same but the coco room yields double the soil room. Before Aptus we would always have to feed high ppms of cal mag with Aptus the only time we give it in flower is week 3-5-7 following the Aptus feed chart.JACK
Nightshifts
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My normal calmag whore has only needed mag once which is odd. I have been growing this Blueberry Kush strain for 3 years and everytime it loves mag. Also I usually have a lot more red stems on her and I have not had to feed much at all. The fasilitor seems to be doing its job at making existing nutrients more available. My plants look like they wanna grab the reflectors and pull them down with their leaves. Vicious.
Nightshifts
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I am noticing a bit of clawing on the leaves on some of my plants. (too much nitrogen) Not a big deal. But I was wondering if this could be because of using the Fasilitor. I read how molybdenum moves N from the bottom to the top of the plant. Anyone have any educated guesses as to what is going on. Oh ya, I have not even fed yet. Benefecials and tea only.
slausongardens
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coco really does produce, if i was just in it for the money i would be running coco or under current or both.
but someting about organic soil just makes the whole situation feel better. it keeps me interested i love everything about how the organic soils work.. and the quality of the buds that come out.
but i know the coco produces monster yields of some outstanding looking buds.
thanks jack for showing us all how perfect grows look. it is possible. youre in a class of your own.
jack, much respect! Been watching you for a while over at the other place...not to hijack, just gotta respond to somma these guys...
My chemist buddy doesn't make drugs, he consults for mega-warehouse grows, 300-500 lights, and he makes his own nutes.
I wasn't digging negatively on anyone here or anyone using Aptus. I was just trying to provide some insight as to how it works. I never said "Don't buy aptus, its crap". In fact, I actually do believe it works. If you read every bottle and its ingredients, you can find scholarly articles with research where X% of Y compound used at Z time will increase: yield, vigor, etc. etc. The science is all out there.
I think Aptus really has something. They are providing the right stuff at the right time. However I don't think its from some esoteric "magic" that isn't listed on the contents of the bottle. I've been to damn near every grow expo between California and Colorado in the last 3 years. I've talked to most of those reps. 90+% of those guys are totally full of crap and are passed down a "spiel" from their boss. Some are humble enough to tell you they aren't the chemist, and pass you off an email address to get your questions answered. Some guys get defensive and say they have "trade secrets". Just because he talked to you for hours doesn't mean he has any idea what he is talking about. The chemistry that I speak of is the same chemistry in those bottles. The research is out there, nothing super insane special secret stuff in those bottles. The price is justified not by the ingredients, but by the proper instruction on when and how to use them, as well as the target consumer ($growers$).
So pardon me if I am just trying to explain how and why it works. And some of us may venture into studying it and finding cheaper alternatives for similar results.
I actually have another buddy that runs a big warehouse that told me it works! Rock on everybody!
http://aptus-usa.com/fasilitor.php
Silicic acid and Potassium Silicate all breaks down to Si+ when its taken up by the plant. Silicic acid is more available in a soil environment than Potassium Silicate, but the effect on the plant is the same. Just a higher quality and more available source of Si for the plants.
Boron and Molybdenum are trace minerals required by plants. The recent market in base nutrients has left out a lot of these trace minerals, or diminished them, and has more focused on calcium, magnesium, and iron. So trace amounts will certainly help most people's base nutrients.
I have buddies that consistently hit 2lbs+, and all they uses is PBP and no additives.
Coco rocks! Coco based organic soil is fun, but straight coco can compete in both quality and yield. Run straight coco with low EC quality hydro nutes. I stay below 1.2-1.4 EC, run weekly compost teas, occasional guanos. Don't go nuts on boosters. Most of the boosters that I use are all organic. Otherwise, keep an even keel on the feeding, not too much of any one thing. Coco grabs everything, so the idea is to go easy on it. You can even grow in straight coco with fully organic nutes, like Age Old, Roots, Earth Juice, or General Organics. Since coco holds everything, you are technically "building" a soil in the coco pot while you are feeding. But like anything, just takes a little dialing in.
My chemist buddy doesn't make drugs, he consults for mega-warehouse grows, 300-500 lights, and he makes his own nutes.
I wasn't digging negatively on anyone here or anyone using Aptus. I was just trying to provide some insight as to how it works. I never said "Don't buy aptus, its crap". In fact, I actually do believe it works. If you read every bottle and its ingredients, you can find scholarly articles with research where X% of Y compound used at Z time will increase: yield, vigor, etc. etc. The science is all out there.
I think Aptus really has something. They are providing the right stuff at the right time. However I don't think its from some esoteric "magic" that isn't listed on the contents of the bottle. I've been to damn near every grow expo between California and Colorado in the last 3 years. I've talked to most of those reps. 90+% of those guys are totally full of crap and are passed down a "spiel" from their boss. Some are humble enough to tell you they aren't the chemist, and pass you off an email address to get your questions answered. Some guys get defensive and say they have "trade secrets". Just because he talked to you for hours doesn't mean he has any idea what he is talking about. The chemistry that I speak of is the same chemistry in those bottles. The research is out there, nothing super insane special secret stuff in those bottles. The price is justified not by the ingredients, but by the proper instruction on when and how to use them, as well as the target consumer ($growers$).
So pardon me if I am just trying to explain how and why it works. And some of us may venture into studying it and finding cheaper alternatives for similar results.
I actually have another buddy that runs a big warehouse that told me it works! Rock on everybody!
http://aptus-usa.com/fasilitor.php
Silicic acid and Potassium Silicate all breaks down to Si+ when its taken up by the plant. Silicic acid is more available in a soil environment than Potassium Silicate, but the effect on the plant is the same. Just a higher quality and more available source of Si for the plants.
Boron and Molybdenum are trace minerals required by plants. The recent market in base nutrients has left out a lot of these trace minerals, or diminished them, and has more focused on calcium, magnesium, and iron. So trace amounts will certainly help most people's base nutrients.
I have buddies that consistently hit 2lbs+, and all they uses is PBP and no additives.
Coco rocks! Coco based organic soil is fun, but straight coco can compete in both quality and yield. Run straight coco with low EC quality hydro nutes. I stay below 1.2-1.4 EC, run weekly compost teas, occasional guanos. Don't go nuts on boosters. Most of the boosters that I use are all organic. Otherwise, keep an even keel on the feeding, not too much of any one thing. Coco grabs everything, so the idea is to go easy on it. You can even grow in straight coco with fully organic nutes, like Age Old, Roots, Earth Juice, or General Organics. Since coco holds everything, you are technically "building" a soil in the coco pot while you are feeding. But like anything, just takes a little dialing in.
Starting week 6 Aptus plus Cana Coco base nutes with pure Cana Coco..Wifi 37-Wifi-94- Chem-McFly, Last run with these Wifi cuts they where really good but we found special..
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Simply beautiful JACK...
You've helped better my grow for a while now and just decided to jump on board, I've done my best to just read through the thread and not bug you with any more questions then you've already had to deal with... but I'm sure I'll have a couple eventually, hahaha
MANY thanks and MUCH respect!
You've helped better my grow for a while now and just decided to jump on board, I've done my best to just read through the thread and not bug you with any more questions then you've already had to deal with... but I'm sure I'll have a couple eventually, hahaha
MANY thanks and MUCH respect!
You got such a sexy room, Jack. Love it.
Damn Jack, looking sick ! And this is far from speculation here ! So if it's that easy and cheap to make ur own aptus why are U guys waiting ? Can't ya see the result ? Don't pictures worth a thousand words ?
