3 weeks in with Aptus shits blowing up around here..

[Dorky]

jack did double dosing the fascilatator in week 2 of flower help slow the stretch at all?

thanks for all the great info in this thread also!!

double dose the fascilatator will not stop or slow stretch at all but....will make em bush out better

 

[gogeter]

So the 2 weeks of veg your using HPS bulbs? I was also wondering how much space is there between the tops of the plants and the trellis on day 1 of flower?.. Thanks for all the help

 

[jackmayoffer]

I think they're called tray liners. I'm thinking of switching from 40 5.25 inch pots to those tray liners. God forbid if anything were to happen but the popos would prob think it's just one big plant. They prob wouldn't know there's a bunch in one big pot.....or so that's my theory, but hey we all gotta sleep at night!

Jack: What I'm wondering is what your drip manifolds look like? Mine come into the tray and do a 90 degree bend to run right on top of the tray. I put my pots in the trays and just pop the drippers in. If I were to use the tray liners Im Sure I could modify it somewhat to work but figured you had already figured out the best way to do it. If I don't modify The manifold it won't work because the tray liner would sit right on Top of my manfold and the drippers. Any suggestions?

My Irragation set up is on page 10 post#147

We used to use the 4x4 smart pot liners until we found these from Geo planter.
http://shop.geoplanter.com/96L-x-48W-x-10D-GeoPlanter-GEO170GAL.htm
It is a 4x8 tray liner and we put them directly into a 4x8 botanicare tray. Trellis and pvc fittings comes with and the pvc that supports it goes into pre-sewn sleeves in the tray so it holds itself up. The fabric is thicker and more durable than the smart pot liners as well. We thought the smart pot liners started to get flimsy and a bit thin after a couple uses. We hand water so the higher sides help keep the dirt and water in when watering and its also a bit cleaner when we change out media and pull roots out.
They make custom sizes too, we had some old wood tables made to fit a room where standard trays wouldn't fit and they custom made them to fit for roughly the same price.

those are nice tripple the price of a smart pot liners and they do not fit the existing trays If I was building a new room I might give them a second look thanks.

This thread has been a great read. I quoted this post because I think it sums things up nicely. This site has some of the cheapest sob's in the world. I was reading a thread about H&G drip clean. Several comments about what a ripoff it is, how its just padding H&G's pockets.
Made for suckers.
At the same time my 3k grow requires $4-$6 worth of the stuff per harvest. Less than 10 cents a day. Yet this will outrage them so much, they will rant on about the company....and anyone that does use it, is either a moron wasting their money, or of course works for the company.

Aptus website doesn't get too specific about application rates, but their calculator indicates daily use. Now you are recommending only once or twice a week. But still accused of having some evil motivations for sharing your results with us.

If I go for twice a week application for my setup, would be about $200 for the aptus line, less about $100 of H&G nutes I am using now with their base. An extra $100 for a 3k grow. How will I survive?

Yes I fully Agree..

jack did double dosing the fascilatator in week 2 of flower help slow the stretch at all?

thanks for all the great info in this thread also!!

NO but it does make them branch out and bush like crazy same as above...

So the 2 weeks of veg your using HPS bulbs? I was also wondering how much space is there between the tops of the plants and the trellis on day 1 of flower?.. Thanks for all the help

Yes the flower room is HPS only the trellis is placed rite above the plant with a 2 week veg a foot to two feet is usally perfect it depends on pheno and stretch but I like to slam the screen rite on top of them rite when we flip.and dont let them go above the screen the first 3 weeks requires training every single day. And if they get above the trellis you have to choke a bitch out...

 

[jackmayoffer]

This shit rite here is like an ice cold Corona with a lime squeezed..Makes my nose twinkel.. This is the Fire OG that made all the White Fire Crosses..Many imposters but this is the real deal..

 

[LAMBS-BREAD]

Kiiler dank jack ! Looks amazing as usual. Producing such dank in such quantities is a art

 

[Honey Boo Boo]

What stuns me the most is the size of your colas so early on. That first pic of the Fire Og Is ridiculous for week 5. 4 more weeks to go on Fire OG and it already looks like that? It's just crazy.
I think you mentioned before, but are you pre-charging the soil w tea as well? I know you pre-charge the coco w nutes and enzymes. Are you mixing CAPS Nute pack into the coco or making it into a tea like the root and foliar?
Thanks again.
I've never had my rooms look as healthy as they do, so vigorous, healthy and even growth. Thanks for turning me on to Aptus and CAPS, just wish I wouldn't have waited so long.

 

[midwestdensies]

You have plenty of rooms and run many lights with perfect rooms, do you ever prefer a certain bub for spectrum or increased intensity? Glad to find your threads over here. MWD

 

[Space Case]

My buddy is a chemist and is studying the Aptus line. Seems like the trick is in the Mass Boost (I think thats what its called). You alternate weeks that you use it on their schedule. It contains a different ratio of small amounts of CalMag. My buddy says that alternating feeding and starving the magnesium nitrate in small amounts causes a hormonal stress response at the cellular level that can lead to the plant pushing out more flowers. We are trying to replicate the results using pure dry mag nitrate and cal nitrate.

The rest of the Aptus line contains things that can be otherwise bought cheaper. The Facilitator for example, only contains Potassium Silicate and Boric Acid (Boron), both of which can be purchased as raw ferts very inexpensively at Ag supply stores. Pretty sure they also bottle up the monopotassium phosphates and phosphites! Monopotassium Phosphite is another interesting one! It provides zero available elemental phosphorus, only potassium. However, the phosphites also trigger a hormonal response. The plant is tricked into thinking it has an unlimited source of phosphorus and will continue building flowers on top of flowers, and will not slow down even as it depletes all of its own P. This is why you want to use phosphites in combination with bloom boosters.

I have to study a little more to take apart the rest of the bottles and what they do....

 

[Mister_D]

My buddy is a chemist and is studying the Aptus line. Seems like the trick is in the Mass Boost (I think thats what its called). You alternate weeks that you use it on their schedule. It contains a different ratio of small amounts of CalMag. My buddy says that alternating feeding and starving the magnesium nitrate in small amounts causes a hormonal stress response at the cellular level that can lead to the plant pushing out more flowers. We are trying to replicate the results using pure dry mag nitrate and cal nitrate.

The rest of the Aptus line contains things that can be otherwise bought cheaper. The Facilitator for example, only contains Potassium Silicate and Boric Acid (Boron), both of which can be purchased as raw ferts very inexpensively at Ag supply stores. Pretty sure they also bottle up the monopotassium phosphates and phosphites! Monopotassium Phosphite is another interesting one! It provides zero available elemental phosphorus, only potassium. However, the phosphites also trigger a hormonal response. The plant is tricked into thinking it has an unlimited source of phosphorus and will continue building flowers on top of flowers, and will not slow down even as it depletes all of its own P. This is why you want to use phosphites in combination with bloom boosters.

I have to study a little more to take apart the rest of the bottles and what they do....

Interesting stuff. Keep us updated

 

[Dutch touch]

My buddy is a chemist and is studying the Aptus line. Seems like the trick is in the Mass Boost (I think thats what its called). You alternate weeks that you use it on their schedule. It contains a different ratio of small amounts of CalMag. My buddy says that alternating feeding and starving the magnesium nitrate in small amounts causes a hormonal stress response at the cellular level that can lead to the plant pushing out more flowers. We are trying to replicate the results using pure dry mag nitrate and cal nitrate.

The rest of the Aptus line contains things that can be otherwise bought cheaper. The Facilitator for example, only contains Potassium Silicate and Boric Acid (Boron), both of which can be purchased as raw ferts very inexpensively at Ag supply stores. Pretty sure they also bottle up the monopotassium phosphates and phosphites! Monopotassium Phosphite is another interesting one! It provides zero available elemental phosphorus, only potassium. However, the phosphites also trigger a hormonal response. The plant is tricked into thinking it has an unlimited source of phosphorus and will continue building flowers on top of flowers, and will not slow down even as it depletes all of its own P. This is why you want to use phosphites in combination with bloom boosters.

I have to study a little more to take apart the rest of the bottles and what they do....

If Aptus is making Fasilitor with potassium silicate and boric acid and charging $3k for a 5L of the shit then why the hell isn't every other nutrient company pumping this shit out?????

I spent 45 mins at the show in San Fran speaking with the developer solely about Fasilitor and its far more complexed than what the label claim


If it was that simple everyone would be doing it!

No disrespect but tell your chemist buddy to stick to making drugs!

 

[jackmayoffer]

Gave Cana Coco a try as base with Aptus and once again Heavy 16 blew it away the plants never had that first 3 weeks of explosive growth that we get with Heavy quality is there just not 2.5 plus a light .I don't know what it is but the Heavy 16 and Aptus combo is the ticket that combo crushes every thing. On top of it we had to use twice as much cana to get our ppms to the same level as heavy16. Im sticking to what works!!

 

[tocksick]

what are your ppm's of the heavy 16?

 

[unitedgrooves]

sup Jack.. Great work as usual bro.. Its crazy how fast your shit stacks.. Were those fire og's using sea green & aptus?

 

[LAMBS-BREAD]

Hey Jack, do that heavy + aptus combo, gives u the best result in dirt too ? And is that heavy 16 a organic line ?

 

[NorCal]

I'm actually gonna finish up these bottles of h&g and canna base and then will prob be ordering some heavy 16 to do a run with it. The canna does seem alot less concentrated than many other bases. I go through canna quick! How's the ph with the heavy??

Do you use the fire additive as well? I think at first I'm just gonna switch my base and then mess with the rest of the additives From there. I've never really had a problem with quality but I've also never hit 2+ per light. Now that I just spent a bunch of money and dialed in and sealed one of my rooms I'm def gonna be looking to kill it in there. Thanks for your input Jack.

 

[jackmayoffer]

If Aptus is making Fasilitor with potassium silicate and boric acid and charging $3k for a 5L of the shit then why the hell isn't every other nutrient company pumping this shit out?????

I spent 45 mins at the show in San Fran speaking with the developer solely about Fasilitor and its far more complexed than what the label claim


If it was that simple everyone would be doing it!

No disrespect but tell your chemist buddy to stick to making drugs!

Funny Shit

what are your ppm's of the heavy 16?

I have been asked this many of times there is no set ppm every stain is different some like high some like low but less is always better. Im usally around 800 in veg and 1000 in flower but will also give a 250 to 350 ppm at certain times just depends on plant size, Veg time growth rates. etc...

sup Jack.. Great work as usual bro.. Its crazy how fast your shit stacks.. Were those fire og's using sea green & aptus?

Those had the full Aptus line with Heavy 16 no sea grren that run.

Hey Jack, do that heavy + aptus combo, gives u the best result in dirt too ? And is that heavy 16 a organic line ?

Either Heavy or Advance Sensi for chem in soil . For Organic Bio Bizz works great with Aptus.

I'm actually gonna finish up these bottles of h&g and canna base and then will prob be ordering some heavy 16 to do a run with it. The canna does seem alot less concentrated than many other bases. I go through canna quick! How's the ph with the heavy??

Do you use the fire additive as well? I think at first I'm just gonna switch my base and then mess with the rest of the additives From there. I've never really had a problem with quality but I've also never hit 2+ per light. Now that I just spent a bunch of money and dialed in and sealed one of my rooms I'm def gonna be looking to kill it in there. Thanks for your input Jack.

I never add anything but base with Aptus. So no on the Heavy 16 Fire. And Ph is stabel with Heavy but then again I alway mix my nutes and feed rite away.. JACK

 

[Trend]

Finally,a grow worth looking at online. Have to say jack that is one of the best shows I seen in years hats off to you. To do it back to back in different rooms is the real magic. I can't believe some of the posts on here about why you "spray your walls with tea" and "a plant can't induce budset in the first week those pics must be fake" priceless... anyway it's nice to actually learn some new ideas and techniques with proof to go with it for a change. Think I'll give this a shot this batch if I can get my hands on the heavy in time. Seems to be a unicorn nutrient in these parts. One question for you though, you ever decide how you prefer your coco? Chow, Perlite cut or straight out the bag? This is something I have still never settled on.

Keep on Killin it and hurtin feelings. Appreciate the thread.

 

[advanced396]

Jack
In veg or Bloom on your base days are you adding CalPlex? Or are you just adding MassBoost just in bloom like the Aptus chart recommends?

 

[VagPuncher]

Was texting the Aptus crew this morning. They're very excited about getting the product in to Canada as soon as possible.

 

[Sensip]

I'm sure you've answered this before but I can't find it so if you don't mind, about how many days from when you take your clones to the day you put them into beds? Thanks man happy holidays.