2024 US Presidential Election

[armedoldhippy]

no, 9-11 killed people and destroyed buildings. nowhere near as much damage to the nation as destruction of our political institutions, however flawed they might seem.

 

[GOT_BUD?]

Yeah, it’d be like 9 9-11s…

 

[Zeez]

no, 9-11 killed people and destroyed buildings. nowhere near as much damage to the nation as destruction of our political institutions, however flawed they might seem.

The constitution would be toast and dictatorship would begin immediately. Preparation for the dictatorship has begun and is already in place right now. Look at the Republican Party. Most know that following along and keeping quiet is going against what is right. Not one of them is willing to speak truth and step out of line because they live in fear. Bomb threats on judges, attacking the Speaker's husband with a hammer, Thuggery attacking the Capitol 1/6, It is all there right now. The Republican Party closely resembles governmental minions in North Korea and Russia right now.

Think about it.

 

[armedoldhippy]

Think about it.

no need to think. it is obvious on the face of it if anyone looks...the US looks so much like Germany in the 30s these days. not economically, but politically...

 

[Zeez]

It's true, but many Chumplicans do not see it. Many Germans did not like it but they were afraid to go against it or step out of line. People see Chumps thugs working people over in Washington, New York and Florida and think it will not affect them. They don't know that they could be next. I have family in Europe who were in the underground and have heard these stories first person.

 

[Cannavore]

well, comrade, i think you have failed to realize that no one is even remotely interested in courting your vote.

damn i must have fell asleep in 2016 and 2020 when I saw Bernie Sanders courting leftists and non voters and the Democrats and Republicans being so scared they rigged the outcome against him.

there are not enough of you to make any difference whatsoever.

schroedingers leftist. simultaneously not enough to make a difference but also relentlessly voter shamed for not falling in line because 'democracy is on the ballot' etc lol.

and, anyone who identifies with you before the election is shooting themselves in the foot right before they try to win a marathon. the right foot, as it were.

Under 45 age demographic plus support for policies on an individual basis say otherwise.

the idea that capitalism is dying in front of our eyes in real time is ludicrous.

fascism arises in times of capitalist upheaval. you can't say shit is going fine while also acknowledging theres a global fascist movement gaining momentum lol.

if fact, capitalism is actively recruiting participants from all over the world. capitalism is why 2 million people a year from third-world countries want to live in the US. Capitalism is a pathway to getting out of poverty.

so capitalism creates refugees and migrants because the west robs those countries blind of their natural resources and doesn't allow them to prosper so we can buy a new iPhone every year with cobalt and lithium from the congo slave mines, and you're using that as a positive hahaha.

you, in your lifetime, will never see a directional flow reversal of people voluntarily abandoning capitalism.

it might lose enough favor to die out sometime in a few hundred years or so but don't hold your breath!

i'm acutely aware of this, which is why i would accept social democracy as a compromise but the US is so far right that even this isn't in the cards. instead the democratic party is running to the right and courting republicans like yourself lol. which is why im not a democrat and will never vote for one. they are moderate republicans at best.

i just saw that approx 31,000 Chinese nationals entered the US illegally last year. they are paying up to 20,000 dollars US each just to get transported here. the ones that have been interviewed are saying that they are coming for economic reasons. they want a better life.

ok. china sucks.

the myth of the "rotting" West is not catching on too well. perhaps people would rather rot here than rot somewhere else. at least here they can be comfortable and eat while they rot.

again how can this be true when you literally have a fascist running for president right now lol

 

[Cannavore]

Some are hoping for appointments , but all are afraid of the bullies giving them the Pelosi treatment with some nut job breaking into their house and attacking them with a hammer. This fear is prominent with those going along with the big lie.

It won't be over until all the animals get put in cages and we can resume being a civilized society.

not going to happen until democrats take some time to do some self reflection and understand why this is all happening to begin with, and it will keep happening until they do. you can't just abandon the working class and leave them in the dark for decades while continuing to move the party to the right to court these ficticious republicans who you think will side with you in the longterm (studies show the opposite) without serious repercussion. democrats aren't innocent here.

reform the parties (w/ a gallows lol) or end the two party system. it's holding the country hostage at this point.

 

[Zeez]

you can't just abandon the working class and leave them in the dark for decades while continuing to move the party to the right

You've got it backwards. Dems are supported by union people, people for equality, and strong social benefits like education and medicare for all.

Republicans, like Chump are all about the rich. That's why Chump increased the national debt by 25% giving tax breaks to the rich. Ronald Rayguns was the worst because he basically eliminated taxation of the rich.

Republicans think they don't need to do anything for working people because the rich can buy anything including propaganda to feed dummies and get votes.

How can you spend so much time here and be so far off ?

 

[trichrider]

did you get a special reward from NPR for parroting their Orange Man Bad propaganda? where's the yellow condiment now?

“One United Criminal Group Exists – This Group is Biden, Blinken, and Nuland” – Andrii Derkach Who Broke the Biden-Burisma Story – Sits for FIRST INTERVIEW in Two Years with Simone Mangiante​

worth your time unless your open mindedness has closed doors for the season.

 

[greyfader]

Socialists and most leftists are not communists, mr cannavore.

Communist Party USA
Membership (2023 est. )	5,000
Ideology	Communism Marxism–Leninism Bill of Rights socialism
Political position	Far-left

 

[greyfader]

and here's one for you, trichy!

 

[Zeez]

How do the few (the rich) control the many?

It's simple. Feed them bullshit (the weekly Trichy pack) and keep them in the dark.

 

[Cannavore]

You've got it backwards. Dems are supported by union people,

dems are supported by union leadership* big difference. but in reality where else are they supposed to go anyways. you've got one party that pretends to support unions, and another that won't at all. and even that's up in the air. plenty of union boomers vote red. but if you gave them a chance to vote for a new FDR i guarantee they'd vote blue.

democrats also supported all free trade agreements, etc that have helped gut and neuter unions. republicans killed unions and dems did nothing because neoliberals are anti union

remember when biden killed the rail strike? fun times lol. super pro union though lol.

and strong social benefits like education and medicare for all.

benefits have been steadily cut under this neoliberal era of capitalism. and you know damn well the democrats don't support m4a gimme a break.

Republicans, like Chump are all about the rich.

so are the democrats because they have the same capitalist donor class. democrats are just smarter and more incrementalist with it because their voters are college educated. make it too obvious and they give away the game.

That's why Chump increased the national debt by 25% giving tax breaks to the rich. Ronald Rayguns was the worst because he basically eliminated taxation of the rich.

and the democrats keep going along with it. notice how every time a republican president lowers the top income tax rates, the democrats will raise it back up, but never back to the previous number. again we're talking neoliberal incrementalism vs fascist reactionary politics here.

Republicans think they don't need to do anything for working people because the rich can buy anything including propaganda to feed dummies and get votes.

i feel the same way about the democrats but feel its more insidious with them because i know where the gop stands, but the dnc will lie to your face telling you they support the working class.

How can you spend so much time here and be so far off ?

 

[Cannavore]

Utterly disgusting optics here.

Chants for a ceasefire (PEACE) was met with sycophants drowning out the call with "4 more years (of Biden)".

 

[Brother Nature]

Ah, that must have been where my subconscious pulled it from, I knew it sounded South Parkish...

 

[Zeez]

dems are supported by union leadership* big difference. but in reality where else are they supposed to go anyways. you've got one party that pretends to support unions, and another that won't at all. and even that's up in the air. plenty of union boomers vote red. but if you gave them a chance to vote for a new FDR i guarantee they'd vote blue.

You're way off. Biden and Bernie are both strong pro union. You were a Bernie supporter, no idea were you got off track. There is no distinction between union leadership and membership. I am a Teamster.

democrats also supported all free trade agreements, etc that have helped gut and neuter unions. republicans killed unions and dems did nothing because neoliberals are anti union

Bullshit! I was a union worker. Sweeping generalizations sound good but it's just not true.

remember when biden killed the rail strike? fun times lol. super pro union though lol.

Mediated is more like it. Killed is a huge exaggeration. Workers got a 14% wage increase and 24% salary increase over five years, plus one day of paid leave per year.

benefits have been steadily cut under this neoliberal era of capitalism. and you know damn well the democrats don't support m4a gimme a break.

Bullshit again. It was blocked by republicans every time. Look at the work put in by Sanders AOC and company. Dems can't get it done alone.

so are the democrats because they have the same capitalist donor class. democrats are just smarter and more incrementalist with it because their voters are college educated. make it too obvious and they give away the game.

Who gives the big tax breaks to the rich? Why is gerrymandering prominent? And who loses most of the time in popular vote? It's the few doing everything they can to control the many.

and the democrats keep going along with it. notice how every time a republican president lowers the top income tax rates, the democrats will raise it back up, but never back to the previous number. again we're talking neoliberal incrementalism vs fascist reactionary politics here.

Bullshit. It is a constant battle over who will pay. Dems try to push it back on the rich while republicans torture working people. Regan started the tax on social security. Trump even wanted to cut the IRS so that people with accountants and lawyer could get get away with more.

i feel the same way about the democrats but feel its more insidious with them because i know where the gop stands, but the dnc will lie to your face telling you they support the working class.

The GOP is nothing more than a bunch of weak dick weasels supporting a wannabe fascist dictator because nobody has the balls to step out of line. You supported Bernie, one of the most consummate democrats, but now your definition of the Democratic Party has twisted off into something that doesn't fit.

 

[GOT_BUD?]

dems are supported by union leadership* big difference. but in reality where else are they supposed to go anyways. you've got one party that pretends to support unions, and another that won't at all. and even that's up in the air. plenty of union boomers vote red. but if you gave them a chance to vote for a new FDR i guarantee they'd vote blue.

democrats also supported all free trade agreements, etc that have helped gut and neuter unions. republicans killed unions and dems did nothing because neoliberals are anti union

remember when biden killed the rail strike? fun times lol. super pro union though lol.


benefits have been steadily cut under this neoliberal era of capitalism. and you know damn well the democrats don't support m4a gimme a break.


so are the democrats because they have the same capitalist donor class. democrats are just smarter and more incrementalist with it because their voters are college educated. make it too obvious and they give away the game.


and the democrats keep going along with it. notice how every time a republican president lowers the top income tax rates, the democrats will raise it back up, but never back to the previous number. again we're talking neoliberal incrementalism vs fascist reactionary politics here.

i feel the same way about the democrats but feel its more insidious with them because i know where the gop stands, but the dnc will lie to your face telling you they support the working class.

Uhh, Biden killed the Rail Strike, then turned around and demanded the owners give the union 7 sick days, which was the biggest sticking point in the contract negotiations. Union leadership came out after the new deal was struck and personally thanked Joe Biden for helping them to secure the paid time off.

Directly from the website of the International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers:

‘We Never Stopped Applying Pressure’: Hard-Fought Success on Rail Sick Days

After months of negotiations, the IBEW’s Railroad members at four of the largest U.S. freight carriers finally have what they’ve long sought but that many working people take for granted: paid sick days.

www.ibew.org

 

[greyfader]

You're way off. Biden and Bernie are both strong pro union. You were a Bernie supporter, no idea were you got off track. There is no distinction between union leadership and membership. I am a Teamster.

Bullshit! I was a union worker. Sweeping generalizations sound good but it's just not true.

Mediated is more like it. Killed is a huge exaggeration. Workers got a 14% wage increase and 24% salary increase over five years, plus one day of paid leave per year.

Bullshit again. It was blocked by republicans every time. Look at the work put in by Sanders AOC and company. Dems can't get it done alone.

Who gives the big tax breaks to the rich? Why is gerrymandering prominent? And who loses most of the time in popular vote? It's the few doing everything they can to control the many.

Bullshit. It is a constant battle over who will pay. Dems try to push it back on the rich while republicans torture working people. Regan started the tax on social security. Trump even wanted to cut the IRS so that people with accountants and lawyer could get get away with more.

The GOP is nothing more than a bunch of weak dick weasels supporting a wannabe fascist dictator because nobody has the balls to step out of line. You supported Bernie, one of the most consummate democrats, but now your definition of the Democratic Party has twisted off into something that doesn't fit.

AFL-CIO Butcher here! For a while, a long time ago.

"I cut meat, motherfucker!" i still have a fondness for knives! here are my two daily carries. i just put the paracord on the Smith and Wesson. it greatly improves the grip. it makes it non-slip. you know how slippery blood can be. both are rapid deploy. the big one with the left hand and the little one with the right. i'm a lefty, cannavore!

just to justify putting them in this thread, these knives are apolitical, and don't give a fuck who is president!

they are accompanied by a 30-year-old Rossi five-round .38 special snubbie.

when i was in the Boy Scouts i got a Merit Badge in fucking up armed robbers.

ya'll have a good 'un!

 

[armedoldhippy]

It's the few doing everything they can to control the many.

this country is proof of the Golden Rule..."the guy with the gold makes the rules."

 

[Boo]

This is what I keep on the back porch to keep the bad guys away. It, like your knives, are apolitical… they don’t care who standing in front of them when the trigger is pulled… It’s a pretty small little piece, but it will create havoc.