2024 US Presidential Election

[Cannavore]

That's what I was saying...



I think I understand the disconnect in discussion.

Very much agreed

yeah but you're calling dems leftists just like republicans do lol "radical leftist joe biden" type shit.

individual voters are indeed leftist, theres many and only growing in numbers. however the furthest left any of our representatives go is straight up the center.

think about how right wing we are as a country when someone who occupies the objective center between socialism and capitalism on the L/R economic axis of the overton window (like pre-2020 Bernie Sanders), he's immediately derided as a radical and a far leftist because even the democratic party is so far to the right that they'd rather lose than win with someone like Bernie. and it's only gotten worse. Biden is to the right of Reagan on some issues.

 

[greyfader]

If this is (yet again) the most important election of our lives, and "democracy is on the line" (as they cancel the DNC primaries LOL) and you'll all "vote blue no matter who", shouldn't you be siding with the leftists who wont vote unless they get concessions or a say in the outcome? You want our votes but you won't make any attempts to get our vote outside of voter shaming and concern trolling. It might've worked on people for the last two elections but that trick is out of juice.

neoliberal abandonment of the working class by the democrats and Bill Clinton in the 90's created a working class voter void and the far right picked these people up with xenophobic nationalist conspiracies to the point where they're now fascist. And the same thing is happening across much of the globe because neoliberalism is the dominant western orthodoxy.

Capitalism is dying and the system itself is creating its own opposition just as Marx predicted.

well, comrade, i think you have failed to realize that no one is even remotely interested in courting your vote.

there are not enough of you to make any difference whatsoever.

and, anyone who identifies with you before the election is shooting themselves in the foot right before they try to win a marathon. the right foot, as it were.

the idea that capitalism is dying in front of our eyes in real time is ludicrous. if fact, capitalism is actively recruiting participants from all over the world. capitalism is why 2 million people a year from third-world countries want to live in the US. Capitalism is a pathway to getting out of poverty.

you, in your lifetime, will never see a directional flow reversal of people voluntarily abandoning capitalism.

it might lose enough favor to die out sometime in a few hundred years or so but don't hold your breath!

i just saw that approx 31,000 Chinese nationals entered the US illegally last year. they are paying up to 20,000 dollars US each just to get transported here. the ones that have been interviewed are saying that they are coming for economic reasons. they want a better life.

the myth of the "rotting" West is not catching on too well. perhaps people would rather rot here than rot somewhere else. at least here they can be comfortable and eat while they rot.

 

[armedoldhippy]

But you’re a republican by trade so I didn’t expect you to get it anyways, that’s ok.

i USED to be a Republican, but the party ran away from home to be clowns in a circus. i got it all right, i just reject utterly your skin-deep interpretation of the gravity of the situation.

 

[armedoldhippy]

Fucking boomers aye, enjoy trump 2024, he’s the president you people deserve.

got some folks here that DO deserve him, but not enough of them to put him back in office.

 

[trichrider]

probably the only post from you that i agree with...in part.
except you left out the part where fascism has been the de rigueur of American politics for decades now.

what is wrong with the statement "Make America Great Again" ? and please explain in detail how this idea is fascistic. i feel it is anti-fascist and meets great disdain here.

what is the deep state if not weaponized bureaucracy imposed on the proletariat for the benefit of corporations...including the two corporations called DNC & RNC?

we are at war, asymmetrical, unannounced, and unconfirmed by constitutional authorities.
you can argue endlessly about the two party system, and rightfully so, but in reality there is only the uniparty that exists. the deep state.

what kind of democracy exists in that scenario? do you think your votes count?

vain attempts of moral superiority by hating one you've never met, & will never know, won't get you points in general discussions of politics. you would be far right in that case.

do I believe in Democracy? not if a democrat is in control.

 

[trichrider]

well, comrade, i think you have failed to realize that no one is even remotely interested in courting your vote.

there are not enough of you to make any difference whatsoever.

and, anyone who identifies with you before the election is shooting themselves in the foot right before they try to win a marathon. the right foot, as it were.

the idea that capitalism is dying in front of our eyes in real time is ludicrous. if fact, capitalism is actively recruiting participants from all over the world. capitalism is why 2 million people a year from third-world countries want to live in the US. Capitalism is a pathway to getting out of poverty.

you, in your lifetime, will never see a directional flow reversal of people voluntarily abandoning capitalism.

it might lose enough favor to die out sometime in a few hundred years or so but don't hold your breath!

i just saw that approx 31,000 Chinese nationals entered the US illegally last year. they are paying up to 20,000 dollars US each just to get transported here. the ones that have been interviewed are saying that they are coming for economic reasons. they want a better life.

the myth of the "rotting" West is not catching on too well. perhaps people would rather rot here than rot somewhere else. at least here they can be comfortable and eat while they rot.

probably the only post from you that i agree with...in part.
except you left out the part where fascism has been the de rigueur of American politics for decades now.
what is wrong with the statement "Make America Great Again" ? and please explain in detail how this idea is fascistic. i feel it is anti-fascist and meets great disdain here.
what is the deep state if not weaponized bureaucracy imposed on the proletariat for the benefit of corporations...including the two corporations called DNC & RNC?
we are at war, asymmetrical, unannounced, and unconfirmed by constitutional authorities.
you can argue endlessly about the two party system, and rightfully so, but in reality there is only the uniparty that exists. the deep state.
what kind of democracy exists in that scenario? do you think your votes count?
vain attempts of moral superiority by hating one you've never met, & will never know, won't get you points in general discussions of politics. you would be far right in that case.
do I believe in Democracy? not if a democrat is involved.

 

[Brother Nature]

 

[Zeez]

If this is (yet again) the most important election of our lives, and "democracy is on the line" (as they cancel the DNC primaries LOL) and you'll all "vote blue no matter who", shouldn't you be siding with the leftists who wont vote unless they get concessions or a say in the outcome? You want our votes but you won't make any attempts to get our vote outside of voter shaming and concern trolling. It might've worked on people for the last two elections but that trick is out of juice.

Some are hoping for appointments , but all are afraid of the bullies giving them the Pelosi treatment with some nut job breaking into their house and attacking them with a hammer. This fear is prominent with those going along with the big lie.

It won't be over until all the animals get put in cages and we can resume being a civilized society.

 

[mean mr.mustard]

yeah but you're calling dems leftists just like republicans do lol "radical leftist joe biden" type shit.

individual voters are indeed leftist, theres many and only growing in numbers. however the furthest left any of our representatives go is straight up the center.

think about how right wing we are as a country when someone who occupies the objective center between socialism and capitalism on the L/R economic axis of the overton window (like pre-2020 Bernie Sanders), he's immediately derided as a radical and a far leftist because even the democratic party is so far to the right that they'd rather lose than win with someone like Bernie. and it's only gotten worse. Biden is to the right of Reagan on some issues.

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I'm sure you have yet to read what I responded to.

 

[greyfader]

probably the only post from you that i agree with...in part.
except you left out the part where fascism has been the de rigueur of American politics for decades now.
what is wrong with the statement "Make America Great Again" ? and please explain in detail how this idea is fascistic. i feel it is anti-fascist and meets great disdain here.
what is the deep state if not weaponized bureaucracy imposed on the proletariat for the benefit of corporations...including the two corporations called DNC & RNC?
we are at war, asymmetrical, unannounced, and unconfirmed by constitutional authorities.
you can argue endlessly about the two party system, and rightfully so, but in reality there is only the uniparty that exists. the deep state.
what kind of democracy exists in that scenario? do you think your votes count?
vain attempts of moral superiority by hating one you've never met, & will never know, won't get you points in general discussions of politics. you would be far right in that case.
do I believe in Democracy? not if a democrat is involved.

ok, here goes it! and remember, you asked for it! quotes are yours.

"except you left out the part where fascism has been the de rigueur of American politics for decades now."

de ri·gueur
/ˌdə riˈɡər,də rēˈɡər/
adjective
required by etiquette or current fashion.
"it was de rigueur for bands to grow their hair long"

it certainly has not! there has always been a percentage of any population that is at least fascist-leaning. it has never been the stance of the majority.

most are probably too stupid to realize they are closet fascists. it's a psychological subconscious desire to have a strong autocratic central figure structure life in such a way that makes them comfortable and reinforces their prejudices. they want their "leader" to suppress all opposition to their views. by force if need be.

these prejudices are typically based on race and/or religion.

"what is wrong with the statement "Make America Great Again" ? and please explain in detail how this idea is fascistic. i feel it is anti-fascist and meets great disdain here."

no problem! there's nothing inherently wrong with the phrase. the idea itself is not fascistic. it's the people using the phrase that give it fascistic meaning or connotation. trump is a would-be autocrat.

Autocracy
Form of government

Description
Autocracy is a system of government in which absolute power is held by the ruler, known as an autocrat. It includes most forms of monarchy and dictatorship, while it is contrasted with democracy.

"what is the deep state"

it is a figment of your imagination. what you call "deep state" is simply the tendency of any entity, corporate or governmental, to perpetuate itself. it is a natural process. it is not some secret conspiracy. right now you perceive the "deep state" to be your enemy because they are doing their jobs. if your master were to be in power the "deep state" would be your ally. your views of the functions of government are skewed by your conspiracy fetish and your love of a cult leader.

"we are at war, asymmetrical, unannounced, and unconfirmed by constitutional authorities.
you can argue endlessly about the two party system, and rightfully so, but in reality there is only the uniparty that exists. the deep state."

you reinforce my points. you are a conspiracy theorist. which is simply a pathetic hobby because you cannot present factual evidence of any real conspiracies.

"what kind of democracy exists in that scenario? do you think your votes count?"

truly hysterical! you obviously think votes count because, if you didn't, you wouldn't be wasting yours and everyone else's time with the endless stream of propaganda you have presented here on this thread in order to sway the election in favor of your master.

"vain attempts of moral superiority by hating one you've never met, & will never know, won't get you points in general discussions of politics. you would be far right in that case."

oh, i know him alright! for my entire adult life i've been hearing about Donald Trump's sleazy affairs, crooked business dealings, and unsubstantiated ego. he is mentally ill. he displays symptoms of all three of what psychologists term "the dark triad of psychology". he is a liar, cheat, thief, pervert, and con artist. This may make him eminently qualified to be president in your opinion, but not mine.

"do I believe in Democracy? not if a democrat is involved."

in college-level classes on government, they discuss the different types of government. and describe them.

the definition of the type of government the United States of America has is a; representative democratic republic.

you don't seem to be able to discern the difference between a noun and an adjective. the word democrat is a noun, and the word democracy is an adjective. One describes an individual's political party affiliation and the other describes a form of government. most conservative Republicans believe in democracy. only the MAGA fascists don't and the reason they don't is that Democracy is counter to their goals. the demographics of democracy are numerically and statistically against them.

well, i hope you enjoyed my response! i got a big charge out of writing it. i always feel better after correcting ignorance. it's like i've done my civic duty.

by the way, yesterday, your master said that he hopes the economy will crash in the next year. what a responsible guy he is. he doesn't care that everyone in our country and everyone in our allies countries will suffer beyond description. and our enemies will benefit.

he shows no fiduciary responsibility whatsoever. for your understanding, fiduciary responsibility means that you put others' financial security above your own when dealing with their interests. such as a President should do.

i know i've put this up before but it seems like a good time to do it again.

what a fine gentleman he is!

have a nice fucking day!

 

[GOT_BUD?]

I wonder how the Evangelicals are going to react when it's revealed that Alina is going to be the newest Mrs. Trump...

 

[D. B. Doober]

I'm voting for Biden or Haley

 

[trichrider]

ok, here goes it! and remember, you asked for it! quotes are yours.

"except you left out the part where fascism has been the de rigueur of American politics for decades now."

de ri·gueur
/ˌdə riˈɡər,də rēˈɡər/
adjective
required by etiquette or current fashion.
"it was de rigueur for bands to grow their hair long"

it certainly has not! there has always been a percentage of any population that is at least fascist-leaning. it has never been the stance of the majority.

most are probably too stupid to realize they are closet fascists. it's a psychological subconscious desire to have a strong autocratic central figure structure life in such a way that makes them comfortable and reinforces their prejudices. they want their "leader" to suppress all opposition to their views. by force if need be.

these prejudices are typically based on race and/or religion.

"what is wrong with the statement "Make America Great Again" ? and please explain in detail how this idea is fascistic. i feel it is anti-fascist and meets great disdain here."

no problem! there's nothing inherently wrong with the phrase. the idea itself is not fascistic. it's the people using the phrase that give it fascistic meaning or connotation. trump is a would-be autocrat.

Autocracy
Form of government

Description
Autocracy is a system of government in which absolute power is held by the ruler, known as an autocrat. It includes most forms of monarchy and dictatorship, while it is contrasted with democracy.

"what is the deep state"

it is a figment of your imagination. what you call "deep state" is simply the tendency of any entity, corporate or governmental, to perpetuate itself. it is a natural process. it is not some secret conspiracy. right now you perceive the "deep state" to be your enemy because they are doing their jobs. if your master were to be in power the "deep state" would be your ally. your views of the functions of government are skewed by your conspiracy fetish and your love of a cult leader.

"we are at war, asymmetrical, unannounced, and unconfirmed by constitutional authorities.
you can argue endlessly about the two party system, and rightfully so, but in reality there is only the uniparty that exists. the deep state."

you reinforce my points. you are a conspiracy theorist. which is simply a pathetic hobby because you cannot present factual evidence of any real conspiracies.

"what kind of democracy exists in that scenario? do you think your votes count?"

truly hysterical! you obviously think votes count because, if you didn't, you wouldn't be wasting yours and everyone else's time with the endless stream of propaganda you have presented here on this thread in order to sway the election in favor of your master.

"vain attempts of moral superiority by hating one you've never met, & will never know, won't get you points in general discussions of politics. you would be far right in that case."

oh, i know him alright! for my entire adult life i've been hearing about Donald Trump's sleazy affairs, crooked business dealings, and unsubstantiated ego. he is mentally ill. he displays symptoms of all three of what psychologists term "the dark triad of psychology". he is a liar, cheat, thief, pervert, and con artist. This may make him eminently qualified to be president in your opinion, but not mine.

"do I believe in Democracy? not if a democrat is involved."

in college-level classes on government, they discuss the different types of government. and describe them.

the definition of the type of government the United States of America has is a; representative democratic republic.

you don't seem to be able to discern the difference between a noun and an adjective. the word democrat is a noun, and the word democracy is an adjective. One describes an individual's political party affiliation and the other describes a form of government. most conservative Republicans believe in democracy. only the MAGA fascists don't and the reason they don't is that Democracy is counter to their goals. the demographics of democracy are numerically and statistically against them.

well, i hope you enjoyed my response! i got a big charge out of writing it. i always feel better after correcting ignorance. it's like i've done my civic duty.

by the way, yesterday, your master said that he hopes the economy will crash in the next year. what a responsible guy he is. he doesn't care that everyone in our country and everyone in our allies countries will suffer beyond description. and our enemies will benefit.

he shows no fiduciary responsibility whatsoever. for your understanding, fiduciary responsibility means that you put others' financial security above your own when dealing with their interests. such as a President should do.

i know i've put this up before but it seems like a good time to do it again.

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what a fine gentleman he is!

have a nice fucking day!

you sir are deluded.
my master is the good Lord and my own common sense, yours be mammon. hate away fuckwad.

 

[trichrider]

I'm voting Trump now just to piss off the Fascists.
not just that, I'm going to caucus for the Republican ticket.
F*ck the Haters.
Trump 24, 28, 32, 36!!!

 

[trichrider]

James Clyburn Introduces Joe Biden to 2024 AME Precinct Captains and Ballot Receivers​

January 8, 2024 | Sundance | 179 Comments

Once you see the strings on the marionettes, you can never return to that moment in the performance when you did not see them. The cold, stark reality of the thing just sits there, staring you in the face, regardless of the discomfort it creates in the process.
Today as expected, Joe Biden traveled to the Mother Emanuel AME Church in South Carolina where he was introduced to the Election 2024 AME precinct captains, ballot stuffers, electioneering tabulators and vote counters. Gotta do that thing again, prompted:


Knowing they may have to go it alone, Team Biden kicked-off the MAGA extremist “threat to democracy” narrative in Philly last week. Then, immediately they head to the second part of the prior 2020 playbook – the AME Church network.
The AME Network is the race-based element they need for actual ballot manipulation in Pennsylvania (Philadelphia County), Georgia (Fulton County), Nevada (Clark County), and Michigan (Wayne County). It is the AME Church who organizes the racially motivated ballot creators, counters and precincts etc.

If you know the playbook, if you have watched the prior performances, you can clearly see the 2024 moves they make.
If you have not been following CTH research and election road mapping, you might not have the accurate context. So, a brief summary:
In 2020 in order to avoid Bernie Sanders, The Lightbringer and South Carolina’s James Clyburn agreed to merge BLM with AME. [Biden was oblivious] BLM would use George Floyd to activate action – the AME church network would use their implanted precinct captains. Chicago Jesus/Clyburn then agreed to Kamala. Shortly before Super Tuesday they told pudding brain, who had no options. Then Obama got on the phone, organized the exit strategy for the other candidates, and made the promises of the precursory indulgences they would receive. The bringer of all progressive enlightenment told Elizabeth Warren to stay in a little longer to ensure the Sanders (progressive) group was divided, and Super Tuesday went as planned. That’s how 2020 rolled. The AME team then fabricated the ballots as needed in the general.

Here’s the refresher as a repost from the earlier 2020 tripwires:​

Once you understand what took place in the 2020 Democrat primary that saw all candidates fall in line behind Biden, according to the process that Obama initiated, then everything centered around the DNC moves makes buckets of sense.
Despite how the media is presenting this, it is not Biden’s plan. This is Obama’s 2024 insider club roadmap, and it specifically includes the alignment of interests that he created in 2020 to remove the threat that Bernie Sanders represented. More on that in a moment. First, the DNC plan:
(Via Politico) – […] The DNC is on track to reshape its primary calendar after dissatisfaction with the traditional first state, Iowa, boiled over in 2020. Members of the party’s Rules and Bylaws Committee, charged with recommending a new calendar, gave a near-unanimous vote of approval on Friday for Biden’s proposal, with only minor tweaks to the dates and two ‘no’ votes from Iowa and New Hampshire members.
The revised proposal would see South Carolina host the first 2024 presidential primary on Feb. 3, a Saturday, followed three days later by New Hampshire and Nevada. Georgia would then hold an early primary on Feb. 13, and Michigan would hold its contest on Feb. 27. Iowa would be out of the early lineup altogether. (read more)
These changes are all about keeping the corporate wing of the DNC in control and eliminating the influence of the momentum progressive candidates. Just like the RNC wants MAGA destroyed, the DNC corporation wants control over the Bernie Sanders wing and Democrat socialists.
Keep in mind, we wrote about this over two three years ago, when Obama stepped into the 2020 primary to create the AME/BLM alignment.
Right before the 2020 SC Primary, the DNC Club knew they had a problem with the Bernie Sanders momentum. An urgent assembly of all party control officers was called. The DNC Club designed a plan around using James Clyburn as the official spark for Joe Biden to take back control of the primary outcome. Barack Obama was instrumental.
♦ BACKGROUND – There is a history – a backstory – that only a small group of people genuinely understand. The answers around this 2024 DNC change boil down to the less discussed issue of ideological camps and the modern alignment that has taken place over the past decade. The most visible reference for the inflection point was the 2008 primary contest between Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama.
Throughout the first decade of this millennium, there was an ideological shift, an inflection point, that became most clear in the rise of a little-known state representative who was appointed to become a Senator from Illinois; his name was Barack Obama. In the background of Obama’s rise were the people who designed the modern political left. Those Obama creationists were/are hardline revolutionary communist types.

This RevCom group was comprised of the more radical elements of the progressive movement, those who wanted to “fundamentally change” the United States, and who have a very patient and methodical plan to do so. Those elements took control by convincing the far-left labor movement to abandon the traditional Democrat apparatus and support a more radical approach. The SEIU, AFSCME, AFL-CIO, UAW, UFCW and others were leveraged to this position through promised financial benefit if they went along.
Those groups became the more powerful ammunition needed by the radical community activist teams, which were entirely on the side of Obama. Hillary Clinton’s first run for the presidency was crushed under the weight of the leverage all of the radicals aligned on the Obama side. Clinton was only left with the option to support the extremists in exchange for support in 2016.

However, the support she received was not full-throated. The ideological hatred that was created during the earlier inflection point, when the camps were at war, left scars. Those scars never healed; and, quite frankly the radicals were not going to support someone they just didn’t like.
Radical foot soldiers operate best on feelings and emotions. Clinton just didn’t do it for them. One by one, the traditional Democrat left was wiped out by the more extreme radical leftists. [Remember the destruction of the Bart Stupak “blue dogs”?]
Fast forward to today, very recently, and what we are seeing is the outcome of the Obama coalition in complete control over the internal club systems and political party apparatus. It took some time for this takeover to matriculate.
We are there now…. and into this far-left soup of radical elements the new left-wing media is mixed. The media are now activists for the radicals. This is why there is a more brutally obvious bias present today that was not present before. The bias was always present, but the scale of the ideological nature of the bias was not always as visible. Today the ideological support is crystal clear.

Right before the 2020 SC Primary, the DNC Club knew they had a problem with the Bernie Sanders momentum. An urgent assembly of all party control officers was called. The DNC Club designed a plan around using James Clyburn as the official spark for Joe Biden to take back control of the primary outcome.
Barack Obama, the figurative and ideological leader of the movement known as “Black Lives Matter”, and South Carolina Congressman James Clyburn, the figurative and ideological leader of the political construct within the African Methodist Episcopal (AME) church, struck a deal.

Obama and Clyburn really had no choice but to come to an agreement and form the alliance. If they did not act fast, Bernie Sanders was gaining momentum, and they could not have Sanders at the top of the 2020 ticket, because he was too outside the club system which was now almost exclusively focused on racial identity as a tool for political power.
A Bernie Sanders -vs- Donald Trump general election would have been a disaster for both clubs.
To get rid of Sanders, BLM (based in Georgia) and AME (based in South Carolina) aligned. This was the actual moment when Hillary Clinton was cast into the pit of irrelevance in Democrat politics.
Within the agreement, Obama and Clyburn selected Biden as the tool they could easily control to deliver on their larger, progressive, leftist intentions. The only one told not to drop out yet was Elizabeth Warren, as she would be needed as the insurance policy, the splitter against Bernie Sanders.
Within 48 hours, all members of the club and candidates had their instructions and proceeded to follow through on the plan. They had no choice. If they did not comply, they would suffer the consequences of a fully aligned club hierarchy who would target them personally and financially.
The plan worked flawlessly. A few days after their meeting, James Clyburn endorsed Biden while Barack Obama began making phone calls telling each of the other candidates to drop out in sequence and support Biden or else the club would destroy them.
As part of the coordinated deal, Representative James Clyburn was put in charge of the Biden campaign; Clyburn stunningly admitted this immediately after the strategy went public. James Clyburn and Barack Obama also controlled the vice-presidential nominee.
Joe Biden has dementia. Everyone knows this to be true. The Biden presidency is a front – a ruse, a manipulative scheme that needed a face in 2020. That’s Joe Biden.
In the background, the DNC Club has been in full control of everything behind the scenes. All policy is Club policy; and, specifically because of their importance in triggering the origin of the entire enterprise, the primary policy beneficiaries were the corporate donors, the AME church network and the BLM activists.
The new DNC primary contest map essentially codifies the control process and blocks any rogue non-club approved candidate from entering a challenge. Only the corporate and club approved candidates will benefit from the changes.
(Politico) – […] DNC Chair Jaime Harrison, who attended the meeting, also called the proposed early window a reflection “of the diversity of our party” and “a more equitable and accessible nomination process that puts our candidates in the best position to win.” Harrison is the former chair of the South Carolina Democratic Party.
But David McDonald, another longtime DNC member, did raise light concerns that the committee’s introduction of large states, including Michigan and Georgia, could “effectively [create] a bias toward certain kinds of candidates,” particularly those who enter a presidential primaries with significant financial resources, which would allow them to compete more effectively in expensive media markets. (link)

 

[trichrider]

sure joetraitor...

 

[trichrider]

Breitbart Business Digest: Government Hiring Inflated Jobs Report, Increases Inflation Danger

 

[armedoldhippy]

The Chump has unveiled his secret weapon on Haley...a brand-spanking new "birther" conspiracy! yeah, because it worked SO well against Obama, lol. in other news, a new poll out says that Haley is now leading The Chump in Michigan. hmmm... could these two items be related some how?

 

[mean mr.mustard]

I'm voting Trump now just to piss off the Fascists.

How are you pissing off fascists by voting for one?

 

[armedoldhippy]

it makes them "angry" if someone likes them. they want to be feared...