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2024 US Presidential Election
By the way, if those service enlistees were as educated and patriotic as they ought to be, they'd be aware of the sections within the UCMJ that authorizes refusal to obey criminal or unconstitutional orders, which would include, under US law and treaties, lending military aid to a criminal nation or leadership.View attachment 19083481
US will send a missile defense system and troops to run it to Israel to aid defense against Iran
The United States will send a T erminal High Altitude Area Defense battery to Israel, along with the troops needed to operate it, the Pentagon said Sunday, even as Iran warned Washington to keep American military forces out of Israel. Maj. Gen. Pat Ryder, Pentagon spokesman, said in a statement...www.yahoo.com
Just sayin'...
But they'd have to give a shit about that enough, be fair-minded and conscientious enough, and have balls or ovaries big enough to take a stand.. Which is often sadly questionable in today's programmed, superficially comfortable, nationalist society.
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it requires a lot less blood and sacrifice for the nation as a whole to keep one out of power than to remove him once in. it's a lot like a potentially fatal disease. you apparently are in the "maybe it won't kill me, or expensive/risky surgery later might save me..." camp versus the "i think i'll get that vaccine that is available..."
preventative maintenance/premptive strike, whatever you want to call it.
Unless you count others' blood overseas... or don't, as the case may be.it requires a lot less blood and sacrifice for the nation as a whole to keep one out of power than to remove him once in. it's a lot like a potentially fatal disease. you apparently are in the "maybe it won't kill me, or expensive/risky surgery later might save me..." camp versus the "i think i'll get that vaccine that is available..."
Not to mention the significant likelihood of America getting bloody without any significant change for the better at 'home', by virtue of escalation in the Middle East.
Have those brass bands, confetti and metal coffins ready.
why? are you throwing a parade ?
I think you know why. The warmongers in the Oval Office are sending US Troops, in violation of US and other laws, to Israel. Do you really think it stops there?
i don't know. "warmongers", a loaded term, full of assumptions. if they really WANTED a war, we would be into it already. every fire has a flashpoint though. i'm not stupid enough to think it is impossible. but that is not connected to the possibility of our "electing" a dictator, which is what we were discussing. you seem to be okay with that...and i'll be damned if i see a real answer as to why. either The Chump or Harris will continue the course in the middle east. why would you NOT vote AGAINST the person that says he will be a dictator, and conservatives won't need to vote after this election ? no more distraction about a possible foreign war, concentrate on our problem right here, right now.
Then I'll repeat it in sequence of simple phases of progression.
The war that Israel is pressing and baiting us into, much to the glee of the US State Dept alphabet soup agencies, is an illegal war.
The US funding that war and providing munitions is a violation of numerous laws, both domestic and not.
Joe Biden, and now Kamala, intend to continue funding and arming that illegal war, now using US troops and tech on Israeli ground to further these crimes, which are crimes unto themselves, mind you.
They are the only ones (along with spineless propagandized and fundamentalist Chirstian, also now criminal Congress) who've done so since the ICJ ruled that Israel is in fact a criminal state guilty of human rights violations and war crimes and that their West Bank settlements are also violations of international laws, not to mention the war crimes committed when seizing them.
I don't vote for war criminals, and there's no real vague perception or reality in the accusing them of war crimes. The laws are pretty clear, whether US, international or treaty. Period.
I don't vote for war criminals, but apparently you do.
I won't be voting for Trump, either. His supporters will do that.
Your argument amounts to guilt tripping, obfuscation, intentional daftness where US policy, law and facts are concerned, and some form of vote extortion through machinations that defy conscious and reality.
Not my style or my game.
It's your guys who belong in The Hague. Not mine.
My home will be voting for Jill Stein, and apparently a whole bunch of others will, too.
"Actions have consequences".... no matter who the fuck you are. If they were so afraid of losing the election, perhaps they should have abided by the laws, and turned a blind eye to AIPAC and known established sociopathic war criminals.
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Military Advisors in Vietnam: 1963
Students analyze a letter to President Kennedy from a woman who had just lost her brother in South Vietnam and consider Kennedy’s reply which explains his rationale for sending US military to that country.
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Hiddenjems
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I don’t think a 78 year old has ever overthrown a country.
His minions might try. Though first time around it seems there were numerous folks near him and in his cabinet who actively engaged in damage control by preventing him from being more nuts than he is/was.
And as stated, if/when that day comes that anyone attempts to establish a more direct monarchy than is already present, anyone who truly views themselves as a patriot, regardless of party affiliation, would throw down. I would and will. Promise. If I'm still ambulatory, in those circumstances there will be a weapon or 2 in my hands, taking out fascist dictator supporters. No prob, Bob.
I barely tolerate the double-standard-peropetuating, entitlement-bred corporatist pukes and tyrants as it is, there's zero room for more direct monarchy/oligarchy or their hand-puppets.
But that would assume a population of people more than the comfortable spineless cowards I've come to view many as being. Which I guess is the -real- question.
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Well, I guess on the bright side, they're not starting off with some sort of bullshit about it just being 'advisors', eh?View attachment 19083950
Military Advisors in Vietnam: 1963
Students analyze a letter to President Kennedy from a woman who had just lost her brother in South Vietnam and consider Kennedy’s reply which explains his rationale for sending US military to that country.www.jfklibrary.org
Edit: Though there's a LONG history of the hawkish dimwits at the Pentagon being of the 'in for a penny, in for a lb.' religious persuasion where bad investments are concerned. A -long- history.
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The age of a person is irrelevant. Its the suckers who believe the BS and harm others for his cause. Jan 6 should be a reminder.
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A reminder that idiots will destroy property?
There was zero percent chance that those people could have taken over our country.
5 years from now there will be another “existential threat” to America that the dems or republicans need to save you from. It’s all bs from both of them. America can survive any president.
I'd say the last line is a 'maybe', at best. All governments and societies have shelf dates.
But the fear-induced and neuroses-crazed trembling about the prospect of -one- proven lunatic gaining power for any period of time is not justification to elect proven war criminals out of fear, and especially not those who represent a foreign nation's demands more so than they do their own troops, government reputation (what little they have left) and citizens....
