2024 US Presidential Election

[EastCoastGambit]

Funny thing is if communism is so terrible, then why is the West so afraid of it? It seems like a terrible form of government/economics would not be popular and would not spread like wildfire across the planet.

You know who would be scared of it...industrialists & enterprise as it threatens their ability to exploit the many for their personal gain. Who do industrialists and corporations have control over??? The government! And what does the government want you to fear??? Communism!

I don't claim to know much as I have not read the book but my view is communism is an idea. It probably isn't perfect and capitalism clearly isn't either. What I don't like is censorship of ideas in general. I can decide for myself if something is evil or not and I am free to explore any fucking ideas I want in a free society.

So for all the people that are so against the very idea of communism, they should ask themselves why it is they feel that way? Did they come to that conclusion of their own or were they convinced through a propaganda campaign? And I fully well know there were many a bloody communist campaigns that did not benefit in the end the common citizen, it is flawed communism and perhaps the whole idea is very unrealistic in its practice vs human nature. That said, anytime a group tries to obtain or does obtain power it is typically violent, I do not know of any transfers of power/government that were done peacefully?

 

[RobFromTX]

actually i think it was russian disinformation, or possibly fake-news

Not disinformation....collusion

 

[Hiddenjems]

You people like Kamala? She doesn’t like them.

 

[Hiddenjems]

Funny thing is if communism is so terrible, then why is the West so afraid of it? It seems like a terrible form of government/economics would not be popular and would not spread like wildfire across the planet.

You know who would be scared of it...industrialists & enterprise as it threatens their ability to exploit the many for their personal gain. Who do industrialists and corporations have control over??? The government! And what does the government want you to fear??? Communism!

I don't claim to know much as I have not read the book but my view is communism is an idea. It probably isn't perfect and capitalism clearly isn't either. What I don't like is censorship of ideas in general. I can decide for myself if something is evil or not and I am free to explore any fucking ideas I want in a free society.

So for all the people that are so against the very idea of communism, they should ask themselves why it is they feel that way? Did they come to that conclusion of their own or were they convinced through a propaganda campaign? And I fully well know there were many a bloody communist campaigns that did not benefit in the end the common citizen, it is flawed communism and perhaps the whole idea is very unrealistic in its practice vs human nature. That said, anytime a group tries to obtain or does obtain power it is typically violent, I do not know of any transfers of power/government that were done peacefully?

Show me one instance where communism has worked.

It is against human nature to share everything you have with people you don’t know.

The smallest form of government, the nuclear family, is communist. But that philosophy doesn’t scale to country sized groups.

 

[Cannavore]

Communism was originally branded as “scientific socialism”.

The core of socialism and communism is collectivism.

Fun fact, the star man from rush albums is meant to be a symbol against all forms of collectivism.


Modern day “socialists” want to keep all of their property but have those more well off than them to “share more”. They aren’t real socialists because they aren’t willing to collectivize their own property, but expect others to.

you're misunderstanding what "property" means when marxists say that. they mean your factory that you "own", not your home.

you're getting mad at a strawman you created... "if you're a communist then why don't you give up all your PERSONAL property like your money and your home" derpty derp

modern day marxists and socialists want the means of production to be controlled by the workers democratically over private corporate tyranny. collectivism which prioritizes labor against a small minority of capital owners that control everything including governments is good actually.

 

[EastCoastGambit]

Wouldn't a library be a form of communism? Are libraries bad?

 

[audiohi]

Communism was originally branded as “scientific socialism”.

The core of socialism and communism is collectivism.

Fun fact, the star man from rush albums is meant to be a symbol against all forms of collectivism.

Modern day “socialists” want to keep all of their property but have those more well off than them to “share more”. They aren’t real socialists because they aren’t willing to collectivize their own property, but expect others to.

 

[zachrockbadenof]

Not disinformation....collusion

ahhhh... thanks i stand corrected...

 

[Hiddenjems]

Wouldn't a library be a form of communism? Are libraries bad?

There are things that work communally, entire countries aren’t one of them. Like I said, communism doesn’t scale to nation size.

 

[zachrockbadenof]

It seems like a terrible form of government/economics would not be popular and would not spread like wildfire across the planet.

do the people have a choice in the matter??? what happens in n korea if u stand up in a public sq and denounce the govt... or try it in china or iran. denounce the war in moscow... just remember to bring some warm clothes with ya

 

[greyfader]

Communism was originally branded as “scientific socialism”.

The core of socialism and communism is collectivism.

Fun fact, the star man from rush albums is meant to be a symbol against all forms of collectivism.


Modern day “socialists” want to keep all of their property but have those more well off than them to “share more”. They aren’t real socialists because they aren’t willing to collectivize their own property, but expect others to.

i've never seen anything like that in the literature, but i'm willing to learn. can you please cite references?

i consider you to be a brother in leaf, i know you grow because of all your posts. you know quite a bit about the plant.

you're misunderstanding what "property" means when marxists say that. they mean your factory that you "own", not your home.

you're getting mad at a strawman you created... "if you're a communist then why don't you give up all your PERSONAL property like your money and your home" derpty derp

modern day marxists and socialists want the means of production to be controlled by the workers democratically over private corporate tyranny. collectivism which prioritizes labor against a small minority of capital owners that control everything including governments is good actually.

project 2025 wants to do away with collective bargaining!

 

[xtsho]

Communism has always been just an idea.

 

[greyfader]

i wonder what jd vance's favorite couch is? perhaps a well built berkline (ooh, i like the cushions on that baby)! or maybe he likes the couch on top and prefers a lazy boy?

i wonder if he's into fake fur or likes the sweaty slap he gets with hide of the wild nauga beast?

 

[pop_rocks]

Wouldn't a library be a form of communism? Are libraries bad?

literacy is overrated and libraries are a thing of the past like vhs bro
burn them all to the ground! communal offering of books?
wtf reads books anymore
...
where i live there are these things called lending libraries, i think its a girl scout/boy scout thing
/more f'n commies!
they set up book boxes outside their homes and you can take a book or leave a book, i do a little of both

/i love all books

Communism has always been just an idea.

what spreads ideas? BOOKS!!!
burn them like witches

 

[greyfader]

as of this afternoon, trump's 1.7% lead over biden has shrunk to nothing over harris. they are at parity in combined polls. in just 6 days! the teeter has tottered.

 

[Hiddenjems]

i've never seen anything like that in the literature, but i'm willing to learn. can you please cite references?

i consider you to be a brother in leaf, i know you grow because of all your posts. you know quite a bit about the plant.

project 2025 wants to do away with collective bargaining!

Project 2025 only has one good idea that I’ve seen out of 900 pages. It states that overtime should be time and a half pay or a time and a half paid vacation.

Here is a little on scientific socialism. It may have fell out of use later on, but Marx and Engels thought that it described the division of property under their system. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_socialism


I try to balance out my loud political opinions in this section by helping people cultivate the plant that has given me everything. It’s helped my ailments, and provided solid income. What more can you want?

 

[Hiddenjems]

do the people have a choice in the matter??? what happens in n korea if u stand up in a public sq and denounce the govt... or try it in china or iran. denounce the war in moscow... just remember to bring some warm clothes with ya

I have no problem with communism or socialism. My big issue is how they treat people not willing to accept their system. In every communist revolution many people are killed.

This is the kind of person Lenin was.

 

[audiohi]

Project 2025 only has one good idea that I’ve seen out of 900 pages. It states that overtime should be time and a half pay or a time and a half paid vacation.

Here is a little on scientific socialism. It may have fell out of use later on, but Marx and Engels thought that it described the division of property under their system. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_socialism


I try to balance out my loud political opinions in this section by helping people cultivate the plant that has given me everything. It’s helped my ailments, and provided solid income. What more can you want?

overtime in a 160 hour work month as compared to a 40 hour work week effectively meaning no overtime if they cut your hours on the fourth week.

so, no good ideas

 

[audiohi]

Has that been confirmed?

no broken teleprompter

no hole in the ear

surprise surprise

 

[igrowone]

well, once there was a war over Jenkin's ear

War of Jenkins' Ear - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

can there be any less over Trump's ear? I say war!