2024 US Presidential Election

[EastCoastGambit]

I have no problem with communism or socialism. My big issue is how they treat people not willing to accept their system. In every communist revolution many people are killed.

This is the kind of person Lenin was.

This Bertand fellows voice is reminding me of Yoda.

I agree communism has flaws, the first is trusting in a state to allocate resources. The second is people do want individual liberty to make choices about what they want to consume, they also desire to have "things"

My issues with capitalism is that it is economic mantra for corporations to prioritize profits and growth above all other things, the government is supposed to regulate but they suck at it due to incompetence, bureaucracy, and corruption. I know every organization is a little different and there has been change here and there on this. The issue: is with automation and AI coming into the fold labor will become more obsolete (as outsourcing was the 1st wave of this) Why pay people when you can have technology perform the same tasks, this is obeying the mantra/capitalist's economic principles, and perhaps is OK. Where it falls apart is without paying for labor, the consumerism needed to spin the other wheels of the economy (consumables) will suffer, and there is no way of balancing this out. Beyond this, the destruction of the ecosystem and gross waste involved in our capitalistic culture is immoral in my opinion.

So while I think it is fine to indulge in "wants" once in awhile and to have individual liberty to say - throw a big party with friends, buy a vacation home, or own sporty car. These material things motivate people to work, innovate, and get ahead. This does spin the economic engine. But I cant support throw away culture, single use containers, and planned obsolescence as it is short sighted and irresponsible, and there will be a collective karma to be repaid for living this way. The amount of fossil fuel/energy/resources needed to support the American lifestyle, which the rest of the developing world cannot possibly have, is insane. But this is the only way we seem to know to live as it is so ingrained in our culture now.

So while I do not support people only getting a strict ration of food and everyone driving the same vehicle, or having only public housing. To me a balance can be struck between individualism and collective responsibility that sets limits on taking way more than anyone needs.

 

[Hiddenjems]

This Bertand fellows voice is reminding me of Yoda.

I agree communism has flaws, the first is trusting in a state to allocate resources. The second is people do want individual liberty to make choices about what they want to consume, they also desire to have "things"

My issues with capitalism is that it is economic mantra for corporations to prioritize profits and growth above all other things, the government is supposed to regulate but they suck at it due to incompetence, bureaucracy, and corruption. I know every organization is a little different and there has been change here and there on this. The issue: is with automation and AI coming into the fold labor will become more obsolete (as outsourcing was the 1st wave of this) Why pay people when you can have technology perform the same tasks, this is obeying the mantra/capitalist's economic principles, and perhaps is OK. Where it falls apart is without paying for labor, the consumerism needed to spin the other wheels of the economy (consumables) will suffer, and there is no way of balancing this out. Beyond this, the destruction of the ecosystem and gross waste involved in our capitalistic culture is immoral in my opinion.

So while I think it is fine to indulge in "wants" once in awhile and to have individual liberty to say - throw a big party with friends, buy a vacation home, or own sporty car. These material things motivate people to work, innovate, and get ahead. This does spin the economic engine. But I cant support throw away culture, single use containers, and planned obsolescence as it is short sighted and irresponsible, and there will be a collective karma to be repaid for living this way. The amount of fossil fuel/energy/resources needed to support the American lifestyle, which the rest of the developing world cannot possibly have, is insane. But this is the only way we seem to know to live as it is so ingrained in our culture now.

So while I do not support people only getting a strict ration of food and everyone driving the same vehicle, or having only public housing. To me a balance can be struck between individualism and collective responsibility that sets limits on taking way more than anyone needs.

In true capitalism you don’t have things like patents that produce a monopoly for the length of the patent.


The problem isn’t even people getting super rich. The problem is that we allow money in politics.

If all campaigns were publicly financed, and all full time federal government employees including congress only allowed to earn their pay and nothing more, we’d be ok.

I’d also like term limits and a severance pay package preventing elected officials from private employment for a 5-7 year period after they are out of office.

If it’s truly service, people couldn’t enrich themselves doing it. The vow of poverty approach weeds out a lot of psychos.

 

[EastCoastGambit]

Isn't there some theory that the United States and its government are actually some kind of corporation now technically? If that is true then the population here is just a product to them. Didn't Hillary refer to people as "wet ware"? The elected officials and the fed are the board of directors and the executive team, and since this company is fuckin' bankrupt I would think we are loooongg overdue for a change in management. I like disruptive democracy, I just don't like MAGA.

Someone better should employ similar tactics to hijack the system. The people will vote for the most popular person and the major parties would need to "draft" that candidate to have the best chance of winning, regardless of individual policy, either that, or face alternate parties actually gaining traction. All we need is someone just, confident, honest, wise, understanding, funny, and intelligent to speak over all the bullshit, you know, like a true leader. The politicians these days are such slimy weaklings, they should be very easy to overcome.

Isn't this Mr. Beast guy playing at running for POTUS when he's old enough?

 

[greyfader]

Project 2025 only has one good idea that I’ve seen out of 900 pages. It states that overtime should be time and a half pay or a time and a half paid vacation.

Here is a little on scientific socialism. It may have fell out of use later on, but Marx and Engels thought that it described the division of property under their system. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_socialism


I try to balance out my loud political opinions in this section by helping people cultivate the plant that has given me everything. It’s helped my ailments, and provided solid income. What more can you want?

nothing and thank you!

 

[greyfader]

no broken teleprompter

no hole in the ear

surprise surprise

well, we really can't tell from a photo taken at distance whether the teleprompter was hit or not. a 5.56 round could have punched a hole in it sending shrapnel out the backside without shattering the whole screen. think of how an automotive windshield reacts to being struck by a bullet.

 

[greyfader]

Funny thing is if communism is so terrible, then why is the West so afraid of it? It seems like a terrible form of government/economics would not be popular and would not spread like wildfire across the planet.

You know who would be scared of it...industrialists & enterprise as it threatens their ability to exploit the many for their personal gain. Who do industrialists and corporations have control over??? The government! And what does the government want you to fear??? Communism!

I don't claim to know much as I have not read the book but my view is communism is an idea. It probably isn't perfect and capitalism clearly isn't either. What I don't like is censorship of ideas in general. I can decide for myself if something is evil or not and I am free to explore any fucking ideas I want in a free society.

So for all the people that are so against the very idea of communism, they should ask themselves why it is they feel that way? Did they come to that conclusion of their own or were they convinced through a propaganda campaign? And I fully well know there were many a bloody communist campaigns that did not benefit in the end the common citizen, it is flawed communism and perhaps the whole idea is very unrealistic in its practice vs human nature. That said, anytime a group tries to obtain or does obtain power it is typically violent, I do not know of any transfers of power/government that were done peacefully?

well, all of our presidential elections were conducted with a peaceful transfer of power until donald trump.

 

[Hammerhead]

NEEDS TO BE POSTED AGAIN

 

[greyfader]

i found these on tiktok. both are damning statements by trump.



Trump, in April 2022, keynoted a Heritage Foundation dinner as it began work on Project 2025: "This is a great group & they’re going to lay the groundwork & detail plans for exactly what our movement will do ... when the American people give us a colossal mandate to save America.

april, 2022, and he doesn't know anything about it? really?

and,



"vote this time, 4 more years it will be fixed, it will be fine, you won't have to vote anymore!"

apparently, there's no plan for democracy and our constitution in his future.

this should scare the living shit out of everyone!

and, for those truly concerned about the fate of the paletinians, trump says, i'm not christian but i love christians" so what is he? jewish, of course.

@So Hai you really have a problem here buddy, don't you? you want trump to win so that russia can take ukraine, but, after seeing this, what do you think he's going to do about israel?

so, will you support genocide by supporting trump in this election? just so the russians can take ukraine?

 

[Hiddenjems]

well, all of our presidential elections were conducted with a peaceful transfer of power until donald trump.

In my opinion what destroys communist countries is citizens giving massive power to a small centralized government. Eventually it ends up in the hands of a single person. That kind of power concentration never ends well.

All governments share a couple large faults.

Concentration of power, I don’t believe a person should speak for anyone but themselves. I fundamentally believe that authority by concentrated representation isn’t valid.

They also aim for “the greater good” without a clear definition of such, and where their moral authority is derived from.

Governments all wish to have a monopoly on violence. This goes back to my first gripe.

 

[greyfader]

In my opinion what destroys communist countries is citizens giving massive power to a small centralized government. Eventually it ends up in the hands of a single person. That kind of power concentration never ends well.

All governments share a couple large faults.

Concentration of power, I don’t believe a person should speak for anyone but themselves. I fundamentally believe that authority by concentrated representation isn’t valid.

They also aim for “the greater good” without a clear definition of such, and where their moral authority is derived from.

Governments all wish to have a monopoly on violence. This goes back to my first gripe.

"when asked to give up some of your personal freedom for the greater good, remember that freedom is the greater good." a quote from my friend buffalo from the buffalo outdoors channel on you tube! this guy is one of the finest pistol shots i've ever seen. he could hit a head size target at 100 yards with a handgun, no problem.

 

[Hiddenjems]

It’s like suicidal said back in the 80’s



“
We decided? My best interest?
How do you know what my best interest is?
How can you say what my best interest is?”

 

[Hiddenjems]

Isn't there some theory that the United States and its government are actually some kind of corporation now technically? If that is true then the population here is just a product to them. Didn't Hillary refer to people as "wet ware"? The elected officials and the fed are the board of directors and the executive team, and since this company is fuckin' bankrupt I would think we are loooongg overdue for a change in management. I like disruptive democracy, I just don't like MAGA.

Someone better should employ similar tactics to hijack the system. The people will vote for the most popular person and the major parties would need to "draft" that candidate to have the best chance of winning, regardless of individual policy, either that, or face alternate parties actually gaining traction. All we need is someone just, confident, honest, wise, understanding, funny, and intelligent to speak over all the bullshit, you know, like a true leader. The politicians these days are such slimy weaklings, they should be very easy to overcome.

Isn't this Mr. Beast guy playing at running for POTUS when he's old enough?

I’m not a fan of half of his policy, but if rfk jr had a working voice, he’d be the first 3rd party candidate to win.

I listened to him a lot years ago when he was suing huge corporations. I think that’s why the mainstream corporate dems hate him, even though he’s an Israel worshipper like the rest of the dem elites.

 

[shiva82]

I’m not a fan of half of his policy, but if rfk jr had a working voice, he’d be the first 3rd party candidate to win.

I listened to him a lot years ago when he was suing huge corporations. I think that’s why the mainstream corporate dems hate him, even though he’s an Israel worshipper like the rest of the dem elites.

jfk is another one filmed with his pants down on epstein island , and in the pockets of israel

no politician is going to save anyone from another politician

 

[shiva82]

NEEDS TO BE POSTED AGAIN

is this george clooney the actor ?

 

[greyfader]

I’m not a fan of half of his policy, but if rfk jr had a working voice, he’d be the first 3rd party candidate to win.

I listened to him a lot years ago when he was suing huge corporations. I think that’s why the mainstream corporate dems hate him, even though he’s an Israel worshipper like the rest of the dem elites.

the republicans love israel even more though. there are democrats in congress who want to defund israel over gaza. no republican would dare say sush a thing.

editing to add the rfk jr needs more than a working voice. he needs a working brain as well!

 

[buzzmobile]

well, once there was a war over Jenkin's ear

War of Jenkins' Ear - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

can there be any less over Trump's ear? I say war!

My sister gave me the book a couple Christmas' ago.

War it is!

 

[igrowone]

My sister gave me the book a couple Christmas' ago.
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War it is!

always amazed at the depth/range of the members here, nice cover too

 

[buzzmobile]

no broken teleprompter

no hole in the ear

surprise surprise

 

[buzzmobile]

always amazed at the depth/range of the members here, nice cover too

I believe that about you.

 

[greyfader]

In my opinion what destroys communist countries is citizens giving massive power to a small centralized government. Eventually it ends up in the hands of a single person. That kind of power concentration never ends well.

All governments share a couple large faults.

Concentration of power, I don’t believe a person should speak for anyone but themselves. I fundamentally believe that authority by concentrated representation isn’t valid.

They also aim for “the greater good” without a clear definition of such, and where their moral authority is derived from.

Governments all wish to have a monopoly on violence. This goes back to my first gripe.

good post man! i think the central government and even state governments exercise too much control over our daily lives. thoreau "that government is best that governs least."

could i get your thoughts on the two statements by trump i posted above?