2024 US Presidential Election

[EastCoastGambit]

 

[So Hai]

part of dwight david eisenhower's farewell address january 17, 1961

 

[So Hai]

 

[pop_rocks]

is that like trump saying, the people coming over the border are murderers,rapists, the worse of the worse, and i'm sure they are a few good people too???

why arent these people coming in through the legal channels?

 

[zachrockbadenof]

why arent these people coming in through the legal channels?

a very good question...

 

[RobFromTX]

why arent these people coming in through the legal channels?

Most of them do and most of them are good folks. And once they spend a year or two in america....and see just how insanely expensive it is to survive here.....they haul ass back to where they came from

 

[pop_rocks]

Most of them do and most of them are good folks. And once they spend a year or two in america....and see just how insanely expensive it is to survive here.....they haul ass back to where they came from

but a lot of them dont, hence the border crisis
growing up in socal this is nothing new and we have had to deal with illegal immigration for decades
like you said, most are just hard working people who just want a chance at a better life
but the border is there for a reason and it seems now its not just mx/s.am folks coming across illegally, its people from all over the world
/the real winners here are the coyotes and cartels who trafic these people through mexico

 

[RobFromTX]

I know this is not a country I'd come to if i was trying to escape poverty. And without a work visa...which they can only get through legal channels...employers can pay them shit wages for jobs you and I would never do.

Now im not saying immigration isnt a big problem but we do need immigration because this has become a lazy spoiled country. It aint the hipsters picking fruit or working construction jobs. They freckle

 

[Cannavore]

i'm sure creating narco states in south america that terrorize and kill the local population on behalf of the CIA drug trade, overthrowing democratically elected governments for banana companies, and colonialism in general has no effect whatsoever on why people from the "third world" are coming to the countries that exploited them.

 

[zachrockbadenof]

i'm sure creating narco states in south america that terrorize and kill the local population on behalf of the CIA drug trade, overthrowing democratically elected governments for banana companies, and colonialism in general has no effect whatsoever on why people from the "third world" are coming to the countries that exploited them.

come on, we haven't overthrown a country in..... well its been months...

 

[pop_rocks]

I know this is not a country I'd come to if i was trying to escape poverty. And without a work visa...which they can only get through legal channels...employers can pay them shit wages for jobs you and I would never do.

Now im not saying immigration isnt a big problem but we do need immigration because this has become a lazy spoiled country. It aint the hipsters picking fruit or working construction jobs. They freckle

for a lot of immigrants the worst day of your life would seem like heaven
thats why the are willing to put up with the s', its better than what they had back home

 

[EastCoastGambit]

I do feel bad for those in South America and we did have a bad history of destabilizing and exploiting those countries. Even worse is your average taxpaying citizen has no awareness of what has and continues to happen.

A better solution in my opinion would be to do whatever we can diplomatically to advocate for better living conditions in the countries that these desperate people are fleeing from. But I agree, we cannot really afford to just let hundreds of thousands of migrants to just cross over at will. States do not have the resources to support that surge and there is the threat of unsavory and dangerous individuals and groups entering at will.

Like many problems I view this as one that should have been better addressed decades ago and has now spiraled out of control.

 

[Microbeman]

I know this is not a country I'd come to if i was trying to escape poverty. And without a work visa...which they can only get through legal channels...employers can pay them shit wages for jobs you and I would never do.

Now im not saying immigration isnt a big problem but we do need immigration because this has become a lazy spoiled country. It aint the hipsters picking fruit or working construction jobs. They freckle

Yup. I went the opposite way to live affordably and as it turns out with a new family. (of course Shiva thinks I'm an agent of destruction).

 

[Microbeman]

I do feel bad for those in South America and we did have a bad history of destabilizing and exploiting those countries. Even worse is your average taxpaying citizen has no awareness of what has and continues to happen.

A better solution in my opinion would be to do whatever we can diplomatically to advocate for better living conditions in the countries that these desperate people are fleeing from. But I agree, we cannot really afford to just let hundreds of thousands of migrants to just cross over at will. States do not have the resources to support that surge and there is the threat of unsavory and dangerous individuals and groups entering at will.

Like many problems I view this as one that should have been better addressed decades ago and has now spiraled out of control.

Should have been addressed when the Mayflower landed...out of control is right.

 

[pop_rocks]

Yup. I went the opposite way to live affordably and as it turns out with a new family. (of course Shiva thinks I'm an agent of destruction).

you seem like a subversive! and i have my eyes on you
/im watching you



three of four tamales!

 

[Microbeman]

you seem like a subversive! and i have my eyes on you
/im watching you



three of four tamales!

It's not paranoia if it's true. I'll see your 4 tamales and raise you 6 huevos rancheros

 

[pop_rocks]

It's not paranoia if it's true. I'll see your 4 tamales and raise you 6 huevos rancheros

oh you know im peeping all over and when you least expect it too

/presents plate of chilli rellenos
your move my friend!

 

[Cannavore]

 

[So Hai]

I do feel bad for those in South America and we did have a bad history of destabilizing and exploiting those countries. Even worse is your average taxpaying citizen has no awareness of what has and continues to happen.

A better solution in my opinion would be to do whatever we can diplomatically to advocate for better living conditions in the countries that these desperate people are fleeing from. But I agree, we cannot really afford to just let hundreds of thousands of migrants to just cross over at will. States do not have the resources to support that surge and there is the threat of unsavory and dangerous individuals and groups entering at will.

Like many problems I view this as one that should have been better addressed decades ago and has now spiraled out of control.

You have a system where you go and elect the representatives who do not serve your interests but instead that of the chosen people,

The migration that has you concerned is a symptom of this, one of many that are organized by those who are also starting the wars.

 

[armedoldhippy]

Like many problems I view this as one that should have been better addressed decades ago and has now spiraled out of control.

yes, it should have...but it has been a tool used by both parties for various reasons. a pox on both their houses!