2016 Outdoor Garden of Eden

[FoothillFarming]

O yea. Talking mistakes.

Didn't sleep well, only got a 2 hours of sleep or so. Started at 5am spraying pure protein dry. Took pictures, cleared light dep crop, transplanted Cindy's, harvest pollen. However I didn't plan on redoing the sprinkler lines today.....Well, I should have remmembered the lines under the light dep plastic I was cutting away.......Sliced it clean through on all four lines.....Facepalm. Had to walk but up, grab parts and fix my F- up on a super hot, long, tiring day.

Thought you would all enjoy a laugh.

 

[FoothillFarming]

So here is a new one for me.

It's been 90+ for months with low humidity. I posted up my soil results, and a plant in the Mesopotamia mix has extremely low levels of PM.......WTF!!!!! If it's not one thing its another. Those tests were pretty good also. Tissue tests come in on Monday, so we will see if that sheds any light.

We are talking a 12 foot plant in my greenhouse. I might just yank it to save some problems. Either that or plastic an enclosure around it, and spray with some sulfur or something. I really don't want a mold magnet come harvest time.

 

[LostTribe]

I forgot about this pic. Cindy Males. Already harvested one, and is in the trash. These two are crazy stinky. One is dead on pre16' pineapple Cindy. The other is rotten baby diaper funk. Never had a male stink as bad as either of these. They are pretty good yielders for being outside then brought under t-5's.

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Thanks! Been working hard over here, trying to dial things in and record everything possible.



Thanks! This forum often hurts my moral, for many different reasons. I guess I am just a gluten for punishment. Your garden is one of the best on the boards, no doubt. The main thing I tell myself every year is get a great start, and never look back. If you look at guys like BYF or that Elvis guy on IG, they are veg masters. If you veg right, test everything before flower, then the rest is set up like dominoes. I am not saying I am there by any means, I could list 5,000 things I have done wrong. However I record my mistakes, test as mush as possible, and hope to be able to repeat and improve the next year. Sucks it takes 365 days to start again. However, that is what makes this a challenge.

Keep those 99 males going they look like nice studs!

Whats the ancient OG?

All the plants look perfect! That must be a son of a bitch to harvest all that! Makes my hands hurt just thinking about all that trim!

 

[FoothillFarming]

Ancient Og is probably the best outdoor plant known to man. Couple others compete, like blue dream, killer queen, ext. However no other giant plants that I know of, test at 26%.

Got some ancient pollen as well.

Harvest will be an adventure this year. In the past I have always trimmed myself. Last year I had over 45 days of 16 hours+ work trimming. This year if everything goes well, I should have 3-4 times the amount. Trimmers for sure this year.

 

[maxmurder]

indoor rooms once a week every week cept the last one, i go in and turn on the flouro, turn off my hid's, turn off exhaust fans, leave wall fans on, plug in sulfur burner (s) and leave for 1-2 hours. come back unplug burners and turn on exhaust, let it clear out, turn hid's back on and turn off flouros. i never get pm.
youre in a gh you could easily close it up at night for a couple hours a week and never get pm. maybe a couple burners if its big.
i saw some pm in my gh a couple weeks ago so i ran 3 burners in my 18 x 44.
if you do, make sure you keep them several feet below the cover, i had mine less than 2 feet from mine and left a yellow discoloration on my cover but it was time to swap out that skin any way.
terraplenish.com go there this stuff rocks.
yesterday i did a foliar in gh with a mixture of:
1/4 tsp micro 5000 (tanio 5-15-10)
1 mil pep c
125 mil terraplenish
5 mil albion ca
per gallon.

terraplenish says not to use any sticker/spreader.
that stuff on it's own will wipe out pm, you will still see a stain of the pm spot but pm is gone.
all organic, and it stinks.

 

[maxmurder]

or if you real good, you just keep your sap pH at 6.4 hahahahaha
i've done for short periods of time and never had pests or pm/botrytis in my gh.
the trick is KEEPING it 6.4 the whole time, i struggle with that part hahah.

 

[FoothillFarming]

I should recheck the plant sap ph. last time I checked it was 6.2, then soil tests came back with 100 ppm of potassium needed. I added the potassium in, and now I get pm......I have a light dep hoop house 3 feet away that I just harvested, zero mildew......

I should really get a sulfer burner. However, neem and azamax are the heart of my IPM. Isn't sulfur bad to dust with if using oils?

My greenhouse is 36x48 and 17' tall

 

[FoothillFarming]

BTW, just picked up two more rolls of Tenax Hortonova plant netting from Amazon. Can't remember where now, but some people were saying they came short.....Well, 7th roll this season and once again, just as they show on the website. 79" by 328ft. Arrived yesterday.

 

[maxmurder]

i've never dusted sulfur just vaporized it.
i have heard not to vape sulfur if you have sprayed oils recently.
i think it was ledsled that told me below 6.4= pm/botrytis
above 6.4= pest pressure

 

[slownickel]

Max,

What are you testing exactly and at what time of the day?

 

[LostTribe]

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So what kind of male female ratio you get so far on the C99? How many did you start with?

 

[FoothillFarming]

I can't remember how many beans came in the packs, but what I popped was two full packs. I know I have 12 females, and I am pretty sure I had eight males. If the packs had more than 10, maybe I had a dud or two.

If I see a runt seed, it gets tossed. I don't even bother.

 

[FoothillFarming]

Ok everybody, lets share. Today I have been on the phone with Bill Mckibben and had a good long conversation about cannabis crops, what data they have and what crop guidelines they have come up with. I shared my farming techniques, my soil, paste, and tissue samples and it sounds like I am doing a good job. He also gave me plant recommendations for free, as we exchanged info freely. I offered to be a guinea pig if they ever need one, so maybe I will be doing some very light consulting in the near future.

Next I have an appointment with Bruce Tainio, the microbe master. I usually use ACT's to up my microbial populations, but as you will see, my Mg levels are way too high to be using a molasses tea. I already sent him over my soil, paste and tissue samples, so I am confident I am getting accurate recommendations.

So why not share all this with my IC family? Before I share, I want other so chime in, and tell me what their Rx's would be. This isn't about calling out somebody that doesn't fully understand, or showing off for somebody that fully understands. This is about a fun way to learn soil recommendations. I will try to refute or back up the information the best way I know how, and I will post up Mr. McKibben and Mr Tainio Rx's last. Sound fun? Or just nerdy?

This represents about 500$ in testing. Hope everybody enjoys.
I have no idea how to post my last test.......It's a pdf and I need a jpg......anyways, let discuss. Balls in your court guys.

 

[Stone House]

FF, now and in the past I have just "crossed my fingers" as to mixing amendments each year, all this data still confuses me (old man syndrome).
I don't have the skills to advise you about your soil but next year maybe you can advise me on making my soil optimal.
Reading this thread is like going back to school for me LOL
Keep up the good work and keep passing those skills to myself and others.

 

[cbcool]

I don't know a whole, but the way I understand with your tissue analysis, isnt Ca, K, N supposed to be equal to each other? So I would think you would need to foliar Ca K to bring those % equal to N.

Am I correct in my thinking or am I way off base? Im with stone house still trying to learn and figure all this out.

 

[LostTribe]

Ok everybody, lets share. Today I have been on the phone with Bill Mckibben and had a good long conversation about cannabis crops, what data they have and what crop guidelines they have come up with. I shared my farming techniques, my soil, paste, and tissue samples and it sounds like I am doing a good job. He also gave me plant recommendations for free, as we exchanged info freely. I offered to be a guinea pig if they ever need one, so maybe I will be doing some very light consulting in the near future.

Next I have an appointment with Bruce Tainio, the microbe master. I usually use ACT's to up my microbial populations, but as you will see, my Mg levels are way too high to be using a molasses tea. I already sent him over my soil, paste and tissue samples, so I am confident I am getting accurate recommendations.

So why not share all this with my IC family? Before I share, I want other so chime in, and tell me what their Rx's would be. This isn't about calling out somebody that doesn't fully understand, or showing off for somebody that fully understands. This is about a fun way to learn soil recommendations. I will try to refute or back up the information the best way I know how, and I will post up Mr. McKibben and Mr Tainio Rx's last. Sound fun? Or just nerdy?

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This represents about 500$ in testing. Hope everybody enjoys.
I have no idea how to post my last test.......It's a pdf and I need a jpg......anyways, let discuss. Balls in your court guys.

Well I am pretty new to organic soils and amendments but from my book it looks like if you need to increase your potassium while trying to maintain the rest of your levels I am looking at Greensand 0-0-3, slow release lasts along time 3-5 years. Also helps increase water retention is clay and sandy soils. I know it contains close to 3% potash as well as some iron, magnesium and other trace minerals. Might be totally wrong?

Maybe hardwood ash but doesn't that affect ph?

 

[Avenger]

Thanks for sharing the results. From the tissue analysis I have seen of cannabis, the levels of several of the nutrients change considerably through the growth of the plant. Can you share the guidelines Logan shared with you?

Compared to other cannabis tissue analysis that i have seen, your in the adequate range for most if not all of the elements. Your nitrogen and phosphorus I would say is on the high end of the adequate range, and calcium and potassium are on the lower end of adequate. Your tissue magnesium seems to be right about where it should be, IME. Copper, Manganese and zinc are a little low.

I would have been interested in the silicon content of the tissue as well.


For peatmoss based media I personally would rather see several SME analysis through out the season than the MelichIII. I just do not have any faith in the CECsum method with such high organic content, low bulk density media. Your SME analysis shows high phosphorus and low calcium and potassium, magnesium looks fine in it, IME.

 

[plantingplants]

Thanks! This forum often hurts my moral, for many different reasons. I guess I am just a gluten for punishment. Your garden is one of the best on the boards, no doubt. The main thing I tell myself every year is get a great start, and never look back. If you look at guys like BYF or that Elvis guy on IG, they are veg masters. If you veg right, test everything before flower, then the rest is set up like dominoes. I am not saying I am there by any means, I could list 5,000 things I have done wrong. However I record my mistakes, test as mush as possible, and hope to be able to repeat and improve the next year. Sucks it takes 365 days to start again. However, that is what makes this a challenge.

Thanks foothill you only say that because I haven't uploaded pictures of the shitty half lol. I think you're right. Gotta dial the veg in. It's amazing how fast some people's plants grow.

So those tissue analyses-- is one from a deficient leaf? Have you compared the numbers?

 

[slownickel]

Using the data from the leaf analysis in the Cannabinoid Profile article,

The data from Footsies' leaf analysis goes like this.

N- 4.96 % vs article data range 1.7 - 2.5% *Highest THC at 2.5% N
P- .43% vs article data range .15-.37% *Highest THC at .19% and 2nd highest .37%.
K- 2.21% vs"" 1.8-4.1% *HTHC 2.4%
Ca-2.11% vs"" 2.4-8.3% *HTHC 8.3%
Mg-0.38% vs .25-.74% HTHC .29%
S- .68% vs. .26-.54% HTHC .30%
B- 41ppm vs 150-300 ppm HTHC 190ppm
Fe 92ppm vs84-216 ppm HTHC 97ppm
Mn 18ppm vs 76-602 ppm HTHC 152ppm
Zn 8 ppm vs 71-112 ppm HTHC 83ppm
Cu 1.7ppm vs 7-16 ppm HTHC 11ppm

High Nitrogen, good P, low K, low Ca, good Mg and Fe, low S, low Mn, low B, low Zn and Cu.

Missing aluminum.

 

[LostTribe]

I guess I am gonna have to look into all this testing man Y'all are a step ahead of the game if you ask me shit!