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2008, a time for a change, but who will it be, who do we all vote for?!?!
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crazed
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I've been hearing a bunch about Ron Paul in the past couple weeks as well. This guy has a kind of grass-roots (no pun intended) vibe to him because he's not taking corporate donations and has such a strong internet backing. The worst case scenario is that he loses at primaries, but at least he has all the publicity from this election to give him a jump start should he try again in 2012 (damn that seems far away). If his momentum continues at this rate I wouldn't be surprised if he became a household name by the end of his run. At least then he won't be a complete stranger from the get-go in '12.
My only major problem with him is his stand on abortion. As I understand, he's in favor of abortions in life-threatening situations, but that's it. Speaking candidly, I'm not a woman so when it comes down to the nitty gritty it isn't as important to me as it would be if I lacked the Y chromosome.
On the other hand, as has been mentioned, he has enough brain cells to know the War on Drugs failed, he's in favor of abolishing affirmative action (aka 'reverse' discrimination), and keeping non-violent offenders out of jail or at least in jail for less time. In general he's also in favor for giving more power to the states, which I think is another good idea.
My only major problem with him is his stand on abortion. As I understand, he's in favor of abortions in life-threatening situations, but that's it. Speaking candidly, I'm not a woman so when it comes down to the nitty gritty it isn't as important to me as it would be if I lacked the Y chromosome.
On the other hand, as has been mentioned, he has enough brain cells to know the War on Drugs failed, he's in favor of abolishing affirmative action (aka 'reverse' discrimination), and keeping non-violent offenders out of jail or at least in jail for less time. In general he's also in favor for giving more power to the states, which I think is another good idea.
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Hello all,
I surely do think highly of all that are becoming more politically aware and are looking forward to casting a vote.
But, in all my reading of this thread is high emphasis on the canidates lean on MJ and the war on drugs.
Let me ask you this - with all the other issues on the table (ie Iraq, global warming, oil, China, N.Korea and Iran to name a few) is it not just a bit short sighted to consdier the candidates MJ views guide yours?
I hope not as we need real change and its not all going to happen over night.
As to MJ, particularely MMJ, more and more states are proposing legislation for MMJ. That is a statewide victory and if it means eventual legallizaton piecemeal then so be it.
The war on MJ is indeed perpetuated at least in part byt he pharmicutical corps to keep something with so many medical benifits (not to mention by-products of numerous dimensions) and that can be grown for free under federal mandate. I does not serve them...it is in fact a threat to thier bottom line. As a side note, the pharmicuitical industries/healthcare systems in the US have vital economic control over the economy along with the Military Indsutrail Complex and the energy corps. They wield enormous power through Polical Action Groups or PACS.
Anyway, I have no one favorite canidate but I believe the country will not elect a woman or Obama. The guy out of Oregon is a loss cannon.
Richardson is looking good but I am not clear on his stance of immigration. Oh, and I wish he would do something to raign in the pink underwear sheriff. OPPS, wrong state
Anyway, with all the issues out there, please do not make MJ your only criteria.
Just my view...no need for haters.
minds_I
I surely do think highly of all that are becoming more politically aware and are looking forward to casting a vote.
But, in all my reading of this thread is high emphasis on the canidates lean on MJ and the war on drugs.
Let me ask you this - with all the other issues on the table (ie Iraq, global warming, oil, China, N.Korea and Iran to name a few) is it not just a bit short sighted to consdier the candidates MJ views guide yours?
I hope not as we need real change and its not all going to happen over night.
As to MJ, particularely MMJ, more and more states are proposing legislation for MMJ. That is a statewide victory and if it means eventual legallizaton piecemeal then so be it.
The war on MJ is indeed perpetuated at least in part byt he pharmicutical corps to keep something with so many medical benifits (not to mention by-products of numerous dimensions) and that can be grown for free under federal mandate. I does not serve them...it is in fact a threat to thier bottom line. As a side note, the pharmicuitical industries/healthcare systems in the US have vital economic control over the economy along with the Military Indsutrail Complex and the energy corps. They wield enormous power through Polical Action Groups or PACS.
Anyway, I have no one favorite canidate but I believe the country will not elect a woman or Obama. The guy out of Oregon is a loss cannon.
Richardson is looking good but I am not clear on his stance of immigration. Oh, and I wish he would do something to raign in the pink underwear sheriff. OPPS, wrong state
Anyway, with all the issues out there, please do not make MJ your only criteria.
Just my view...no need for haters.
minds_I
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I've been disgusted with what has happened in the past eight years. The US, and the world for that matter, is undeniably a different place for many reasons. We absolutely need change, and not just based on MJ. I will definitely be looking at this election in great detail. It sux to feel like we are in a hopeless situation. We need to band together and make as many people aware as possible. There are many things at stake that are far more important than MJ(although this is a personal concern of mine). Just ask the Polar Bears!
Peace, Mr.M
Peace, Mr.M
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Mr.M said:
There may be other things that are more important than mj in this election. However, IC is the only location that I've seen that has attempted to examine the topic.
Consider that 70 to 80 percent of the people are OK with mmj. For the US press and politicians to be so quiet on the topic is amazing.
crazed
New member
Let's not also forget the textile/cotton industry which feels threatened by the endless uses of hemp fiber.minds_I said:
What we really need to do is stop lobbyist groups all together. Let the people speak with their votes and not with special interest groups with deep pockets.
Even if Ron Paul weren't pro-marijuana, he would have my vote. While that's important to me, it's not that high on the list of priorities for my president. I like his stance on everything, minus abortion. I support his views though, him being a doctor that has delivered more than 4,000 babies. I am pro-choice, but I've never delivered a child. I really think that would have an effect on my views.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Ron_Paul
There's a good summary of his views on most subjects.
It would require massive change, I don't know that they would want to.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Ron_Paul
There's a good summary of his views on most subjects.
Bob Labla said:
It would require massive change, I don't know that they would want to.
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cooter1
Member
Ron Paul all the way ......................................
He has a chance .............
That is if some igets would turn off their TV’s and ignore the media which has dictated every election simply by not giving coverage.
Remember most important news is what they don’t cover, they don’t call it programming for nothing. And every time I see someone say he doesn’t have a chance I see another victim of programming...ignore all that and go with what you know is right not what might have a better chance.
It sends a message and like most politicians if they see a candidate running up and close they’ll jump on the bandwagon of the American populace and their wants ...it will be temporary though as we know. But a least they reaffirm to us they are lairs when they backpedal as all these political taggest do.
Vote for freedom Ron Paul, unless you like they idea of your children’s children’s war for corp.-dictators who decide what’s good for you and if you have enough freedom because your too stupid in their honest opinion.
OPPS forgot a point..anyone remember this story???
This guy for pres. lol national insecurity is all well get from him........................we already have an open border which under his leadership blundered any sense of National Sovereignty
Story Filed: Friday, June 16, 2000 9:45 PM EDT
WASHINGTON (AP) -- Two computer hard drives containing nuclear secrets from the Los Alamos weapons lab have been found behind a copying machine within the lab's top-secret secure area and are being evaluated, the Energy Department and government sources said Friday.
Energy Secretary Bill Richardson said the two hard drives, believed to be the ones that disappeared more than six weeks ago, were in an area that apparently had been searched before. Richardson said investigators are looking into ``inconsistencies'' surrounding the whereabouts of the devices.
He has a chance .............
That is if some igets would turn off their TV’s and ignore the media which has dictated every election simply by not giving coverage.
Remember most important news is what they don’t cover, they don’t call it programming for nothing. And every time I see someone say he doesn’t have a chance I see another victim of programming...ignore all that and go with what you know is right not what might have a better chance.
It sends a message and like most politicians if they see a candidate running up and close they’ll jump on the bandwagon of the American populace and their wants ...it will be temporary though as we know. But a least they reaffirm to us they are lairs when they backpedal as all these political taggest do.
Vote for freedom Ron Paul, unless you like they idea of your children’s children’s war for corp.-dictators who decide what’s good for you and if you have enough freedom because your too stupid in their honest opinion.
OPPS forgot a point..anyone remember this story???
This guy for pres. lol national insecurity is all well get from him........................we already have an open border which under his leadership blundered any sense of National Sovereignty
Story Filed: Friday, June 16, 2000 9:45 PM EDT
WASHINGTON (AP) -- Two computer hard drives containing nuclear secrets from the Los Alamos weapons lab have been found behind a copying machine within the lab's top-secret secure area and are being evaluated, the Energy Department and government sources said Friday.
Energy Secretary Bill Richardson said the two hard drives, believed to be the ones that disappeared more than six weeks ago, were in an area that apparently had been searched before. Richardson said investigators are looking into ``inconsistencies'' surrounding the whereabouts of the devices.
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crazed
New member
It's more the cotton industry specifically than the textile industry as a whole.Bob Labla said:
Hemp fiber poses a serious threat to their crop. I'm not sure which is easier to process, but I'm fairly certain that you can gain much more fiber per acre from hemp than cotton. That's just going by my own judgment, I don't know if that's a fact.
Wiimote
Member
Does anyone REALLY think that Hillary or Obama could win? I mean really. I don't want to sound racist or anti-feminist, but let's be honest. There are a LOT of racist and/or anti-feminists in this country. I personally know three people that have never voted, but will vote, JUST to make sure that neither Hillary nor Obama get elected. I know three people won't swing a national election, but what if everyone knows three people that feel the same way?
Fifty years ago, blacks were still being hung in rather public displays, and were generally considered a second rate citizen. Sure, they were "free" but separate was still equal then. Fifty years ago, the concept of a "career woman" was unheard of. I mean the 70's is when the feminists made their big push into mainstream society. Yes women were "free" fifty years ago, but the "Little Mrs." knew her "place". We have made great strides as a society in regards to these issues, but have we made large enough ones that would allow a majority of voters to be governed by Obama and/or Hillary? Personally, I think not.
Ever since Hillary and Obama became the "front-runners", I've felt that they are a setup. Pick your poison (of many available) on who you think is behind the setup (I don't even have a guess to that question). It seems like either those two are being setup, (pump them up early to watch the crash like a soap opera, side benefit that it makes the "Party" look like race/gender doesn't matter) or that the Dem party itself is being setup for failure.
Maybe deep down I really am a woman hating racist pig, but I just don't see America voting for either of those two, based solely on their race and gender.
Fifty years ago, blacks were still being hung in rather public displays, and were generally considered a second rate citizen. Sure, they were "free" but separate was still equal then. Fifty years ago, the concept of a "career woman" was unheard of. I mean the 70's is when the feminists made their big push into mainstream society. Yes women were "free" fifty years ago, but the "Little Mrs." knew her "place". We have made great strides as a society in regards to these issues, but have we made large enough ones that would allow a majority of voters to be governed by Obama and/or Hillary? Personally, I think not.
Ever since Hillary and Obama became the "front-runners", I've felt that they are a setup. Pick your poison (of many available) on who you think is behind the setup (I don't even have a guess to that question). It seems like either those two are being setup, (pump them up early to watch the crash like a soap opera, side benefit that it makes the "Party" look like race/gender doesn't matter) or that the Dem party itself is being setup for failure.
Maybe deep down I really am a woman hating racist pig, but I just don't see America voting for either of those two, based solely on their race and gender.
i think hilary or obama are likely to win because they are different sex/race wise. honestly with the way the war is polling i can say with high certainty that unless gore steps in its between obama and hilary. i think that as many people there are that share the views your 3 friends have theres 10x that in women or blacks that would vote just to see their sex/race in the office. after that, they are just the most popular democrats. democrats will win because america is tired of the war, that is unless my man ron paul gets some love.
I feel having Hillary/Obama on the Dem ticket gives Ron Paul more of a fighting chance,
Basically for the reasons Wiimote is saying
Basically for the reasons Wiimote is saying
If Ron Paul gets some serious media attention, I think he's got a very good chance. If they keep him in the shadows though, people won't know about him. I've never had the chance to vote before, and I'm going to do all the things I can around my area to spread info on Ron Paul.
cooter1
Member
10,001...and counting!
10,001...and counting!
Wiimote- good post , because its true lets hope those freedom hatin turds hilary and oboma get the ticket...go Ron Paul
As of May 23, 2007
At 4:46 p.m. ET today, Congressman Ron Paul's YouTube channel registered 10,001 subscribers! Dr. Paul now has nearly twice as many subscribers as Barack Obama who is in second place.
Here are the current numbers:
Paul - 10,001
Obama - 5,768
Clinton - 3,212
Edwards - 2,764
Romney - 2,014
Kucinich - 1,732
Giuliani - 1,389
McCain - 1,259
Gravel - 885
Richardson - 790
Biden - 589
Hunter - 402
Dodd - 230
Huckabee - 205
Tancredo - 190
Brownback - 96
Gilmore - 50.
Ron Paul 2008 YouTube Channel
http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=RonPaul2008dotcom
10,001...and counting!
Wiimote- good post , because its true lets hope those freedom hatin turds hilary and oboma get the ticket...go Ron Paul
As of May 23, 2007
At 4:46 p.m. ET today, Congressman Ron Paul's YouTube channel registered 10,001 subscribers! Dr. Paul now has nearly twice as many subscribers as Barack Obama who is in second place.
Here are the current numbers:
Paul - 10,001
Obama - 5,768
Clinton - 3,212
Edwards - 2,764
Romney - 2,014
Kucinich - 1,732
Giuliani - 1,389
McCain - 1,259
Gravel - 885
Richardson - 790
Biden - 589
Hunter - 402
Dodd - 230
Huckabee - 205
Tancredo - 190
Brownback - 96
Gilmore - 50.
Ron Paul 2008 YouTube Channel
http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=RonPaul2008dotcom
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stoned teacher
Sorry guys, I'm a Paul supporter, but a realist 
Paul's real only chance is as an independant, and with the media being what it is, he'll be ignored then he'll be crucified the second he looks like he has a real shot. Mainstream media is all big business + big government, and Paul is against all that. Let's not even get into the drastic change it would be to go back to a gold standard and end the Fed and it's inflationary practices, which he say's he'll do if he becomes Pres. No way the Media, big business, money having types are going to support such a measure. He's not the 30 second blip type. He's not half politician half actor/professional public speaker like the mainstream candidates. He'd never be the nominee of the Republican's (today).
Sorry, I know we may be down with it. Cast your vote to express your feeling that you want REAL change....your time and vote is worth that...but don't expect Paul to win a single electoral vote, even if he ran independant.
Paul's real only chance is as an independant, and with the media being what it is, he'll be ignored then he'll be crucified the second he looks like he has a real shot. Mainstream media is all big business + big government, and Paul is against all that. Let's not even get into the drastic change it would be to go back to a gold standard and end the Fed and it's inflationary practices, which he say's he'll do if he becomes Pres. No way the Media, big business, money having types are going to support such a measure. He's not the 30 second blip type. He's not half politician half actor/professional public speaker like the mainstream candidates. He'd never be the nominee of the Republican's (today).Sorry, I know we may be down with it. Cast your vote to express your feeling that you want REAL change....your time and vote is worth that...but don't expect Paul to win a single electoral vote, even if he ran independant.
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Ron Paul 08'
Whenver I see a local business with a Ron Paul sign out front, I make a concerted effort to stop by teh business purchase an item and let the manager/higher up know the reason why I am in your business is because you are supporting ron paul.
Its just under year till the primary, we got one hell of a headstart... Lets get committed and lets get active! I have never been the politically active type,,, Ron Paul will win Texas,,, and I will do everythin in my power to ensure my county votes Paul.
Get the word out,,, spread videos, get a bumper sticker,,, pass out flyers. GET PPL INFORMED,,,, we have to act as the media for paul,,, word of mouth trumps all cards,,,, domino effect,,,, ron paul has support across a wide swath of groups,,, young old conservative liberal anti-war(drug, nation building etc) both religous and non-religous... UNITED WE STAND,,, LETS GET THIS DONE.. WE WILL NOT STOP!
yah thats why hilary and obama voted for additional funding for the wars in the middle east... there top priority is bringing our troops home aye? rofl... not to mention they endorsed the measure stating that "all options are on the table" with dealing with Iran... is that the msg we want to be sending? read your history,,,, who got us into korea? vietnam? they are just passin the hat back and forth.... if the democrats wanted us out,,, they could do it tommoorw,,, just steam roll the executive office,,, keep sendin him an immediate withdrawal bill,,, if he keeps vetoing,,, the american ppl would figure out which senators/representaives were not voting to override the veto.... put heat on themm.... done! come on,,,, do your job,,, the biggest farce ive ever seen... 700billion dollars is already in the pipeline,,,, the additional funding isnt to take care of our troops, it is to spread and continue these wars of aggression... 700billion is plenty to start bringing our troops home. dont give me this shit, that anti funding is un-american and agaisnt our troops.... that ignsoc double speak holds no water around here,,, takes 2 secs of logical thinkin to disprove it, the only true anti-war candidates imo are ron paul, kucinich, and gravel.... gravel ballled obama in the first debates,,,, WHO ARE YOU GOIN TO NUKE OBAMA? "Mike Im not goin to nuke anyone, yet"...
Whenver I see a local business with a Ron Paul sign out front, I make a concerted effort to stop by teh business purchase an item and let the manager/higher up know the reason why I am in your business is because you are supporting ron paul.
Its just under year till the primary, we got one hell of a headstart... Lets get committed and lets get active! I have never been the politically active type,,, Ron Paul will win Texas,,, and I will do everythin in my power to ensure my county votes Paul.
Get the word out,,, spread videos, get a bumper sticker,,, pass out flyers. GET PPL INFORMED,,,, we have to act as the media for paul,,, word of mouth trumps all cards,,,, domino effect,,,, ron paul has support across a wide swath of groups,,, young old conservative liberal anti-war(drug, nation building etc) both religous and non-religous... UNITED WE STAND,,, LETS GET THIS DONE.. WE WILL NOT STOP!
Bob Labla said:
yah thats why hilary and obama voted for additional funding for the wars in the middle east... there top priority is bringing our troops home aye? rofl... not to mention they endorsed the measure stating that "all options are on the table" with dealing with Iran... is that the msg we want to be sending? read your history,,,, who got us into korea? vietnam? they are just passin the hat back and forth.... if the democrats wanted us out,,, they could do it tommoorw,,, just steam roll the executive office,,, keep sendin him an immediate withdrawal bill,,, if he keeps vetoing,,, the american ppl would figure out which senators/representaives were not voting to override the veto.... put heat on themm.... done! come on,,,, do your job,,, the biggest farce ive ever seen... 700billion dollars is already in the pipeline,,,, the additional funding isnt to take care of our troops, it is to spread and continue these wars of aggression... 700billion is plenty to start bringing our troops home. dont give me this shit, that anti funding is un-american and agaisnt our troops.... that ignsoc double speak holds no water around here,,, takes 2 secs of logical thinkin to disprove it, the only true anti-war candidates imo are ron paul, kucinich, and gravel.... gravel ballled obama in the first debates,,,, WHO ARE YOU GOIN TO NUKE OBAMA? "Mike Im not goin to nuke anyone, yet"...
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pd24EmZHmsY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CA4CxnAHh9s
RP on alex jones radio show yesterday^^^^ dropping lots of knowledge
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CA4CxnAHh9s
RP on alex jones radio show yesterday^^^^ dropping lots of knowledge
Stoney Mama
Member
I think the dems could put up a corpse and still have more likelihood of winning than an (R). There are too many people who have been shoved out from under the (R) umbrella time and time again, and even many of the party faithful are tired of their lies. That was before Bush started working for the DNC! 
Seriously, he's doing all the hard work for them. There are so many (R)'s who are pissed at him. I saw an article yesterday that claimed that GOP callers are being let go because no one is donating. It stated that many of the calls ended up in the caller being told off and a promise made NOT to support the GOP and that's what they'll get from me if they call my house. I've donated to Ron Paul's campaign, but the GOP can kiss my ass. http://www.washtimes.com/national/20070531-050131-2781r.htm
It's my opinion that Ron Paul is the (R)'s only chance at winning this election. The Republican party has lost many of their conservative voters such as myself, and will not be able to regain them by putting up another big government, big corporation, bigmouth.
We're tired of the chest pounding and fear mongering and ashamed of the fake conservatives who are gladly handing over their rights one-by-one just so they can have dry panties for a few days.
Seriously, he's doing all the hard work for them. There are so many (R)'s who are pissed at him. I saw an article yesterday that claimed that GOP callers are being let go because no one is donating. It stated that many of the calls ended up in the caller being told off and a promise made NOT to support the GOP and that's what they'll get from me if they call my house. I've donated to Ron Paul's campaign, but the GOP can kiss my ass. http://www.washtimes.com/national/20070531-050131-2781r.htmIt's my opinion that Ron Paul is the (R)'s only chance at winning this election. The Republican party has lost many of their conservative voters such as myself, and will not be able to regain them by putting up another big government, big corporation, bigmouth.
We're tired of the chest pounding and fear mongering and ashamed of the fake conservatives who are gladly handing over their rights one-by-one just so they can have dry panties for a few days.
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