2008, a time for a change, but who will it be, who do we all vote for?!?!

[Patsheba]

He has said he will use Bush's new Dictorial powers to undo everything that was done. If Bush can circumvent Congress to run this country into the ground the RP should be able to use it to do good for the citizens.

ARGHHH! And you almost had me sold.

I just can't believe using undemocratic methods to fix the problems will result in a better democracy.

“There are more instances of the abridgement of freedoms of the people by gradual and silent encroachment of those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations.”
- James Madison

Throughout the world's history, dictators do not relinquish any of their power once they've grabbed it. It takes a war. The most recent example, would of course be Saddam Hussein, another current, Castro; so even those not that well-versed in history can see the pattern. I am more versed in ancient history, but won't bore you with the details.

If you want Ron Paul to win, you must relay to him there is a better way. The democratic judicial system must apply to public servants! What Americans want to hear from a candidate, is that legal charges will be made against public officials who have been blatantly ignoring and flaunting and writing the laws, who now can hide behind "malfeasance in office" and getting slaps on the wrist, with illegally obtained funds comfy in their bank accounts. If anything more than a resignation is requested, which is the current norm.

There is no distinctly native American criminal class save Congress.
–Mark Twain

Martha Stuart goes to jail for taking advice from her stock broker, the man she pays for advice. So why hasn't Diane Feinstein gone to jail for delibrately being informed of which Iraq-related bids were from her husbands companies; when THE LAW SPELLS OUT "BLIND BIDS" while on the Appropriations Committee. She claims coincidence, that all his companys' contracts were the ones accepted (billions of tax $)? After discovery in 2005, she resigned from the Appropriations Committee. She is still a long term member of the Ethics Committee, charged with overseeing investigations of these type of criminal actions within Congress.

Ms. Feinstein broke a law that any one else would go to jail for. The general public needs a candidate who commits to prosecuting these type of acts, where American taxpayer money is literally stolen by public officials, and not just with the "malfeasance while in office" and the actual Criminal charges if it was in the public sector, but TREASON, gross and delibrate missuse of public office! Currently, we even pay retired officials convicted of "malfeasance in office" an average of $150,000 a year "retirement pay," full medical (100%) among other benefits to death. Even if they only served one month!

When once a republic is corrupted, there is no possibility of remedying any of the growing evils but by removing the corruption and restoring its lost principles; every other correction is either useless or a new evil.”
- Thomas Jefferson

It is not democracy if there are two sets of laws, and there can be no democracy by "utilizing dictatorship" powers.

With his excellent track record of government service AND knowledge AND experience, Mr. Paul should recognize that.

What party is he running with again?

 

[Stoney Mama]

Someone is going to use those new powers that Bush has given the seat of the Presidency. I'd rather it be someone ethical with reverence to the constitution as opposed to a neocon with reverence to power or a democrat with reverence to power. But that's just me.

I think you misunderstand also, that he will use those powers to undo them. From any other candidate that wouldn't make sense because we all know that politicians don't give up power or money. Well, IMHO, Paul is not a politician, but a statesman and he proves that annually when he returns money from his allocated budget to the treasury. He has done this every year that he's been in office in 2000, the sum returned was $50,000.

 

[Bob Labla]

Someone is going to use those new powers that Bush has given the seat of the Presidency. I'd rather it be someone ethical with reverence to the constitution as opposed to a neocon with reverence to power or a democrat with reverence to power. But that's just me.

I think you misunderstand also, that he will use those powers to undo them. From any other candidate that wouldn't make sense because we all know that politicians don't give up power or money. Well, IMHO, Paul is not a politician, but a statesman and he proves that annually when he returns money from his allocated budget to the treasury. He has done this every year that he's been in office in 2000, the sum returned was $50,000.

thats what really sparked my interest in him. a politician returning money!?!?!!

 

[Bob Labla]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88RE...paul-owns-guy-in-1988-debate-on-war-on-drugs/

just found this old RP vid and it made me LOL. its some tv show in 1988 and hes defending his stance on the war on drugs.

 

[minds_I]

Hello all,

Yes, I have been speaking to people about RP.

I tell them , that at least for me, RP is is the most refreshing canidate for president since I began voting int he 70's.

I just tell them to listen to the man speak.

minds_I

 

[Guest]

Ron Paul's record is absolutely bullet-proof. His voting record. His record running for office - 3 times, elected against incumbents! He has taken tough stands (the only dood in the room standing, more often than not) on tons of tough issues, showing himself the entire time to be an articulate, intelligent and thoughtful human being. I wish I could say the same for the sadistic horse's maws that are the men Ron Paul is being forced to run against, daring to call themselves republicans.

Seriously. If you're a democrat, I suggest you convert right here and right now, come on over to the side of reason, abandon your paranoid fears, and make sure this guy's name is grudgingly printed on every ballot in the USA come November 2008. Hillary Clinton or Barak Obama? Bitch, please. You know the rest. It'll be more of the same for 4 or 8 more bloody gruesome years before we all get this chance again, this chance to sit with our thumbs in our asses, wondering the whole time if we'll ever stand up, if anything will ever actually change.

He's pro-self defense. He's pro-pot. He promises he'll abolish the income tax. And a spotless record. Let's see what we can do together, Americans. If I can do it, you all can do it too.

 

[cooter1]

http://www.smartup.tv/video/21589-ron-paul-speech-at-the-uptown-theater-in-kc-on-june-15-2007.html

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5970900030718248289&hl=en

Ron Paul speech at the Uptown Theater in KC on June 15, 2007
medical marijauna subject comes up during his speech around minute 20-22

edit add:On Friday (June 15, 2007) Rep. Paul introduced H.R. 2755 To abolish the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System and the Federal reserve banks, to repeal the Federal Reserve Act, and for other purposes.

Call your representatives and insist that they cosponsor hr2755!!!

Google "ron paul h.r. 2755" for more information

another edit add: http://www.ronpaulstreetteam.com/video.html
that link has all the good videos in 1 area,plus ron pauls postions found here http://www.ronpaulstreetteam.com/education.html

 

[bluebublelove]

I've been hearing alot of talk about ron paul and have supported him since before this year.....if everyone rallys behind him, he could be the one to conduct the pivot in out countries way of thinking.

 

[Stoney Mama]

I hope that you'll actively work toward that end, blue and everyone else too!

Check out meetup.com and see if there are any Ron Paul meetup groups in your area. We are his only chance as he, unlike his opponents, won't "miss work" to campaign, and won't take money to campaign on from lobbyists and companies who seek to buy his favor.

WE are it. We need to be out there spreading his message even if it's just by putting on a bumper sticker or a t-shirt like ladyjade http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4oDx0Q50EJw

I'll admit that I don't agree with him on every aspect, but since his allegiance is to the constition, I have no worries that our differences will ever amount to more than differences in opinion as he does not think it's the feds role to control our lives and is willing to leave it up to the states, where the citizens have more control, as it should be.

 

[cooter1]

Good post stoney moma
I dont agree with ron paul on every aspect either , but as you said his allegiance is to the constition, I have no worries that our differences will ever amount to more than differences in opinion as he does not think it's the feds role to control our lives and is willing to leave it up to the states, where the citizens have more control, as it should be.

thats right, take abortion its a touchy subject, if your in a state that supports it and dont like it move, simple ..where the govt now tries to federalize everything as the subject i mentioned or name any. The same case would be for mmj some states would probaly not allow it by law. So again move to state that will allow it, but heres the kicker no federal enforcment banging down doors as they do now in mmj freindly states.

 

[Guest]

IMO, Ron Paul is the best chance for change in this country. Putting power in states hands, and getting rid of the IRS should be enough for most people to vote for him. Too bad I don't have much faith in our people or system.

 

[Stoney Mama]

Well, here's a perfect example of how underhanded these lobbyists and politicos are:

We have one presidential candidate who says "Do away with the federal income tax!", NEVER in his 10 years in office has he cast a yes vote for increased taxes or waste taxpayer dollars and a group who claims to be for tax relief, is refusing to invite him to their upcoming debate!

Why are they doing this? I'll tell you why, they make their money by donations from citizens who want tax relief and they have built their careers as lobbyists. What would happen if Ron Paul were elected and was successful in his bid to relieve tax payers of the unconstitutional income tax? That's right, THEY'D BE OUT OF WORK!

This is a man who, rather than vote yes to spend tax payer dollars issuing medals to people like Mother Theresa, etc, stood on the floor of congress, pulled money out of his own pocket, offered to chip in his own money to fund the recognitions, and invited the rest of our congressmen to do the same (they obviously didn't think it was important enough to spend THEIR money so they spent ours).

http://ronpaul2008.typepad.com/ron_paul_2008/2007/06/ron_paul_exclud.html

Ron Paul Excluded in Iowa

Iowans for Tax Relief and Iowa Christian Alliance will host a presidential candidates forum on Saturday, June 30th in Des Moines. Republican presidential candidates Mitt Romney, Sam Brownback, Jim Gilmore, Mike Huckabee, Tommy Thompson, and Tom Tancredo will participate.

Ron Paul, however, will not participate. Why? Because he wasn’t invited.

We heard about this forum from numerous supporters in Iowa who asked why Dr. Paul was not going to participate. Those supporters assumed that Dr. Paul was invited.

The campaign office had not received an invitation so we called this morning; thinking we might have misplaced the invitation or simply overlooked it. Lew Moore, our campaign manager, called Mr. Edward Failor, an officer of Iowans for Tax Relief, to ask about it. To our shock, Mr. Failor told us Dr. Paul was not invited; he was not going to be invited; and he would not be allowed to participate. And when asked why, Mr. Failor refused to explain. The call ended.

Lew then called Mr. Steve Sheffler, president of the Iowa Christian Alliance, to talk with him. Mr. Sheffler did not answer so Lew left a message. He has yet to respond.

Why are the Iowans for Tax Relief and the Iowa Christian Alliance excluding the one Republican candidate who scored at the top of every online poll taken after the MSNBC, Fox News, and CNN debates? Why are they denying Iowans the opportunity to hear from the Republican presidential candidate whose popularity is growing by the day?

We couldn’t get answers to these questions from Messrs. Failor and Sheffler. Maybe you’ll have better luck. Their contact information is below.

It's ironic that on the same day we learned the Iowans for Tax Relief and the Iowa Christian Alliance excluded Dr. Paul from their candidates forum, we received a call from ABC News confirming Dr. Paul’s participation in its nationally broadcast August 5th debate to be held in Des Moines.

Kent Snyder, Chairman
Ron Paul 2008

Contact Information

Edward Failor
Iowans for Tax Relief
2610 Park Avenue
Muscatine, Iowa 52761
Phone: 563-288-3600 or 877-913-3600
Fax: 563-264-2413
E-mail: [email protected]

Steve Sheffler, President
Iowa Christian Alliance
939 Office Park Road, Suite 115
West Des Moines, Iowa 50265
Phone: 515-225-1515
Fax: 515-225-1826
E-mail: [email protected]

This is simply disgusting! I hope that y'all will sign the petition:
http://www.petitiononline.com/rp063007/petition.html

 

[Stoney Mama]

Even when he wasn't in office, Ron Paul refused to be a part of the tax machine.

As the only practicing ob-gyn in his county, Dr. Paul refused to take medicaide or medicare. He did not turn these patients away, he gave them care either for free or for drastically reduced costs. At the same time, he was working for $3 an hour to provide another much needed emergency doctor at a nearby hospital.

A doctor offering care for free for people who couldn't afford to pay? That bastard!

 

[Guest]

Hate to be pessimistic, cause I dig him also, but after what happened last Nov and the way things have turned out since, how in the world can you have any faith in the politico system?! Won't matter who gets elected, its painfully obvious there is a game in town to play in Washington, and once you get there, if you want any pie, you will play accordingly. No ifs ands or buts bout it. And Im sour on the lobbyiests, I even think Norml has turned into a sort of legal lobby machine, possibly for their own atty's.LOL how come you never see them involved in the Cali dispensary problems and such?! And if thats the model to learn from, all this state mj legislation is nice on paper, but if the big boys still keep busting them...?! Just my opinion, but its hard for me to see how the movement has come forward much.

 

[Stoney Mama]

I agree Beacon! I am sick of the politico system and I don't trust ANY of them, except Dr. Paul.

The reason that I trust him is because I've been following his voting record and his stances for years. He is the only person on the hill who has actually consistently voted the way he campaigned. Look up his voting record. There's 10 years worth of it to verify that he is exactly what he claims.

And that's why I'm so eager to see him gain the Presidency. If those of us who are disgusted with the process simply stay home, then we lose automatically. We have got to stand up and be heard and the primaries is the place to do that.

If we don't, we wind up like the Jews of the torah who refused to fight on the sabbath so they were wholly slaughtered on the sabbath until they decided that enough was enough.

Enough is enough.

 

[cooter1]

a little blast from the past with Ron Paul,lol
watch Ron Paul take on Morton Downey Jr.'s audience 1988
minute long clip http://youtube.com/watch?v=88REf0tjZHo

another edit add:Ron Paul in CNN debate on June 5, 2007
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwJKGfAWQUo

 

[cooter1]

Well, here's a perfect example of how underhanded these lobbyists and politicos are:

We have one presidential candidate who says "Do away with the federal income tax!", NEVER in his 10 years in office has he cast a yes vote for increased taxes or waste taxpayer dollars and a group who claims to be for tax relief, is refusing to invite him to their upcoming debate!

Why are they doing this? I'll tell you why, they make their money by donations from citizens who want tax relief and they have built their careers as lobbyists. What would happen if Ron Paul were elected and was successful in his bid to relieve tax payers of the unconstitutional income tax? That's right, THEY'D BE OUT OF WORK!

This is a man who, rather than vote yes to spend tax payer dollars issuing medals to people like Mother Theresa, etc, stood on the floor of congress, pulled money out of his own pocket, offered to chip in his own money to fund the recognitions, and invited the rest of our congressmen to do the same (they obviously didn't think it was important enough to spend THEIR money so they spent ours).

http://ronpaul2008.typepad.com/ron_paul_2008/2007/06/ron_paul_exclud.html


This is simply disgusting! I hope that y'all will sign the petition:
http://www.petitiononline.com/rp063007/petition.html

Stoney Ron Paul was not invited because of what he says in the video link here...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qI5lC4Z_T80

The FairTax group wants to basically flatten the taxes. In a previous speech

Paul said of the FairTax “I’m just afraid we’ll get both (the national sales tax and the income tax)

That’s why Paul is unpopular with this group.

 

[Stoney Mama]

LOL cooter1! I love that clip! Thanks for posting it. This is not the fairtax group, they're different, I think. Edit: you're right, the fairtax group is a sponsor of the event.

Jan Mickelson of WHO News Radio 1040 in Des Moines interviewed Ron Paul 2008 chairman Kent Snyder about Ron Paul being excluded from the upcoming candidates forum sponsored by Iowans for Tax Relief and Iowa Christian Alliance. Ed Failor of Iowans for Tax Relief joined the interview later to explain why his group decided to keep Ron Paul out."Congressman Ron Paul isn't welcome at the Iowans for Tax Relief and Iowa Christian Alliance candidates forum. Oversight? Nope. Kent Snyder from Ron Paul's campaign and Ed Failor from ITR exchange words. Lotsa them." -- Wednesday, June 20, 2007, WHO News Radio 1040

Direct Download of MP3 File (interview starts at 1:01:16)http://media.libsyn.com/media/mickelson/mickelson-2007-06-20.mp3

 

[Stoney Mama]

OMG! Listen to what this guy says at around 12:53 "What do you do then [...] if the Iranians cut off OUR oil supplies[...]"

DUDE, IT'S NOT OUR OIL!

 

[Stoney Mama]

You know what really cracks me up?

These people who say that the blowback theory "blames us"... don't even realize that their theory "They hate us for our free lifestyles" blames us too! Either theory puts something we did or do as their reason... but only one reason is really plausible.

Stupid stupid stupid people.