150w HPS Club and Resource Guide......

[sugabear_II]

OB1 sativa pheno bud porn day 80

OB1 sativa pheno bud porn day 80

and still going - almost done though judging by pistals.

 

[jasonk]

The one at my Princess auto is the round kind of security light that hangs on a post or something. Looks different then that box style one. Maybe they dont have the same exact one.

 

[BonsaiGrower]

JasonK ... at the Princess Auto I was at they had the box style 150w same as the one in the link and they also had the 70w Round Hanging style. You may have been looking at the 70w version. Just a thought.

Cheers

 

[Bulénath]

...almost there!

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Prettier than the Indica, though both are sexy in their own, unique way.

Wonder if she will finish in 90 days...

 

[carlosdedurango]

HI,i just got my 100w hps hooked just today my question. how far should i keep my light away from my baby plant it has allready 2 sets of leaves looking good so far.is it ok if my light system gets hot in the middle i guess that is where the bulb is this nor. it been on for 3 hours allready i think i am going to veg for 1 week 18/6 right? then go to 12/12 to flower right.i wana keep my plants small i have 2 plants right now in a 3 gallon pot or 2gallon pot. one is looking really good tho should i stick to one plant only? well please let me know thank you peace

 

[jasonk]

BonsaiGrower - The round one I was looking at is 150W, maybe different stores have different inventory. No biggy.

carlosdedurango - From what Ive read the bulb shuold be high enough so u can put ur hand above the plant without it getting too hot. Im not sure the same thing applies to babys or not.

Looking very nice sugabear, cant wait til I start producing real plants. haha

For my plant right now which I just took from outdoor I was only feeding water. Im now adding a couple of teaspoons of 5-10-5 fish fertilizer to 2 litres of water every 4 days. It probably has 2-3 weeks left. Is this right? is there anythign else I shold be adding in to pack on that last little bid of weight?

 

[Bulénath]

Carlos,
Try vegging atleast 2 weeks, then flower. If your plants are just little babies then you need to keep them about 12"-14" away from the bulb at first, then slowly move them closer to the bulb at roughly 1-2" per day. Also your plants are growing fast, so even with the tiny 1-2" bump, they will still strech toward the light on their own. Remeber once you switch to 12/12 your plants are going to strech big time. At this point, just as mentioned above, use the back of your hand to tell what the limit is.


Also if your feeding, make sure you feed with Veg/Grow formula for the first 1-2 weeks of flower to support the strech.

Definately flower both plants, it can only increase your chances of getting a female.
If you want to keep your plants as small as possible, then use floros or CFL's for Veging, and keep the babies very close to the bulb. Remeber that plants strech toward the light, so the closer they are, the less they will strech. This will keep the Internodes very tight. I dont have experience vegging under a HPS, but many here do just that. Cant say how effective it is on controling the strech. Also try LST to keep the plants lower.

 

[Bulénath]

Jason,
there are many many things you can add that will increase your yeild. Many use Pure Blend or Pure Blend Pro. Liquid karma is good. Big Bloom is another. The list goes on and on. Check out the organic sections, Lavender Cowboy and Burn1 have very good advice.
Just make sure you dont over feed!!!

I recall reading about Alaska FF, and turns out it has many traces of harmful elements and bad stuff you dont want! But for now, if its all you have, then use it!

Hard to say how long your plant will take to finish. Just watch the trichomes and post pictures with data. You know about different trichome colors and stuff right?


Over all rember when growing with organics, you dont need to worry about EC, or PH fluctuations if you use dolomite lime. On that same note, remeber that plants dont eat fertilizer or Fish Meal, etc... They eat bacteria shit! Its the micro heard of bacteria that breaks down the ferts, that what the plants eat. Anyway, this should get you started in the right direction. Keep it simple.


Oh yeah, I use 33% each: Perlite, worm castings, Black Gold organic soil.
Then I just add Pure Blend Pro, and feed every other day. Very simple.

Edit:
Your transplanting a mature plant from outside to inside? Never heard of people doing this, hope it dosent stress the plant. Anyone have advice on this one??

Bom Shiva

 

[jasonk]

Bulenath - Thanks for the advice. Its all I have for now and Im just goign skimpy right now, I wasnt expecting to be growing so soon indoors and wasnt 100% prepared. The plant I had going outside just wasnt finishing, It onyl started flowering mid october. Its a friends bagseed and its the only one that survived. It started to get very wet, rainy and windy outside so bringing it in was it's only chance for survival. It was ina pot outside so no transplanting was required, just the climat change. Im not too worried if it doesnt survive, it was kinda awkward changing from 6-8 hours of light to 12. Not sure I did everything properly, but like I said, it's just the learning experience and the fun that its about.
It did suffer a bit coming in though. Even thuogh its a really small plant, the travel time carrying it through the bush hurt it a bit, and maybe the temperature change as well. The large fan leaves all yellowed up and are shrivelling, the smaller ones show the same signs but not nearly as sever. The small leaves and forming buds still look green and healthy though.

I do know about trichome color and everything, Ive been reading alot at OG and now here. Ill be hanging around this thread posting once in a while when I get stuck on something.

 

[bjudi]

can you go "all the way" with a 150w hps, i mean from seed and vegging also, or is it best for just flowering?

 

[Bulénath]

bjudi,
Yes its possible, but there are a few set backs. HPS has a very red spectrum thats best for flowering. Babies and vegging plants like a blue spectrum, perferably 5500K and above. They also like higher humidity, alot. HID's are very intense lights that will lower the humidity.

Some (like me) buy into a heavily disputed subject: That the first two weeks of a plants life will help to determine the sex. Optimal conditions produce more females, and sub-optimal conditions produce more males. No one can say if a seed's sex is predetermined.
When a plant is faced with a harsh enviroment, it will be prone to male so its pollen can spread the genes away from the area. When a plant is faced with an optimal enviroment, it will not have much reason to leave it...So it sits there waiting to get impregnated by all the pollen in the air and its seeds drop right into the perfect spot.


...The logic is there but no one can prove or disprove the above!

 

[Bulénath]

Jasonk,
Hope she makes it indoors. I never had success with bringing an outdoor plant inside...
But its possible. The change in enviroment will really screw up the plants senses! All we can do is pray she will snap out of it.

 

[sugabear_II]

Bulénath good advice there man - I'm still using those cool blue floros for veg too and I find that I'm still getting very good male / female ratios. I haven't had a male from seed except the two burmese I used for breeding in a while and I was hoping for them to turn out male.

bjudi - yep you can go all the way under the 150 - however I highly recommend building a small veg chamber lighted with cool blue floros and using the 150 hps for flower only. This type of setup once you get the hang of cloning will have you harvesting 3oz every 2 months on a 8-9 week strain.

jasonk - I've never tried the outdoor to indoor transition. Interesting to hear the fans yellowing like that - could be a reaction to the reduction in light intensity.
-suga

 

[jasonk]

I forgot to also mention the wind must have cracked its stem about a week before I brought it inside. Once I got it here I put on some rooting hormone and tied it up securely and its improved since. Heres a a picture from when I first put it in about 10 days ago, and a shot from today. A definite change can be seen, so my hopes are up. The yellowing I mentioned can slightly be seen in the last two pictures.

 

[green_grow]

these plants amaze me ... just look at that beat-up skinny little thing put out bud !
thats no knock on your growing skills, jason. i am just in awe of how tough these plants can be .

keep at it, dude . you have some smokeables on the way .

 

[carlosdedurango]

Hi,my friends thank you bulenath for the great help and info.jasonk thank you to bro for the help.my 100w hps is hanging over my plants over 2 feet from where my pot is with the to baby plants so far they are looking great they do seem to be happy from there looks not to tall but not to small they did strech a little just a bit i grow them with a 45w floro compact light ya baby plants do Love them floros when they are really colse to the plants but in my case i just could not keep my floro on anymore it was to much of a hassle mounting it and hard on my eyes to see if my girls did not touch the light bulb i really had the light really close kinda where they almost touched.

bulenath i am going to veg like you say for 2 weeks or maybe 1.my concern is should i keep my lights on for 18/6 or 16/6 on them which is best?.i am not feeding for now but latter on when they are little bigger i will get them food
for now is just light good soil and little bit of water from time time they are looking good as for heat issues it seems to be ok not to hot just warm in a small closet i dont think i need a fan at all but should i still use one?.but like i say does not get hot just a warm breez at frist when you open the door that is it the light seems to be ok hot on top but every where else is just little warm that is it.well thats it for now i keep and update from time to time on this litle grow

 

[carlosdedurango]

I forgot to ask ok my light has been on for 19 hours on what is the max or should i keep them on 18/6 for 2 weeks.as for heat issues
there is no problems so far everything looks ok.and my little plants are looking good to well thanks.

 

[Bulénath]

Carlos, you need to always keep your numbers adding up to 24 hours. Anything else and they will be prone to hermie.

Our options are 18/6 or 24/0. Which one to use is another highly debated subject.
Some people have mixed results with 20/4. Aside from the first two mentioned, dont try anything else. Stick to the tried and true methods.

Always use 12/12 for flower.

Ventilation is the heart of every grow. The plants depend on having fresh air, as we do. The best idea would be having two fans. One to remove the air, and one to blow on/between the plants and light.

If you have a thermometer, mount it half way to the light, and try to keep it shaded.
The temperature should never pass 85f. Optimal is 70-75f.

 

[Bulénath]

Oh yeah, got the scrubber set up with pictures and tutorial! Just gota post em! Yes I

...Bom Shiva!

 

[carlosdedurango]

ok thank you i will stick to 18/6 for now in veg time. peace Bulenath and thank you again for your help.

Carlos, you need to always keep your numbers adding up to 24 hours. Anything else and they will be prone to hermie.

Our options are 18/6 or 24/0. Which one to use is another highly debated subject.
Some people have mixed results with 20/4. Aside from the first two mentioned, dont try anything else. Stick to the tried and true methods.

Always use 12/12 for flower.

Ventilation is the heart of every grow. The plants depend on having fresh air, as we do. The best idea would be having two fans. One to remove the air, and one to blow on/between the plants and light.

If you have a thermometer, mount it half way to the light, and try to keep it shaded.
The temperature should never pass 85f. Optimal is 70-75f.