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150w HPS Club and Resource Guide......
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Some budshots at 49 days flower
Have a good one!
Have a good one!
Alien Dude - Trimming of fan leaves is a very heavily debated subject. Growers seem to line up at the extreme ends of the spectrum. Either they tell you "never do it, it will totally ruin your harvest" or "it's the greatest thing since sliced bread".
Fan leaves do provide many things to the plants. Cooling thru transpiration, photosynthisis to make food, and the storage of sugars are just a few of the major ones. However, if you have a good understanding of plant biology, you know when each of these things come into play and how they effect various stages of growth. Trimming of fan leaves is no different then changing the color or duration of lighting, modifying your nute mix at different times, adjusting pH levels, or selecting a specific style of grow. Each is important, but only helps if the grower fully understands what he or she is doing to the crop, and which are required for their situation.
While I personally am in favor of it, and have been doing it for many many years, I do understand it is not appropriate in every situation. If you choose to grow larger Sativas and want huge but fewer colas, it works wonders. This is my normal style of growing and I have a good deal of practice with it. If you want to use it in conjunction with a SCROG or SOG or LST, find a few fellow IC'ers that have done it and pick their brain for all you can. Take notes and keep records. It will help you and those that follow.
Here are some shots of my plants in which fan leaves have been trimmed. These were all grown under a 150w HPS and as you can see, one girl gave me a 14" cola.
Fan leaves do provide many things to the plants. Cooling thru transpiration, photosynthisis to make food, and the storage of sugars are just a few of the major ones. However, if you have a good understanding of plant biology, you know when each of these things come into play and how they effect various stages of growth. Trimming of fan leaves is no different then changing the color or duration of lighting, modifying your nute mix at different times, adjusting pH levels, or selecting a specific style of grow. Each is important, but only helps if the grower fully understands what he or she is doing to the crop, and which are required for their situation.
While I personally am in favor of it, and have been doing it for many many years, I do understand it is not appropriate in every situation. If you choose to grow larger Sativas and want huge but fewer colas, it works wonders. This is my normal style of growing and I have a good deal of practice with it. If you want to use it in conjunction with a SCROG or SOG or LST, find a few fellow IC'ers that have done it and pick their brain for all you can. Take notes and keep records. It will help you and those that follow.
Here are some shots of my plants in which fan leaves have been trimmed. These were all grown under a 150w HPS and as you can see, one girl gave me a 14" cola.
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Alright, lots of progress in my house today. I got the back on the cabinet, mounted the fans and HPS, and got my seeds in soil. I started germing them about 44 hours ago, two of them had cracked and the other two hadn't done much. I put them all in soil, in Solo cups, and put them under my CFLs. Should they be under light at this point, and is it too close? They're about an inch below the rim of the cups, and I can set and hold my hand on the tops of the cups and it's just warm. Cabinet temp is 5* over ambient, which puts it at a nice 77*.
This is just a tub of water from my bathroom, I let it sit in a cabinet I have in my room with the bubbler on, and top it off as I use it. This should get rid of chlorine and stuff right? The water out of the tap is around 6.75PH, what should it be after I add ferts and stuff? (Won't be for a while, I know)
I'm so paranoid the seeds won't sprout. When should I expect to see them break the soil? Should I have the light on them? AHH!
This is just a tub of water from my bathroom, I let it sit in a cabinet I have in my room with the bubbler on, and top it off as I use it. This should get rid of chlorine and stuff right? The water out of the tap is around 6.75PH, what should it be after I add ferts and stuff? (Won't be for a while, I know)
I'm so paranoid the seeds won't sprout. When should I expect to see them break the soil? Should I have the light on them? AHH!
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AlienDude said:
i say yes.
my logic tells me that because 'blue' lighting will get you bigger plants to end up flowering and that hps will give you plants that are smaller (with say.. less height, less nodes, less growing tips..); there may be a noticeable difference in yield.
Well, that's the first one to show itself! It's actually quite a relief, since I did the same thing with all the others I can reassure myself I didn't kill them all before they even had a chance.
When should I first water them? Any way to tell, or just when the cup feels light?
i normally give seedlings about 5 -10ml of water each day, very little is needed. i also water around the seedlings in a circle - don't water water directly on the plant/roots, might disrupt it.
Came across another wonderful link today for those budding 150 club members who are not willing to do a DIY job check this out - a fully functional 150, with tempered glass safety shield and lamp made for growing at under $100 - name is Floralux and high-yield lighting is the manufactur
http://www.htgsupply.com/productdetail.asp?productID=438
(pipedream maybe this is worth adding to the front page too - I'll leave it up to you)
I've also seen the same item at harvest moon hydro which has locations all around the northeast for $119.
I think this is a definite good deal as compared to what I did which was a Lowe's security lamp for $79 + $17 for a heavy duty extension cord +$10-20 more for the reflector and junction box for the ballast - I think I could've bought one of these and saved a few bucks - oh well. the e-conolight is still a better deal for the DIY people out there.
good growing everyone!
bounty - you'll want the soil to be moist and but not too damp - depending upon humidity this will probably not require more than a teaspoon (5ml) when the top of the soil is dry - more than that you risk damping off - letting things dry out is good for the plant in some respects as they grow roots in search of moisture. As you know I grow hydro but like to start in rw cubes - I just put the cubes in moist perlite and add moisture to the perlite every few days - like hotc said you don't want to water right on the seedling as you can disturb the soil and some times wash the seedling to the surface
-suga
http://www.htgsupply.com/productdetail.asp?productID=438
(pipedream maybe this is worth adding to the front page too - I'll leave it up to you)
I've also seen the same item at harvest moon hydro which has locations all around the northeast for $119.
I think this is a definite good deal as compared to what I did which was a Lowe's security lamp for $79 + $17 for a heavy duty extension cord +$10-20 more for the reflector and junction box for the ballast - I think I could've bought one of these and saved a few bucks - oh well. the e-conolight is still a better deal for the DIY people out there.
good growing everyone!
bounty - you'll want the soil to be moist and but not too damp - depending upon humidity this will probably not require more than a teaspoon (5ml) when the top of the soil is dry - more than that you risk damping off - letting things dry out is good for the plant in some respects as they grow roots in search of moisture. As you know I grow hydro but like to start in rw cubes - I just put the cubes in moist perlite and add moisture to the perlite every few days - like hotc said you don't want to water right on the seedling as you can disturb the soil and some times wash the seedling to the surface
-suga
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jasonk
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Thanks for the link Sugabear. The only security light Ive seen aruond me, (Im in western Canada) is around 90$. I saw a complete system similar to what you posted yesterday for around the same price, but I would rather buy from Canada if anyone knows of any sites for either complete ready to go ballast, or for a cheaper DIY security light. My cab is almost ready to go, need to fix up ventilation a bit and add in the HPS when I get it. I got too excited yesterday and started two beans in paper towel. The veg cab is all ready so hopefully the flowering side will be ready in 3 weeks. If not I can flower with 2 40W CFLs, correct? What about flowering half with CFL, then when I get HPS putting it under there?
jasonk said:
try these guys
http://www.hydroponicgarden.net/site/990290/product/FL-150
they were the first to pop up when i searched on "floralux canada" and they're in alberta. i'm sure if you search yourself you might find somewhere even closer in canada.
their price was $129 but i would think that's canadain money so the price should be comparable.
you can start flower under cfl's but your end yield will be lowered. 3 weeks should be plenty of time to finish the flower chamber though
-suga
jasonk
Member
Thanks for the help again, that price is in US dollars though. Now I know what to search for I can probably find something closer and cheaper. This club is rockin, cant wait to officially join.
Where would I find a darkroom vent? Would walmart or homedepot have somehting like that? I searched online all I could find was something at amazon, doesnt look too shabby though. http://www.amazon.com/3-Pack-of-Midget-Louver/dp/B00068ZAII
Where would I find a darkroom vent? Would walmart or homedepot have somehting like that? I searched online all I could find was something at amazon, doesnt look too shabby though. http://www.amazon.com/3-Pack-of-Midget-Louver/dp/B00068ZAII
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jasonk said:
you're already in the club bro!
btw that is a great link on those darkroom vents!
ditto what suga said . those dark-room louvres look quite nice . i think i'll go for those round ones when i decide to upgrade my cabinet; they look kinda groovy.
Well, there are my seedlings! Three out of the four seeds I planted sprouted, it's only been a few days so it could still come up. The first one pictured has a large white spot on the leaf, I don't know what that's about. The second one had the two cotyledons stuck together with a piece of the seed casing, but it came off soon after. The third one was the only normal looking one, but now the cotyledons are both pointed straight up.
I watered them right after taking the pictures were taken, just a very small amount of water though. It's been around 80 in the cabinet and they were last watered before I put the seeds in on Thursday. I've gotta finish building the light traps for the cabinet, I'll probably do that tomorrow, I'm just using black posterboard taped to the back of the cabinet.
Those darkroom vents do look nice, however, I'm wondering how restrictive they are to airflow. With all of the metal louvres in the path, it seems as though you'd almost have to double the number of planned intake ports.
Bounty - Great looking sprouts. And by the way, white spots, hanging-on seed caseings, and up-pointed leaves are all very common with sprouts. 99% of the time they look perfect by the time they have their second set of true leaves.
Bounty - Great looking sprouts. And by the way, white spots, hanging-on seed caseings, and up-pointed leaves are all very common with sprouts. 99% of the time they look perfect by the time they have their second set of true leaves.
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high_hopes
Member
Hi all,
I will be attempting my first grow. I wish to grow from a filing cabinet - stealth is needed for me. Please see this thread I recently started - http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=37155
The dimensions for the cabinet are most likely going to be - 15"x25"x52"
Would a metal cabinet be a problem for growing?
Can anyone offer any suggestions on how I would go about making this filing cabinet grow possible? I couldn't find anyone else on here that actually did a filing cabinet grow. I'm a rookie so assume I know nothing.
Thanks
I will be attempting my first grow. I wish to grow from a filing cabinet - stealth is needed for me. Please see this thread I recently started - http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=37155
The dimensions for the cabinet are most likely going to be - 15"x25"x52"
Would a metal cabinet be a problem for growing?
Can anyone offer any suggestions on how I would go about making this filing cabinet grow possible? I couldn't find anyone else on here that actually did a filing cabinet grow. I'm a rookie so assume I know nothing.
Thanks
