150w HPS Club and Resource Guide......

[Jubal]

Hey everyone, I'd like to join the ranks of the 150 club! And here is my entry:


this is an old P.A. amp gutted out to house the ballast.





My cab is ducted directly outside with a pc fan sucking in fresh air. It's been very cool these days and temps hover between 80-85 F during the day. Last night I checked it out at 2am and it was 55 F! So I detached the duct for the night. I've got some more tweaking to do before flowering. This is technically my 3rd grow, seeds from bricky schwag.



lemme know how ya like it! And thanks to everyone who posts and who formerly posted on OG I've learned everything I know about growing from your examples!

PEACE, Jubal

 

[Jubal]

forgot to show ya what it appears to be

 

[highonthechroni]

hey Jubal!

really nice stealth setup and your plants are doing really well!

when will you 12/12 them?

irie

 

[AlienDude]

Some quick questions regarding my grow.

Some quick questions regarding my grow.

OK, so I have read every page of this thread and found lots of good info.
I will be starting my 1st grow in a stealth 150watt cabinet sometime next month.
My cab is a U2 Mills Pride modified in such a way that it will be very similar to the OG Stealth Cabinet tutorial that is famous now.
My question is in regards to the flowering techniques of: SOG, SCROG & LST.
I have read quite a bit about all 3, and here are my first impressions:

LST=Train the plant to bend (in weird ways) and produce more bud sites.
SOG=Put lotsa plants close together to obtain maximum yield.
SCROG=Use less plants, but put chicken wire screen above them so bud sites can stretch and be maximized.

Let's say my cab will be very, very similar to the original stealth cab from the OG forums. Which method is best for that kinda cab?
Also, consider the fact I will be growing a combination of Nev Haze X Grapefruit & some Troublemaker (Master Kush X Hindu Kush).

All advice is welcome. This will be a DWC grow with Ionic nutes.

 

[Jubal]

Hey thanks Hiondachron!

It's not fully cloaked yet and there's probably gonna be a fair amount of duct tape involved lol but I got no worries (cept I might need to do something about the smell eventually).

I geuss I'll flower them in two weeks. Hopefully at least the boys will show up then. THey're bout 35 days old I reckon. I'm only keeping 2, maybe a third in a small pot.

? Would it be okay to have my fans off during the night ?

 

[highonthechroni]

you will definately need some ventilation at 'night' during the flowering stage as to prevent 'still' air which causes mold

 

[sugabear_II]

hello to the new comers!

hello to the new comers!

Jubal,

as hotc said you need ventilation 24/7 lights on or off - plants need to breath just like us! nice setup btw - very stealthy and nice looking plants.

AlienDude,

I would humbly suggest you take a look at my cabinet as it is a U2 and I grow DWC. When you say the original OG stealth cabinet I think you mean the nimby cabinet? with the right side for flower and the left side split between veg and utility? if so I hate to burst your bubble but it has been my experience that the U2 cabinet is too small to accomadate that setup. I originally planned on doing that and found that the cabinet just can't be divided. I recommend using the cabinet as just a flower chamber and building a separate veg container.

On the subject of SCROG, SOG, and LST my experience (again growing in a U2 with DWC) leads me to recommend SCROG. I would also recommend 2 plants in 2 gallon buckets for flower. You can get away with smaller buckets for veg such as 2.5 quart buckets. You can even get away with 5 quart buckets in flower however you will really need to be on top of the levels. In my first grow I used just the 5 quart buckets and found that leaving them for more than 2 days was very risky late in flower.

anyways feel free to ask me any questions you may have...

-suga

p.s. here's a few pictures of my U2.

 

[AlienDude]

AlienDude,

I would humbly suggest you take a look at my cabinet as it is a U2 and I grow DWC. When you say the original OG stealth cabinet I think you mean the nimby cabinet? with the right side for flower and the left side split between veg and utility? if so I hate to burst your bubble but it has been my experience that the U2 cabinet is too small to accomadate that setup. I originally planned on doing that and found that the cabinet just can't be divided. I recommend using the cabinet as just a flower chamber and building a separate veg container.

On the subject of SCROG, SOG, and LST my experience (again growing in a U2 with DWC) leads me to recommend SCROG. I would also recommend 2 plants in 2 gallon buckets for flower. You can get away with smaller buckets for veg such as 2.5 quart buckets. You can even get away with 5 quart buckets in flower however you will really need to be on top of the levels. In my first grow I used just the 5 quart buckets and found that leaving them for more than 2 days was very risky late in flower.

anyways feel free to ask me any questions you may have...

I will have to consider making mine similar to yours. Take a look at what this guy did with his U2: http://www.gardenscure.com/420/construction/94684-if-you-build-they-will-come.html

Mine will be similar to his, but not exactly the same.

Have you ever tried growing either of the strains I mentioned? Do you find some strains harder to grow than others in your U2?

 

[bounty29]

Well, I've got my seeds germing in my computer case, in a little 20oz bottle, and I just hung up my CFLs. I'll be screwing the back on tomorrow. What a pain in the ass cutting those holes is going to be. I was going to do it tonight but it was too loud. I've been looking at that thread @ Garden's Cure and that is an awesome U2 Cab, I think I might have to make one of those for my next apartment, as I don't think this monstrosity will make it out of here in one piece.

 

[sugabear_II]

aliendude,

I have not grown either of those strains. I have only grown 7-9 week flowering strains in my cabinet, both indicas, sativas, and indie sat hybrids. All of the strains (6 in total) I have grown have been in DWC and they all have stretched considerably. I would never have been able to grow any of these strains SOG style without running out of room quickly. I have not tried LST but I see it as a soil technique. when growing dwc, esp from seed, the plant grows too fast for this technique that relies on extended veg periods which are just not feasible in dwc.

I took a look at the link you sent, and see his construction - it looks good - but I cannot see his grow thread. I do have trouble believing that he could fit two DWC buckets in the flower side of that cabinet unless they were in a single tub type container.

growing two strains as you intend to do in a single container has some issues. if growing from seed there you'll have to pull out the males and by that time the roots may be intertwined and it will not be easy to do. Second if the two strains have different flower periods you will be harvesting one and the other will still need time - the roots of the harvested one will either have to be detangled and removed from the other plants roots or the harvested plants roots will begin to rot and the remaining plant will soon be effected. Anytime you mess with the roots by detangling one plants roots from another you will damage the remaining plants roots and rot will likely set in.

This is why I highly recommend one bucket for each plant, unless you are growing clones from the same strain and starting them in flower at the same time.

Anyways this is just my .02 from my experience growing 7 crops (on my 8th) and 6 strains in DWC under a 150 in a U2 cabinet. You do what you want, often times the only way to learn is by doing

For what it's worth I have recently decided to move up to a bigger c-25 cabinet...

-suga

 

[Duggan18]

OK, so I have read every page of this thread and found lots of good info.
I will be starting my 1st grow in a stealth 150watt cabinet sometime next month.
My cab is a U2 Mills Pride modified in such a way that it will be very similar to the OG Stealth Cabinet tutorial that is famous now.
My question is in regards to the flowering techniques of: SOG, SCROG & LST.
I have read quite a bit about all 3, and here are my first impressions:

LST=Train the plant to bend (in weird ways) and produce more bud sites.
SOG=Put lotsa plants close together to obtain maximum yield.
SCROG=Use less plants, but put chicken wire screen above them so bud sites can stretch and be maximized.

Let's say my cab will be very, very similar to the original stealth cab from the OG forums. Which method is best for that kinda cab?
Also, consider the fact I will be growing a combination of Nev Haze X Grapefruit & some Troublemaker (Master Kush X Hindu Kush).

All advice is welcome. This will be a DWC grow with Ionic nutes.

lst is mainly to keep the plant low... look at the name, ''low stress training''

and scrog isnt necessarily using less plants, its just keeping them low and keeping the tops on even level for maximum light efficiency

 

[jasonk]

Alright, well im about halfway through scanning over all those pages. Lots of information in there, hard to absorb.
I'd like to introduce myself as a very novice grower trying to start something indoor. I grew fairly unsuccesfully outdoors the past 2 years and recently moved into a place where I can get something small started. I plan on having a 150W HPS for flowering in a 2'by3' 4' high area. Plants will be scrogged, and I suppose I will have to build a reflector soon enough. Is it worth getting everything started then getting the reflector in there, or should I wait to mount the light once the reflector is in. Cab is being built right now, putting the doors on tomorrow. then I need to start adding the accesories, starting with fan, then lights etc. Im sure Ill be able to work through the DIYs on wiring and everything, and pardon me if somethings already been discussed here.
Here is my diary, with the design for my cab.
http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?p=604009#post604009

 

[Jubal]

Thanks for the recomendations, guys!

Aliendude, I suggest 1" chicken wire, this is a photo of two WW from another forum:




look at all those budsites!

Real tight setup, jasonk!
Jub

 

[AlienDude]

Thanks for the recomendations, guys!

Aliendude, I suggest 1" chicken wire, this is a photo of two WW from another forum:




look at all those budsites!

Real tight setup, jasonk!
Jub

That is from just 2 plants?
WOW.
Where is the best place to get a small amount of the 1" chicken wire?

 

[AlienDude]

lst is mainly to keep the plant low... look at the name, ''low stress training''

and scrog isnt necessarily using less plants, its just keeping them low and keeping the tops on even level for maximum light efficiency

So, is SCROG similar to SOG, but with chicken wire?

 

[AlienDude]

aliendude,

I have not grown either of those strains. I have only grown 7-9 week flowering strains in my cabinet, both indicas, sativas, and indie sat hybrids. All of the strains (6 in total) I have grown have been in DWC and they all have stretched considerably. I would never have been able to grow any of these strains SOG style without running out of room quickly. I have not tried LST but I see it as a soil technique. when growing dwc, esp from seed, the plant grows too fast for this technique that relies on extended veg periods which are just not feasible in dwc.

I took a look at the link you sent, and see his construction - it looks good - but I cannot see his grow thread. I do have trouble believing that he could fit two DWC buckets in the flower side of that cabinet unless they were in a single tub type container.

growing two strains as you intend to do in a single container has some issues. if growing from seed there you'll have to pull out the males and by that time the roots may be intertwined and it will not be easy to do. Second if the two strains have different flower periods you will be harvesting one and the other will still need time - the roots of the harvested one will either have to be detangled and removed from the other plants roots or the harvested plants roots will begin to rot and the remaining plant will soon be effected. Anytime you mess with the roots by detangling one plants roots from another you will damage the remaining plants roots and rot will likely set in.

This is why I highly recommend one bucket for each plant, unless you are growing clones from the same strain and starting them in flower at the same time.

Anyways this is just my .02 from my experience growing 7 crops (on my 8th) and 6 strains in DWC under a 150 in a U2 cabinet. You do what you want, often times the only way to learn is by doing

For what it's worth I have recently decided to move up to a bigger c-25 cabinet...

-suga

So, it sounds like the U2 with or without being divided will need a SCROG DWC for best results. If I do divide my U2, I will have to use just 1 tub, and now that I know that I think I will only grow 1 strain at a time. My Neville's Haze X Grapefruit is a feminized strain with only 5 seeds. That guy that built his U2 is planning on using 12 seeds for plants (bagseed at that). By the way, he is still just germinating, and his grow journal is here:http://www.gardenscure.com/420/hydroponic-grow-journals/95697-buzzzds-1st-dwc-sog-grow-sows.html

I would definitely have to say that any advice you give would be held in a much higher regard than him, also because this will be his 1st grow and I have seen your cab and your yields and must say that I am impressed.

So, what if I made mine divided like his, but I put seedlings and clones in the veg side for only about 2 weeks and then moved them straight to the DWC flowering side using 1 tub and only 1 strain? How many plants do you think it could support? I'm basically trying to take everyone's advice and mesh it together to get an idea on what to do. I would have bought a C25 and even maybe considered having a separate veg chamber, but space and stealth is a BIG issue for me. Hey, at least I'm not constrained to a PC tower case like some micro growers right?

 

[bounty29]

You can do a 1 plant SCROG, and get the same yield as a small SOG, but you'd have to veg for longer. In the eyes of the law, SCROG is a lot safer. When you get caught, they count each plant, with SCROG, you can keep it to just a couple, but when you do SOG the numbers get up there.

 

[AlienDude]

You can do a 1 plant SCROG, and get the same yield as a small SOG, but you'd have to veg for longer. In the eyes of the law, SCROG is a lot safer. When you get caught, they count each plant, with SCROG, you can keep it to just a couple, but when you do SOG the numbers get up there.

Is there a guide on exactly how to do a SCROG? I have seen allot of them and it looks like there is just a screen above the plants. There must be more to it that that. I am dying to know the technique.

 

[Guest]

LST= low stress training which means lower stress on the plant.It doesn't necessarily mean to keep the plant low.I have seen huge plants that were lst'd.

aliendude-You can scrog 1 or as many plants as you like but from what I've read the more plants, the more pain it is to manage them under the screen.

Sog is basically many young plants flowered at once and I think is used alot for perpetual harvests.

If you're in the U.S. you can get chicken wire at any home improvement store.

 

[bounty29]

That's about it. Screen above the plants, and you just try to keep the majority of the fan leaves below the screen and train the budsites through the holes in the screen. It seems like 1" chickenwire is the best. Check out Red_Greenery's Rubbermaid grow in the micro grow section, there's a lot of pictures there of scrogging.