12/12 From Seed: A Different Way To Grow

[Onamission]

12/12 from seed..mixed tray and c99

 

[atmosphere]

Very nice and short ,but thick buds "onamission"


My current grow, an update :

Who needs veg time ?

 

[MobbDeep]

If you truly want to try a nirvana indica..i wouldnt suggest nirvana masterkush..not only have I heard its potency left something to be desired..but it isnt one of nirvanas better indicas...try their afghani..Ivbe heard so many people say that its one of the better afgani's out there..alot of people even say its better than SENSI's afghani...or you can try their aurora indica which is afghani*northern lights...im growing ak48 right now..and it would have definitely been a good strain for 12/12 from seeds..since ive put into flowering..the plant has stretched quite a bit..and is nowhere near ready to stop...

 

[Sknipoid]

Hey! Here's mine too! I grow like that from necessity but I'm quite satisfied so long.
The only one that I harvested was a lemon smelling hermie, that I didn't really flush and generally abused(bad or no lighting, taking it in a balcony,etc...)
When I tasted some fallen trichomes from it they were very potent. But the plant wasn't looking like it was going to finish anytime soon and it was producing male flowers all the time(and pollinated the female I have in the pics but not too much) so I killed it. The smoke was terrible and it didn't get you very high. The hermie plant also had mites at a young age and was alway droopy. So it was a sick ass plant with no much potential...

The one that I have in this pics is not finished but I think it will be more than ok. How many grams do you think it will be? Its in week 9 of her overall life and showed sex at week 4. What do you think? Any suggestions??

Some say that the high is not that potent from 12/12 plants. What do you think? My last experience wasnt good as I told you, what do you think???

 

[rave420]

man, i sure wish the 12/12 from seed method wouldn't be so seed expensive
If i buy 5 seeds for nearly 100$ then i use those plants as moms.
So... what about 12/12 straight from cutting? Essentially, i take my bubble cloner, root my clone, and as soon as the clone hits the soil i switch them to 12/12. Does that count or am i not welcome here ?

If you truly want to try a nirvana indica..i wouldnt suggest nirvana masterkush..not only have I heard its potency left something to be desired..but it isnt one of nirvanas better indicas...try their afghani..Ivbe heard so many people say that its one of the better afgani's out there..alot of people even say its better than SENSI's afghani...or you can try their aurora indica which is afghani*northern lights...im growing ak48 right now..and it would have definitely been a good strain for 12/12 from seeds..since ive put into flowering..the plant has stretched quite a bit..and is nowhere near ready to stop...

you want an indica that takes your face off and leaves you dumbfounded? Try some sensi star. It's the only weed that i hesitate to smoke, because the effects usually are WAY to strong for my likings. Maybe you get around to trying it sometime.

 

[MobbDeep]

RAVE 420:

Aiit,I keep hearing good ass things aboiut the sensi star..Ima have to try it...Im def more of an indica connoseir..living in the hood..I get WAY too paranoid when I smoke strong sativas or sativa dom strains..I need some heavy,greasy indica to calm me down..relax me..and help me sleep..since I live a paranoid life style..

But yeah,what your describing 12/12 from clone is called SOG sea of green...

its the method most used to by commercial growers,since it ensures the fastest turn around times,usually HIGHEST yields,and the potent part of the plant,which is the TOP COLA..


I have always reccomnded s.o.g..and will try it out once I have a stable mother plant...
What you do is take clones..root them..then as soon as they show roots..place into 12/12..its preferable that you use a hydro method when doing s.o.g..for optimal yields and growth..and you want a indica dom plant that STILL STRECTHCED ALOT during flowering..depdning on the strain and method..youll end up with many plants that are around 1-2 ft each..with one main "big" bud..that can easily yield around 1 oz each..

so if you have 25 plants, ( a TRUE sog is anywhere from 20-64 plants PER LIGHT) each with half a ounce..then you get around 12.5 ounces DRY...though with a true sog..you usually pull bumper harvest of around 1 pound+...

for some REAL fun..do a 64 plant sog,in hydro,under a 1000w hps..with a strain like chrnic or big bud...

 

[Hal]

Yeah, what Mobb said, gotta watch out for trying this with indica clones and no veg, I hear they stay way short. I've heard that to use clones straight into 12/12 you want to look for something with a decent stretch phase, typically a sativa dominant hybrid. As long as you pick the right strain, you can still avoid the racy paranoia freekies. I'm just getting done with a grow (from seed), and I think they must be indica dom crosses, because 7 out of the 8 plants are between 8 and 10 inches, and the last one is about 14 inches. Still got some nice budsicles on 'em though.

 

[MobbDeep]

Yeah, what Mobb said, gotta watch out for trying this with indica clones and no veg, I hear they stay way short. I've heard that to use clones straight into 12/12 you want to look for something with a decent stretch phase, typically a sativa dominant hybrid. As long as you pick the right strain, you can still avoid the racy paranoia freekies. I'm just getting done with a grow (from seed), and I think they must be indica dom crosses, because 7 out of the 8 plants are between 8 and 10 inches, and the last one is about 14 inches. Still got some nice budsicles on 'em though.

Very true..its not reccomended with indica dom plants that just dont strecth as much..because in a sog you WANT them to stretch..just not branch out too much...have you ever tried a sog grow? if so,what strain? ive always been interested in this method..

most likely..i will do a sog using coco coir/perlite with 5*5 sqaure pots..and having around 25-36 clones under each 400 w hps..what bothers me is the plant count..since i live in a very anti pot state..and im in the hood..so ill immdiatly be a "gang related marijuana traffiker"..lol

 

[#1cheesebuds]

here is more of my 12-12 from seed under 300-400 watts of cfl lights.
still no preflowers yet. I am at 5 weeks of 12-12 from seed.
so how am I looken so far.

 

[beejium]

they look good. keep your eyes peeled as they will show soon. looks like there might be a little something forming in the second to last pic (near the top). i zoomed in to get a closer look, but the pic became too distorted to see what it was.

 

[#1cheesebuds]

thanks for the comment.

 

[Hal]

Very true..its not reccomended with indica dom plants that just dont strecth as much..because in a sog you WANT them to stretch..just not branch out too much...have you ever tried a sog grow? if so,what strain? ive always been interested in this method..

most likely..i will do a sog using coco coir/perlite with 5*5 sqaure pots..and having around 25-36 clones under each 400 w hps..what bothers me is the plant count..since i live in a very anti pot state..and im in the hood..so ill immdiatly be a "gang related marijuana traffiker"..lol

I only have about 5 grows under my belt, so I'm really still a newb experience wise....but so far all I have done are SOG style using the 12/12 from seed method.

The only strains that I have grown that seem to be widely available are Nirvana strains, their Northern Lights which ended up perfect size for me, about 15 to 20 inches tall generally, all in the pole shape, each girl gave me very close to an ounce dried.

The Nirvana Bubblelicious was not a good grow for me, the plants all were incredibly leggy and branchy, with quite wispy buds. I should mention here that I was growing with CFL's, about 200 watts worth, but no cabinet so a lot of that light got wasted off in dark corners of the closet. I absolutely need to keep the plant height down, those CFL's don't penetrate much more than 8" or so.

I've also grown a strain called Fruitbowl that turned out excellent, same shape and size as those NL I grew. I'm blanking on the others I did, one was a bagseed, total crapshoot, a lot of variation.

Anyway, I decided after more reading here on IC that I would try growing from clone, with only a short veg to get them going. I really want to have uniformity in my plants, growing in a small cabinet with about 20" available for plant height doesn't allow room for the variation you find in seed plants. I found out the secret to getting clones to reach the desired height is a matter of experimenting with the height you stop their veg state at, generally between 1" and 6".

This grow I have going now is basically to get some samples from the plants I'm growing, and figuring out which I want to keep as mothers. So, next fall (I can't grow in the summer months due to heat issues), I'll try my first grow using some clones. That, too, will be an experimental grow, trying to figure out what height I should veg the girls to before throwing them into 12/12. It won't be that much different from a 12/12 from seed grow, just a little bit of veg time to get them started.

I've also heard that Nirvana AK48 did well in 12/12 from seed.

Regarding your plant #'s and the law, have you checked the NORML website to see what your state's laws are regarding #'s of plants. There is much variation state to state, for example, my state doesn't care about #'s at all, its all about total weight of the plants, so I can grow as many as I want. Other states have similar laws, but some do count the plants, so make sure you know where your state stands on that.

 

[atmosphere]

RAVE 420:


for some REAL fun..do a 64 plant sog,in hydro,under a 1000w hps..with a strain like chrnic or big bud...

Something like this ?

Alsmost started directly on 12/12 , a very commercial grow by the way .
In the picture the plants are 9 weeks old from the day they sprouted .

 

[atmosphere]

By now I have seen lots of strains starting on 12/12 . On a large very active dutch Cannabis forum/ community you can find these type of grows all the time.

Large yields can be pulled from a 12/12 grow from seeds, every 10 weeks. You do not need a room for moms , no time to clone and root . Every square inch available can be used for flowering plants ! , now thats commercial


For shorter plants from seed on 12/12 from the start , you can also cut the top

 

[MobbDeep]

Hal thanks man..Ive always been dying to try the Nirvana Northern Lights..so you say an ounce dry per plant UNDER CFL'S?? Thats crazy man..

By now I have seen lots of strains starting on 12/12 . On a large very active dutch Cannabis forum/ community you can find these type of grows all the time.

Large yields can be pulled from a 12/12 grow from seeds, every 10 weeks. You do not need a room for moms , no time to clone and root . Every square inch available can be used for flowering plants ! , now thats commercial


For shorter plants from seed on 12/12 from the start , you can also cut the top

Topping isnt too reccomended for a TRUE sog grow..since not only does topping require a longer vegging time than normal,but it makes the plants bushy,so you wont be able to fit as much plants in there per square foot..and they grow quikcly grow all over the place,without an even canopy..

 

[beejium]

Hal,
From bag seed so far I'm finding that my plants are staying under 20". I would almost say they would almost average 10". The nodes usually span 1"-2" apart but fill in fairly well. The plants aren't getting the best care right now. I'm still tinkering with everything.
Are you still using the CFL shop light setup you mentioned in the first page? And out of a half baked question... What is the gap between your nodes? Would the light being closer than say a single HPS, reduce stretching with the aid of multiple sources of light?

 

[Hal]

Hal,
From bag seed so far I'm finding that my plants are staying under 20". I would almost say they would almost average 10". The nodes usually span 1"-2" apart but fill in fairly well. The plants aren't getting the best care right now. I'm still tinkering with everything.
Are you still using the CFL shop light setup you mentioned in the first page? And out of a half baked question... What is the gap between your nodes? Would the light being closer than say a single HPS, reduce stretching with the aid of multiple sources of light?

High Beejium

Bag seeds always have a bit of the mystery about them...who were their parents? If they are averaging in the 10" range, then I might guess that they are indica dominant, but that is just a guess. The smoke report on those would be another indicator of parentage...

You say the plants aren't getting the best care at the moment...unfriendly environmental conditions can have an effect on plant height...for instance, I fucked up a bit on my current micro-grow (using small 1 liter bottles as pots) right in the beginning, letting the roots stay soaked (and therefore starved for oxygen), and I'm pretty sure that is why all of them maxed out in height at about 9 to 10". A few were only about 7" tall.

I think you will be well served, especially after tinkering for a bit on your bagseeds, to get yourself a strain that you are sure about its normal growing patterns and such. Get yourself a nice affordable hybrid, 50/50 or slightly sativa dominant, those usually have enough stretch to get you nice yields. Atmosphere has some good suggestions that he works with. Nirvana is affordable, and Mandala has been getting glowing reviews lately and is only about $30 for 10 seeds.

I'm not growing with the same set-up I had in the beginning...I finally (FINALLY!) built myself a grow cab to pursue my hobby with. There are definitely some challenges that are presented growing in the cabinet, like dealing with higher temperatures and such, but the cabinet doesn't let any of that sweet beautiful light go to waste, it all stays inside bouncing off the bright white walls of my cab. I'm still in the beginning stages though, dialing it in much as you are

Good luck growing dude.

EDIT: As to the nodes question...I can't offer any advice about HPS, because I have never used them. Generally speaking, the stronger the light is, the less the plant feels the need to "stretch" towards it. If the plant is getting all the light to give it a sense of having a "full stomach," then it will have nice short internodes. This is balanced with the fact that excessive heat can also cause stretching, so if your internode distance is more than what is ideal, you need to look at temps as well. Also, in general, I'm thinking that sativa characteristics have a greater internode distance than indicas do, but you might want to confirm that with some more research. AND....when growing from seeds, you always have to remember that even when working with the same strain, and with seeds from the same package, each seed is its own little bundle of DNA, and will exhibit its owns growth characteristics, one of which would be the internode spacing.

 

[SpacedCWBY]

Glad this thread popped up. I have 4 mandala 8 miles high and 6 ganesh. The ganesh are just breaking ground and the 8mh have been going for something like 5 or 6 weeks now. My thread is over in the mandala room, but since I'm ready to switch up the 8mh and wanted to have the ganesh in there too, doing them 12/12 from beans. They'll only get another day of 24hrs.

Let you know how they come out. Thanks for putting this thread together, lots of good shit in here.

 

[rave420]

for some REAL fun..do a 64 plant sog,in hydro,under a 1000w hps..with a strain like chrnic or big bud...

i was actually thinking about that, just not with 1000w, but 4x1000w CMH.
Seeing that that is 256 clones, how many mothers would you need? Maybe even take a batch of clones and grow them into more motherplants.

Also, how managable is a 64 plant 1000W SOG ?

 

[Sknipoid]

Hey, I've got one question, in the thread there are many experienced growers that say no veg time is not only lower yields, but also less potency. What do you think? One that I finished was actually not potent, but it was a hermie so I didnt give enough love to it.
This is my box. It now has one more light.

Trying perpetual 12/12 From seed...
The one in the front is definately indica dominant and the one on the back definately Sativa dominant. Yes, the indica doest look good. But smells nicely.

I hope this thread didnt get too elit for us micro growers to participate!!