12/12 From Seed: A Different Way To Grow

[Wiggs Dannyboy]

It seemed to me that Motaco is a "12/12 from seed" denier, all the worries he was posting about didn't seem to arise for the people in this thread who are using this method. Don't think Motaco is bad at growing weed, but reading his posts it seemed that when he tried the 12/12 method he was throwing seeds into grows that he already had going in flower. This kind of growing requires important light placement/intensity, and it is questionable if Motaco actually gave his 12/12 seedlings this requirement. I took a bunch of time reading this thread from start to finish, and all the tiny plants that he was predicting didn't happen to folks in this thread growing by this method.

 

[cocogrower]

Hello everybody!

Anybody there? Feels like this thread is less active than it used to be.. So at least i feel that i'm not disturbing

I've just finished a homebuilt cabinett with to 120w chinese ledlights. I jammed it with seedlings and am eager to see what will happen. (it will get crowded, i believe)

Seeds are:
from nirvana: AK48, Master Kush and Northern light.
Female seeds: Big grapefruit, Bubblegummer, BBxWW and one Auto speed bud that was a freebee and that has been standing in my window for two weeks. Hopefully i find a strain that suits my setup.

It's not much to show yet, but i will post again in a few weeks to show the progress!

Ps. sorry for strange english!

 

[zamzia]

Can't see the pic you posted cocogrower.

 

[cocogrower]

Thank's for letting me know Zamzia! I don't know what went wrong. I can see a small pic, but in the begging of the post and not where i wanted it. Will try to understand how this works..

Ok, i'm now using "manage attachment" instead of insert image", hopefully it works better..

 

[zamzia]

Haha! It's there, but it's upside down!

 

[cocogrower]

I can see this photo, but it's upside down which it's not on my computer.. . If i could would delete it.

Does it show, and is it upside down?

 

[bombadil.360]

anyone who thinks you cannot grow 12/12 from seed is just an ignorant, end of story, end of debate.

tell me you cannot grow 12/12 from seed next time a buddy of mine takes a nap under a ganja tree in Ecuador.

or say you cannot grow 12/12 from seed to every Colombian farmer out there.

etc... etc... etc...

using more time to explain why 12/12 works to deniers is just a waste of time, some people just don't want to learn.



edit: btw, coco, your picture does not show.

peace

 

[cocogrower]

Damn it! I better start my own thread where i i an find out how to post pictures properly instead off messing in this already ridiculously/impressively long thread.

I'll get back with better pictures of bigger plants in a near future. Until then, keep posting and i'll be watching!

 

[JointOperation]

it works but.. outdoors vs indoors theres alot of differences.. your indoors flower at much smaller plant.. then outdoors in columbia.. and sativas.. dont go into flower like indoors..

not saying its a bad way to grow.. but the only thing i can see 12/12 from seed working for is phenohunting.. u wana go 12/12 from seed with a single 400-1000w light. your wasting electricity for the first 3 weeks .. i got same results from t5s from seed as i did from 1000ws from seeds.. except i yielding more per watt with t5s.. so ill never 12/12 from seed again.. lol 12/12 from seed .. ur better off buying autos..

 

[SpaaaceCowboy]

Easy there, Spacecowboy.

Motaco is not an idiot, and he has offered excellent advise over the years.

His observations about the limits of 12/12 from seed are spot on, and who are you to be requesting a thread be edited? I enjoyed his contribution to this thread, and continue to believe that he made some good points.

I'm a concerned reader trying to get through this thread, and learn some things but I couldn't because of all the hate spewed forth by that clown....I don't care how much he knows about growig....his posts are worthless to me in this thread....

And who are you to even ask me ? Why don't you go fck yourself asshle.....

UNSUBSCRIBED.......not dealing with two asshles in one thread.

 

[cocogrower]

Jointoperation, i actually find it a kind of disrespectful by you and others that don't believe in this method to keep on bash-talking it.

Even if you only read parts of the thread you would have seen that the critic you come with has been mentioned and answered over and over again.

I think that a lot of criticizers just scroll to the end without even bothering to read the thread or learning enough about the method to see that there actually is a few advantages in some growing conditions.

I'm kindly asking you and other disbelievers to post in this thread instead:

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?p=6383480#post6383480

That thread is called 12/12 From Seed: A Different Way To Grow - The controversy and is devoted to the discussion of the possible usefulness or uselessness of the method.

I'm also kindly asking believers of the method to refer to that thread, and answer there instead, for the sake of readability.

 

[Kozmo]

Clones

Clones

12/12 From Seed: A Different Way To Grow




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This thread is devoted to an excellent method of growing our favorite plant. “12/12 From Seed” is a proven way to grow pot, and produces yields up to 1 gram of dried bud per 1 watt of electricity consumed (eg: a 400 watt HPS light is able to produce a harvest of 400 grams). It is a very good choice for growers who have a limited amount of space to set up their gardens. The cannabis grown this way is potent, sticky, and yes…stinky. Most pot plants suffer no ill effects from being grown under this light regimen.

Typically, in traditional method, the cannabis cultivator will start their plants with a lighting regimen that provides anywhere from 18 to 24 hours of light a day, called the ‘vegetation’ phase, to make the plant grow as large as possible, increasing the amount of ‘budding sites’ on the plant. Once the plant has grown large, it is forced into flowering by switching the lighting regimen to 12 hours on/12 hours off. This results in plants that produce copious yields, but take up considerable space.

“12/12 From Seed” eliminates the vegetation phase. As soon as the seed sprouts through the surface it is given a light regimen of 12 hours on/12 hours off. Plants grown this way do not grow as tall as they would if given a vegetation phase. The shape of the plants is also different, losing much of their natural ‘bush’ quality. Our plants tend to be shaped like a “pole,” with the main bud formation happening along the main stem of the plant. This allows the grower to fit more plants per square foot/meter. It also makes possible gardens in spaces that growing larger, bush-like plants would be impossible. The shorter height of these plants also works in concert with the limited penetration distance that exists with any/all forms of indoor lighting.

Other than the difference in the lighting regimen, growing cannabis using this method is the same as the more traditional way. You still need to learn about the other important factors in growing a healthy garden, such as; proper nutrient levels; maintaining the correct PH level; controlling temperature, humidity, and odor; and providing ventilation. Because we are starting from seed, most of us use soil as our medium, although other mediums may be used. Other than that, all other personal choices to control the environment is the same as growing any other way.

This method does have its critics. Most of these critics have never tried to grow this way, they are just passing along commonly held mis-information without having actual experience. The main criticism is that the yields gotten from this method are miniscule and not worth the time involved. We challenge that, with the experience of a grower called “Atmosphere” who gets 1 gram of dried bud for each watt of electricity used (that would be a harvest of 8 ounces from a 250 watt HPS light!). “Atmosphere” had a thread back on Overgrow, which is where many of us first encountered this method, and he is held in high regard among folks who grow this way. He visits this thread and provides solid information based on years of experience.

Some critics claim that the amount of the main cannabinoid, THC, produced by plants grown this way is less than plants that are allowed to mature with a vegetation phase. This opinion is based on a study done many years ago, well before modern gardening techniques took hold, and almost certainly did not test any plants that were grown using this lighting regimen. New tests must be done, that’s all there is to it. More importantly, the empirical evidence from those who have grown this way, and the experience of their friends who have smoked these plants, is that this cannabis is just as potent as any they have ever smoked (strain variety taken into account, of course). If there is any difference in THC percentages, it is minute, and not noticeable to the cannabis consumer.

So pull up a chair, and watch what we do. Keep an open mind, and observe our results. Try growing some of your own crops with this method and then make up your mind as to whether there is some mighty fine ganja to be grown this way.

Would you get the same results from rooted clones?

 

[cocogrower]

I'm not an expert, but ll give my 50 cents.

Clones are sexually mature and would probably end up very small. Clones with a 5-10 days of veg will probably give a similar result, depending on strain and what seeds you are comparing to, but maybe lack some of the seedling vigor.

I've also understood that cuttings behave differently depending on if its a top-cutting or a side-cutting. The first will grow more pole-like and the latter in a more bushy way.

When you first top you get a top cutting, and the two new tops would render side-cuttings.

Depending on your preferences and situation you might find either way more appropriate.

If you don't like to mess with clones, don't have space for a motherplant or want to run perpetual grow you have a few reasons to go with seeds instead..

I've had better luck growing from seed with very little veg, than when growing from clones. I'm now trying 12/12 from seed for the first time after a few years break from growing, and expect to do it better on my next run, since i've never tried it before and am a bit rusty and unfamiliar with my new setup. I'm very exited to see how it works!

 

[coronasmith]

Okay I'm far from reading the entire thread but I don't understand how going directly to 12/12 is any faster? The plants not going to flower until it matures and you see preflowers. It's proven that plants grow 30% more on 24 hours of light compared to just 12. So you'll have smaller plants and smaller harvests going with 12/12.

 

[cocogrower]

Corona. I believe 18h gives the highest growth-rate, but bigger isn't always better. It's hard for the light to penetrate the massive canopy of big plants. I you ever grew 100 cm plants you might have found that most of the bud was located in the upper part of the plant.

The strains i've tried reached 90 cm with only 7 days of veg. I'm now trying this method and hoping for smaller plants. Here is a very comprehensive guide to the method.

http://www.nomercyseeds.eu/en/growinfo/12-12-system.htm

I'm not affiliated to the company, and wont buy their seeds because they are not feminized.

 

[cocogrower]

Hi, just want to show my girls again. They are 17 days old and i'm not really sure how they are supposed to look. Now one has showed sex yet i believe. I do think that a few of them are a bit underdeveloped.. Please be frank just not rude And never mind the tall girl to the right, she's an auto flowering orphan i took care of, that's been severely abused. i didn't have a blumat for her so she dried out a few times, and i also had to chop her head just when she started to develop a real top cola. Also pulled a few leafs to stunt her growth. It's not easy to be the step daughter..

 

[calikushkings]

Interesting thread.

 

[calikushkings]

Interesting thread

 

[coronasmith]

I've finished reading the thread and have to say for some this method will work better depending on their specific situation. My previous comment was incorrect about yield as with this method you can fit more plants in your space. I may try this at some point soon. Thanks to all involved in making this thread educational. If it's not a sticky why isn't it?

 

[cocogrower]

Hi Corona! I'm Glad you found that this method can have it's advantages! It's a bit ad that there is so little action in this thread now a days.. I'd love to see some fresh photos of 12/12 plants! I'll post an update of my plants. probably not the best example since it's my first run, and the light is sub par. Only 112 watts of inefficient china led, and less than that for most of the time due to heat problems.. 26 days old: