Zamaldelica

[dubi]

Sorry if I'm so off track, I just had to say this. Also Dubi didn't you mention a while back that your Killer Malawi Mum was tested at high THCV,THC, and CBD? Kush Kloud

Hi Kush_Kloud,

Yes, many years ago i thought that our Malawi had significant amounts of CBD and THCV due its very complex and very long lasting effect .... but later lab analysis proven i was wrong, it's a super rich THC sativa (with THC over 24 % when is correctly grown), with only traces of CBD and THCV. Here's a lab analysis of a Malawi from seed:

https://www.ironlaboratories.com/samples/potency_profile/31405

So the complexity of Malawi's effect is due its high THC levels and its terpene profile ... we have yet so much to learn about the synergy between the different cannabinoids and terpenes, even with just THC rich strains.

 

[dubi]

Regarding the CBD in ACE's Malawi, many of us assume that it was crossed with an indica at some point. There is a clone in Spain called CBD, I know some breeders have used it on their Africans.
It would make sense that Ace's Malawi was touched by CBD indica at some point. That also explains the 'heaviness' found in the effect of Ace's Malawi

That's an incorrect assumption.

I don't know what other breeders do, but i know what we do at ACE with the strains we work with.

I have done the whole Malawi's breeding to create the Malawi seedline and i have never introduced any indica or CBD strain in its genepool, i have only used Malawi plants from the same population, refining the line through selections over 3 generations.

Please, ask the source first before make statements based on others' rumours or second hand opinions.

 

[dubi]

... here is a pic of this Black Magic Woman
@ Dubi do you know something about?
many thx
M.
Ituri Noire
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Hi MadMac, what a beauty!

I have also read the stories from DJ Shorts about Black Magic african, it sounds really interesting but honestly i'm not sure if the congolese landraces we used to create our congolese strains are related to Black Magic african.

The Congo 3 sativa was a green sativa, Bangi Haze is mainly a green congolese hybrid, only Bangi Congo has some purple phenos.

Here are some Bangi Congo indoor pics, it can be very purple outdoors with lower temps.

 

[dubi]

Now onwards let's keep the thread on Zamaldelica's topic

 

[yoss33]

Zamaldelica (on the right side) from the first standard release, next to a feminized Panama bought from Ace in 2013. Can't wait to see them flower

 

[MrHamilton]

Absolutely in the top 3 of my all time favorites, and that means quite albit.

 

[Kush_Kloud]

Now onwards let's keep the thread on Zamaldelica's topic

Yes sir!, and thanks for the info and your work!


Kush Kloud

 

[2000pm]

Zamaldelica on a year+ cure.

Super smooth, taste/smell reminiscent of tangerines? High is "trippy" and sativa up. I get a pulsing wobbly sensation after hitting this stuff and it is very active. Cuts right through anything else I had been smoking on.

 

[orfeas]

This Jamaldelica is in a 30 lt pot at about two metres now. I've come to the 30lt pot in the hope of her early faster flowering. I think I've heard people(dubi?) saying that root restriction triggers that...

Any insight as to what pheno-leaning she might be and why she's been clawing her leaves?

Orpheus

 

[dubi]

Zamaldelica (on the right side) from the first standard release, next to a feminized Panama bought from Ace in 2013. Can't wait to see them flower
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Amazing bushes yoss33

Congrats for the great outdoor job, it must be a pleasure to sit in that chair and enjoy summer afternoons with the views

Best wishes for the flowering!

 

[dubi]

Absolutely in the top 3 of my all time favorites, and that means quite albit.

Thanks MrHamilton,

Your positive feedback means a lot for me. Wish you enjoy her!

 

[dubi]

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Zamaldelica on a year+ cure.

Super smooth, taste/smell reminiscent of tangerines? High is "trippy" and sativa up. I get a pulsing wobbly sensation after hitting this stuff and it is very active. Cuts right through anything else I had been smoking on.

Thanks 2000pm for sharing your Zamaldelica smoke report after a good curing.

Your description matches with my favourite Zamaldelica expressions: mandarine aromas with a strong and high quality uplifting effect that makes a difference compared with any other thing in the garden.

 

[dubi]

This Jamaldelica is in a 30 lt pot at about two metres now. I've come to the 30lt pot in the hope of her early faster flowering. I think I've heard people(dubi?) saying that root restriction triggers that...

Any insight as to what pheno-leaning she might be and why she's been clawing her leaves?

Orpheus

Hi orfeas,

Restrict pot size helps the sativas to start the flowering a bit earlier and to reduce the stretching in the first weeks of flowering. This is more evident with the semi auto flowering Zamal pheno of Zamaldelica from the original release, although this trait is hard to find in latest releases, i tried to breed out this trait.

If you repot a sativa in early flowering to a bigger pot with high N quantities then the sativa will grow/stretch heavily again and will delay the flowering.

The leaf clawing is most probably due excessive N in latest feedings. Zamaldelica usually doesn't need much N, but yours just have a slight curling.

Regarding your phenotype, the leaf traits and overall plant structure are quite 'thaish', guess it will be a late flowering one.

Best wishes

 

[Mr. Roseberry]

Hi orfeas,

Regarding your phenotype, the leaf traits and overall plant structure are quite 'thaish', guess it will be a late flowering one.

Best wishes

Can you tell us what to look for to identify the different phenos in regards to the vegetative structure? I have 2 right now that look considerably different. Both are very bushy but one has very long leaves and the other more fat. Obviously 2 different phenos but I was wondering what to expect for each as far as flowering time goes.

Thanks

Mr. Roseberry

 

[Terpene]

Dubis right - smaller pots make for more willing to flower (autoflower in veg) Zamaldelicas. If you start seeing flowers develop, odds are you're already rootbound.

There are two distinct phenos in the line, "short" denser plants that tend to lean more malawi. The others are tall spindly plants that tend to lean thai / zamal. The shorter ones are more dense, paralyzing and mildly energetic like malawi while the tall spindly ones tend to come out more crazy / scary / electric energetic.

The REALLY spindly ones end up being a bit too scary for me.

Most of those who have grown these phenos tend to say something like I did about the smoke: Its nice to go balls to the wall occasionally, but I cant smoke this stuff after work on a Tuesday night, its just way too intense / terrifying.

 

[Thcvhunter]

Much Love for that info, Terpine

 

[ValleyKush]

Hey dubi, I am very interested in finding this auto zamal trait for outdoor. I am at 48n and an outdoor sativa lover so this trait is very appealing. Would I likely have an easyer time finding the trait in zamal hash outcrosses as they are closer to the original zamal?

Although I rather not introduce indica genetics and using zamaladelica is a much more appealing route, which I am most likely going to take. What percentage do you think the auto pheno comes up in the new release? I sure wish their was a way to get my hands on the original release..... of coarse I am very grateful for all of your work on this line and completely understand breeding away from the trait.

 

[dubi]

Hi Valley Kush,

There's a big difference between auto flowering and semi autoflowering strains.
Real auto flowering plants start to flower after a few weeks of life and they don't stop regardless the photoperiod, that's why you cannot keep clones of auto flowering plants.

On the other hand, semi auto flowering plants can be preserved in clone form indoors with very high photoperiods, intense light intensity and without restrict root space.

Semi autoflowering plants could be an adavantage over the 'normal' photodependant plants as they will start to flower earlier outdoors, having more chances to finish in colder northern climates.
But honestly this kind of breeding has not been a priority for ACE, we mainly breed for quality in our climate and indoors.

Only the first Zamaldelica standard release had some semi auto flowering phenos and they were not so frequent, they are less likely to happen in newer Zamaldelica releases, as i commented i avoided this kind of semi auto flowering phenos in latest versions.

 

[dubi]

Can you tell us what to look for to identify the different phenos in regards to the vegetative structure? I have 2 right now that look considerably different. Both are very bushy but one has very long leaves and the other more fat. Obviously 2 different phenos but I was wondering what to expect for each as far as flowering time goes.

Thanks

Mr. Roseberry

Hi Mr. Roseberry,

It's not difficult to identify the different Zamaldelica phenos in the growing stage if you are familiarized with the landrace genetics involved in the hybrid (Zamal, Malawi and Thai).

Zamal phenos have a super bushy delicate branching (octopus branching) with smaller thinner leaves, a bit like the one posted by yoss in the first post of this page.

Thai phenos tend to grow taller, more columnar, less bushy, with recognizable thai leaf traits like the one posted by orfeas in this page.

Malawi phenos are also quite easy to recognize, it has a stronger more open kind of branching, with usually bigger darker leaves.

Keep in mind Zamaldelica is a polyhybrid not fully stabilized towards one concrete pheno, so there are combinations inbetween, and also it's very important to finally judge and select for flowering traits, terpene profile and effects.

Regarding flowering times, more zamal dominant plants are the fastest, then the Malawi phenos and finally the thais.

Here's one of our favourite Zamaldelica mothers (Zamal dominant) growing outdoors, it was planted from clone in early June and now in late August reaches 2.5 meters of height with a very healthy lateral branching. It has just started to flower.

 

[orfeas]

Hello would be daddy of a daughter!

Here's my other Jamaldelica sitting in the ground not showing any signs of flowering as of yesterday... judging by the leaves (thin, small and lime green) and octopus branching(what a branching!) is it Jamal leaning?

Orpheus