YukonKronic
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Hey come to think of it any pheno id on that s1fem would be nice... I've been thinking she was kinda Zam/nkm but I also thought the super resinous one was Meo thai/Zam so maybe I'm not quite so on point as I'd like to be?
Zamaldelica
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YukonKronic
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The pheno in question has super strong candy sweet pineapple/mango
aromas kind of stemmy flowers that don't get very dense and decent crystal with strong kinda shroomy reality warp upon smoking... why I thought maybe Zam don..
aromas kind of stemmy flowers that don't get very dense and decent crystal with strong kinda shroomy reality warp upon smoking... why I thought maybe Zam don..
YukonKronic
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Think this is a Zam/Guatemala
This too:
Above is another super resinous Zam
YukonKronic
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Some dry buds of said resinous Zam, might be multiple phenos... I'm a stoner; don't remember
Looks like I'm getting better with her, 1 month from harvest.
Full BioTabs (startrex, mycotrex, orgatrex, bactrex, growtabs) and Biotabs PK 5-8, love those inputs so far
Made some test for those ones. One trimmed, the other one not. Started at the same time, same pot size, same inputs. I wonder which one will yield better
The tiny one is obviously the mother plant, heavy trimming to make a nice little bonsai.
Full BioTabs (startrex, mycotrex, orgatrex, bactrex, growtabs) and Biotabs PK 5-8, love those inputs so far
Made some test for those ones. One trimmed, the other one not. Started at the same time, same pot size, same inputs. I wonder which one will yield better
The tiny one is obviously the mother plant, heavy trimming to make a nice little bonsai.
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chronosync
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Zamaldelica fem @ 4.5 weeks
chronosync
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Looks like I'm getting better with her, 1 month from harvest.
Full BioTabs (startrex, mycotrex, orgatrex, bactrex, growtabs) and Biotabs PK 5-8, love those inputs so far
Made some test for those ones. One trimmed, the other one not. Started at the same time, same pot size, same inputs. I wonder which one will yield better
The tiny one is obviously the mother plant, heavy trimming to make a nice little bonsai.
Nice looking plants!
How many weeks are they, there?
chronosync
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I have a question for everyone,
How much do they grow after stretch is over and buds are set? I'm running out of room! I honestly thought I was flipping way early to give them plenty of space. I didn't care about yield, I just want to try this stuff and have enough to play around with a cob or two
How much do they grow after stretch is over and buds are set? I'm running out of room! I honestly thought I was flipping way early to give them plenty of space. I didn't care about yield, I just want to try this stuff and have enough to play around with a cob or two
Chronosync: some never stop stretching, though that explosive rate quickly fades, by weeks 5-6... though it still noticeable until weeks 7-8, at least on some sativas.
You should train her so that the maximum amount of stalks form an even canopy towards the lightning w/o blocking light to other budsites.
Zamaldelica is very flexible, so pliable wire like wirehangers can be very handy. Shes also very cappricious/random on where deciding to stretch, so you'd better go along with her desires (vs supercropping, she don't seem to fancy); just don't hesitate in repositioning the tops for optimal / even distribution, away from direct fans, etc... she'll respond with happiness: tons of hairs all around down to the main stem.
You should train her so that the maximum amount of stalks form an even canopy towards the lightning w/o blocking light to other budsites.
Zamaldelica is very flexible, so pliable wire like wirehangers can be very handy. Shes also very cappricious/random on where deciding to stretch, so you'd better go along with her desires (vs supercropping, she don't seem to fancy); just don't hesitate in repositioning the tops for optimal / even distribution, away from direct fans, etc... she'll respond with happiness: tons of hairs all around down to the main stem.
Hi YukonKronic,
To clone all the parental plants prior to flowering and harvest is a must if you are serious into selecting the best from the batch for future grows and for advancing in your breeding. When a special plant is lost, it's lost forever and you may find something of the same quality in the same lot, or not. Although i understand not all the growers have the facilities to clone everything before flowering.
Zamaldelica x Guatemala sounds like music to my ears
Well done!
I'm having trouble to follow you in so many post but i will do my best to reply.
S1 generations are notoriously less yielding than the original polyhybrid where the seeds came from.
The candy mango fruity smelling terpenes come from Zamaldelica elite parental plant without any doubt, while the extreme resin production and huge size of the trichomes come from the Malawi Killer phenos.
Hope it helps.
Lovely bush repuk
I think she has produced again leaves with 5 leaflets, a sign that she will have the potential to flower properly after the revegging process.
Looks like I'm getting better with her, 1 month from harvest.
Full BioTabs (startrex, mycotrex, orgatrex, bactrex, growtabs) and Biotabs PK 5-8, love those inputs so far
Made some test for those ones. One trimmed, the other one not. Started at the same time, same pot size, same inputs. I wonder which one will yield better
The tiny one is obviously the mother plant, heavy trimming to make a nice little bonsai.
Hi BenoitV1984,
Looking excellent!
My Goddess, the main cola of the untopped one is going to be a monster! Sorry in case it was mentioned earlier ... are you growing Zamaldelica regular version, right ?You are really mastering this Zamaldelica Zamal/Thai pheno in your setup, glad to see you are still growing her from clones.
I have a question for everyone,
How much do they grow after stretch is over and buds are set? I'm running out of room! I honestly thought I was flipping way early to give them plenty of space. I didn't care about yield, I just want to try this stuff and have enough to play around with a cob or two
Hi chronosync,
Zamaldelica is a polyhybrid and although Zamaldelica fem version has a more compact size and stretch lesser, the stretching greatly depends on the pheno you are growing (and also on the growing variables).
Yours looks like a Zamal/Thai, and these kind of phenos like to stretch quite into the flowering .... she will probably stretch until 6-7th week of flowering although a more overall pic of the plant showing also the space left in your indoor setup will help to determine it better.
Hi Dubi,Hi BenoitV1984,
Looking excellent!
You are really mastering this Zamaldelica Zamal/Thai pheno in your setup, glad to see you are still growing her from clones.
Yep, it is the regular version from 2016. I think they were F3 these days. Maybe you can confirm/disconfirm this.
Thank you for your kind words, really appreciate this
. I don't plan of throwing that mother plant ever, got a keeper here .By the way, I had lots of seeds in last harvest, but temp raised to 40-45°C at top of canopy during summer heatwave... Nothing I could do about it. Could it be a stress somehow? Got some on this one too but way way less and didn't get any anymore after I cut the few seeded calyx.
Chronosync, my untopped one was like 40cm the day I put it in my 12/12 box. Now, she's almost 150cm. Do the math 
dubi said:
Yes! Didn't know that, love the insights you share!
But yes, she feels comfy, looks bulkier and in "exploring her shoes" phase I'd say... she drinks very little, so this colonizing process is slightly more difficult to assess with her as the wet/dry cycles take much longer.
I cannot leave her top to completely dry, as the "core" is the original coco, which I cannot let dry completely or roots will die.
When would be a good time to up-pot her to 190L + bat guano? Or won't be worth due to the final potential size?
Will take pictures, after powdering diatomaceous earth on her she looks messy
Dubi, pictures of that untopped main cola high resolution so you can see it better if you want to
https://bvalenduc.myds.me/zamaldelica/ZD_02.jpg
I put a link as it is rather big size (2 672px × 4 000px)
Your browser will probably issue a warning about security, but you can go unworried, it's my home server. I obviously didn't pay for a "valid" SSL certificate
https://bvalenduc.myds.me/zamaldelica/ZD_02.jpg
I put a link as it is rather big size (2 672px × 4 000px)
Your browser will probably issue a warning about security, but you can go unworried, it's my home server. I obviously didn't pay for a "valid" SSL certificate
YukonKronic
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Hey Dubi thanks for reply sorry for confused posting... been interesting trying to remember exactly which plants came from what seed and when. I guess that's why everyone says take notes even if you don't think it'll be a big deal! I'll preface next bit with the origins of seedlot that Zam 13 (super frosty one you pointed out) came from because I was a bit unclear in earlier posts.
I got a very squat phenotype from Zam fems packed in 2015; this pheno had darker green leaves w/African "shape" to them. It had horizontal side branching but stayed squat and bushy. I assumed it to be NKM dominant until I saw that it's buds were of a very stemmy fluffy (cereal like as others here have called it) structure arranged onto the thick little colas. This plant also had VERY strong mango candy terps that I associate with Zamal. This plant flowered about 9 weeks and then flashed over to ripeness in about a week maybe 10 days. I remember being surprised at the speed with which it suddenly ripened. Throughout flowering sporadically and more heavily in the last week this plant also threw occasional singles or clusters of hermaphroditic flowers.
I knew this was undesirable but also recognized that they were likely a result of terrible temperature control and if I was careful and selective w/subsequent generations I could probably avoid excessive hermaphroditism. So I grew the seeds and selected what I thought to be a very Zamal dominant pheno (the vegetative plant pictured earlier) that I called Zdom and what I thought to be a couple Thai/Zamal phenos and ran them.
The Zdom threw intersex flowers again but again I recognized that it was probably grower error bringing out a tendency that had already been extensively discussed as a a recessive trait (honestly I also knew herms were associated with Zamal and I wanted the Zamal trippyness). Sooo I let the run finish and kept the seeds from the frostiest Thai/Zamal pheno.
It is in these seeds that I have found now 3 of the very resinous Zam dominant phenotype that you pointed out to me. I kept the first one I found for over a year and called it #13 (my lucky number).
Because I still have Zdom for potential breeding as well as another Zam pheno with higher yield and comparable resin to 13 I discarded the 13 in favour of the others but ONLY once I had found out I could dig it out again by popping more of that seedlot and ONLY after I crossed it with my Guatemalan x Zam line.
I'm actually really interested in the Guatemalan/ Zam x Zam 13 seeds so I can look for a good stud for later projects and to infuse more Zam and potency back into the Guatemalan cross. Guatemala did a good job giving back some vigour to my selfed line as well as adding really nice strawberry terps and some extra sourness that makes it all "pop" a bit more. Bud structure was also tightened up and "Americanized" a bit as well as a really great trippy goofy component added to the trippy weirdness of the Zam high.. actually the effect might be superior to the Zam as it has a MUCH more Irie vibe to it..
Anyhow I felt like I should explain why I culled a plant the breeder said was exceptional and I gotta say even having considered it carefully and gone over the reasoning I still feel nervous about it.. hopefully future results from her seed will bear out my strategy as a successful one.
Thanks again for your replies Dubi. I'm with all the others who admire your dedication to helping your customers get the most out of your products... LOVE the sativas. Would NEVER get a chance at herbs like this in Yukon and I found out that trip weeds can take a scary ass PTSD flashback and make it into something a little more manageable if you find the right genetics to go with your brain chemistry. Anyone else suffering try the trip weeds and the ones high in limonene, the reality shift from trip weeds can jar you out of terror sometimes and limonene is a known euphoriant and anti depressant. Worked for me, probably saving my life.... small caveat: scary trip weed can make scarier flashbacks. TEST EXTENSIVELY in small doses before trying to smoke your way out of intense anguish. Having someone who loves you nearby is a good idea until you know it won't make things worse (ha! like it gets worse).
Tnx again for replies everyone...
I got a very squat phenotype from Zam fems packed in 2015; this pheno had darker green leaves w/African "shape" to them. It had horizontal side branching but stayed squat and bushy. I assumed it to be NKM dominant until I saw that it's buds were of a very stemmy fluffy (cereal like as others here have called it) structure arranged onto the thick little colas. This plant also had VERY strong mango candy terps that I associate with Zamal. This plant flowered about 9 weeks and then flashed over to ripeness in about a week maybe 10 days. I remember being surprised at the speed with which it suddenly ripened. Throughout flowering sporadically and more heavily in the last week this plant also threw occasional singles or clusters of hermaphroditic flowers.
I knew this was undesirable but also recognized that they were likely a result of terrible temperature control and if I was careful and selective w/subsequent generations I could probably avoid excessive hermaphroditism. So I grew the seeds and selected what I thought to be a very Zamal dominant pheno (the vegetative plant pictured earlier) that I called Zdom and what I thought to be a couple Thai/Zamal phenos and ran them.
The Zdom threw intersex flowers again but again I recognized that it was probably grower error bringing out a tendency that had already been extensively discussed as a a recessive trait (honestly I also knew herms were associated with Zamal and I wanted the Zamal trippyness). Sooo I let the run finish and kept the seeds from the frostiest Thai/Zamal pheno.
It is in these seeds that I have found now 3 of the very resinous Zam dominant phenotype that you pointed out to me. I kept the first one I found for over a year and called it #13 (my lucky number).
Because I still have Zdom for potential breeding as well as another Zam pheno with higher yield and comparable resin to 13 I discarded the 13 in favour of the others but ONLY once I had found out I could dig it out again by popping more of that seedlot and ONLY after I crossed it with my Guatemalan x Zam line.
I'm actually really interested in the Guatemalan/ Zam x Zam 13 seeds so I can look for a good stud for later projects and to infuse more Zam and potency back into the Guatemalan cross. Guatemala did a good job giving back some vigour to my selfed line as well as adding really nice strawberry terps and some extra sourness that makes it all "pop" a bit more. Bud structure was also tightened up and "Americanized" a bit as well as a really great trippy goofy component added to the trippy weirdness of the Zam high.. actually the effect might be superior to the Zam as it has a MUCH more Irie vibe to it..
Anyhow I felt like I should explain why I culled a plant the breeder said was exceptional and I gotta say even having considered it carefully and gone over the reasoning I still feel nervous about it.. hopefully future results from her seed will bear out my strategy as a successful one.
Thanks again for your replies Dubi. I'm with all the others who admire your dedication to helping your customers get the most out of your products... LOVE the sativas. Would NEVER get a chance at herbs like this in Yukon and I found out that trip weeds can take a scary ass PTSD flashback and make it into something a little more manageable if you find the right genetics to go with your brain chemistry. Anyone else suffering try the trip weeds and the ones high in limonene, the reality shift from trip weeds can jar you out of terror sometimes and limonene is a known euphoriant and anti depressant. Worked for me, probably saving my life.... small caveat: scary trip weed can make scarier flashbacks. TEST EXTENSIVELY in small doses before trying to smoke your way out of intense anguish. Having someone who loves you nearby is a good idea until you know it won't make things worse (ha! like it gets worse).
Tnx again for replies everyone...
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