Zamaldelica - The Search for Trip Weed

[YukonKronic]

I must say, I doubted the reports of carrot scent being a possible dominant aspect of this line, as I had never smelled anything close to carrot in cannabis before. Even at three weeks though, a light rub of the resinous stem of plant 'A' smacks you in the face with the smell of a carrot pulled right from the ground, it even has a back rich soil undertone.

So wild. Never experienced anything like it. So stoked to try it out. Only...like a year to go till some is harvested and we'll cured.

Keep trying ACE genetics out. Some of the smells and flavours are totally unreal! Panama can legitimately smell like lemons and vanilla... I have a MalawixPanama that is pan dominant and it’s all lemon sherbet vanilla and marshmallow when I pull the bag out.

 

[ThaiBliss]

TB, you have a beautiful girl!

Thanks! I'm a proud papa.

 

[SolarLogos]

I'm way behind you peeps, but I'm trying, I'm trying real hard:
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ThaiBliss

Yes, she is growing up to be beautiful! Can't wait till she gets past puberty and starts stacking it on.
Peace, God bless

 

[ThaiBliss]

Breadwizard - Have you snuck a way too early smoke from the Zamaldelica? I'd sure like to hear how it turned out.

I'm still waiting for flowers to form:

I got nothin'!

ThaiBliss

 

[dubi]

She is gorgeous ThaiBliss

Wish your quest and efforts will be finally rewarded!
Keep clones of her, just in case

 

[ThaiBliss]

Greetings Everyone,

My poor Zamaldelica selection. It has been suffering a very early start to the rainy season. We've had over 1.5 inches of rain so far this month, and some cold nights. I sure picked a tropical one. All Zamaldelica outdoor growers I've seen have buds starting already. As of last weekend, nothing on mine. I'm anxious to check again this Saturday.

On the bright side, it does have lots of pre-flower pistils all over, including pretty high up the tops of the branches. Also, the cutting I took growing indoors is throwing off some very peppery aromas, which I like very much. This plant has gone through some drastic terpene changes. First it was like pineapple. One time I smelled a very strong sour citric. I have not smelled pepper on the outside one, but indoors it is the dominant aroma. I have a second cutting attempt. I took it the same time as the first one, months ago. It is still alive, and it has actually grown some, but no roots visible. I was planning on putting it out in the greenhouse and trying to get seeds with the rest of my exotics. I'm fearing I'll have to make a choice, keep the cutting or make seeds and risk a second attempt at a cutting.

I guess the other good news is that the other selection of Zamaldelica has not thrown a single pistil yet. Not even sure of the gender. Same for my other exotics, Laos, Gypsy Thai cross, and Fett's 303. At least the big Zamaldelica in the garden has pistils. I suppose this all indicates that the seeds I have are from the earliest F2 or F3 wildest generations.

Dubi - What ancestor do you think that exceptionally peppery terpene is coming from?

Thanks,

ThaiBliss

 

[ThaiBliss]

 

[Shooters]

Remember that Zamaldelica has auto-flowering traits, when it gets root bound it will start flowering. I've had a pepper pheno planted in my greenhouse that didn't start flowering till Nov, while a clone of the same plant started much earlier by leaving it in a 5gal pot, though it did flower it still took 17 weeks to finish indoors.

 

[ThaiBliss]

Shooters - How was the high on that peppery pheno you had?

 

[Shooters]

Sensory overload with some kick ass paranoia, every thing was enhanced but music and walking the trails through the woods was where it shined for me. You could feels the trees breathing while the music would flow through you. Long lasting high too, and the smoke was pure black pepper. Kinda nasty but was worth it. Never finished it out doors but ran her three times indoors leaving me with three quart jars mostly full to play with from time to time, when I need a break from the daily grind.

 

[ThaiBliss]

Thanks Shooters. Good descriptions. That is how Thai stick is for me. Sensory overload. Once you relax after the initial startle of it, you just sort of let it pass through you. It's a lot to sift through, so just don't. It's too much too analyze/compartmentalize. Enjoy the beauty of it as it all drifts by. Not everyday weed.

So hoping I can get some buds before the first hard freeze or constant rain. I've re-read Yoss33's thread from last year about 3 more times. I have a NEED for this type of weed.

LOL

 

[yesum]

Black pepper hmmmm. My all time craziest/trippiest smoke tasted like black pepper. Pretty sure it was Mexican but maybe a connection here?

 

[SolarLogos]

Black pepper hmmmm. My all time craziest/trippiest smoke tasted like black pepper. Pretty sure it was Mexican but maybe a connection here?

Greetings friend. I believe the black pepper comes from the sesquiterpene beta-caryophyllene, from the zamal. I'm growing zamaldelica and have been looking for strains with beta-caryophyllene. It seems to be present in really trippy weed and I suspect it may have something to do with the trippy effects, even though it's supposed to calm you down.
Peace, God bless

 

[ThaiBliss]

Greetings,

There have been a number of strains that had peppery notes that I liked very much. I just read that the caryophyllene terpene is unique in that it attaches to CB2 receptors, I believe it is one of the same receptors that THC attaches to. CB2 receptors are in the nervous system outside of the brain. Does this mean more of THC settles in the brain in the CB1 receptors? One description of the effect of caryophyllene terpene is "a sense of well being". I don't know about others, but one of the traits of what I describe as trip weed is a feeling that all is right in the world. I get this on Thai Sticks after the adrenaline rush subsides a bit. I have that feeling despite the sensory overload feeling that is concurrent. Now that combo IS trippy. I get this sense of well being strongly in my SAGE cutting that I have bred with. It's also noted in other old school Mexican strains. I thought it might be associated with pinene, and it may well be, but also, apparently, with caryophyllene.

The strain "Seeing God" noted in my signature was notably peppery. It had a very good high, but was as early ripening as the Baglung Nepali I grew this summer. I have suspected for a long time that Seeing God was a Nepalese strain. It may have not been a world class high, IMO, but very desired because the combo of potency, quality high, and early ripening. This makes it one of the strains I most regret losing.

B.T.W., I reviewed my notes the other day to find out about a strain that started to flower. I noticed that the other Zamaldelica cutting I have also has peppery aroma. So it turns out that I selected two out of twelve Zamaldelica seedlings to bring to maturity, and both have expressed peppery notes in the aroma, as well as pineapple/citric.

ThaiBliss

 

[YukonKronic]

I also have noticed peppery aroma being associated with trippy clear and engaging (not racy but NOT calming... engaging?) highs.

I think I have seen pepper (and actually the best one was like chilli peppers when the fruit smell folded into the pepper) in my most racy/trippy Zam phenos.
Edit: upon realization of self contradiction I thought I should clarify that considering what SolarLogos has found about the seemingly odd relationship between a supposedly calming terpene and racy/trippy weed I believe perhaps the Caryophyllene has an engaging effect making us more connected to feelings of other cannabinoids or terpenes that cause excitement and trippiness. I wonder at the synergistic effects of limonene Brta-Caryophyllene and CBG in our quest for trip weed.
End edit.

All my plants have always had changing aromas through their life... the chilli pepper smell I can recall most clearly on Z13 at around three to four weeks or so of true flower... right as stretching slows and stacking starts to pick up.

 

[YukonKronic]

Also.. Thai. When I get happy with my ZamxGuatemala line RE: stability I want to send you some seed brother. It ain’t super racy but damn... it trips me out and the strawberry Terps are amazing. I suspect you might find it a nice little toke here and there or even maybe worth breeding with..
I just crossed the best one yet to a 3 male blend of Bruce Banner but I’m planning to keep ZamxGuatemala going as an IBL too.
The Banner cross might be wild though. I was impressed with Bruceys power and clarity (for a hybrid) and felt the effects as well as flavours would be complementary to ZamxGuatemala.

Lol I already got way stronger strawberry Terps than Bruce though.. didn’t expect that Banner is known for strawberry. Maybe I need to grow more Banner.

 

[dubi]

Hi ThaiBliss,

The black pepper aromas in Zamaldelica regular version comes from the Thai side of the hybrid.
Zamaldelica's Thai dominant black pepper phenos produce super electric cerebral effects with no ceiling or body heaviness, can be scary for those not used to this kind of effects.

Wish the weather there allows her to go enough into flowering and ripening.

Dubi - What ancestor do you think that exceptionally peppery terpene is coming from?

Thanks,

ThaiBliss

 

[ThaiBliss]

Hi ThaiBliss,

The black pepper aromas in Zamaldelica regular version comes from the Thai side of the hybrid.
Zamaldelica's Thai dominant black pepper phenos produce super electric cerebral effects with no ceiling or body heaviness, can be scary for those not used to this kind of effects.

Wish the weather there allows her to go enough into flowering and ripening.

:yay:

 

[Dropped Cat]

Black pepper.

I flower a thunk that is black pepper, Sam confirmed that
was from the Thai.

I flowered a couple Zamaldelica from 2014 stock, carrot mango,
and pineapple, good smoke, but the plants were incompatible
with my grow environment and were culled.

I wonder what parent stock is currently in play that gives the black pepper.

 

[ThaiBliss]

DC,

I think in the last 10 years, the best weed I smoked was Thai x Skunk. I was told it was Thai when they were trying to sell some to me, but later admitted the real blend. It lacked the electricity of pure Thai, but it was very good and potent. I was at a hempfest in a cow field. 20 minutes after smoking I kept being surprised by the dips in the elevation level of the ground. No matter how hard I tried, I kept falling off the edge of those 3 inch cliffs. I kept thinking how funny it was. I was doing fine before the smoke. Hahaha

ThaiBliss