Zamaldelica - The Search for Trip Weed

[Shooters]

Greetings,

My plants have this infestation of insects that look like gnats. The only thing I have found researching is fungus gnats, but they seem to be hanging out at the meristem and doing damage to the newly forming leaves. I'm hoping that a change in our wet start to our dry season will allow the plants to outgrow the issue. I still go out and manually smash a dozen of the little b@st@rds every day.

In doing so, I came across a really strong smelling plant. It has a very fresh and zesty lemon aroma with a sweet candy and fuel aroma all wound up into one awesome nasal blast. Might be the most pungent terpenes of any of my plants this year, so far. Nice!

T.B.

Thai, check your root wads, root aphids when mature will pop out of the soil and look a lot like fungus gnats. Also check the area for ants, as ants will "farm" the root aphids.

 

[ThaiBliss]

Thai, check your root wads, root aphids when mature will pop out of the soil and look a lot like fungus gnats. Also check the area for ants, as ants will "farm" the root aphids.

Oh gosh yes, ants!

I really screwed up. I sprouted some of my most valuable seeds, but used bags of soil left over from last year, that have been laying on the ground. I'm a cheap SOB.

One bag was filled with ants. I didn't use much of that bag, but the others had low levels of ants. I learned a painful lesson.

When I recently transplanted, I saw healthy looking roots, from afar, but apparently not healthy enough. I transplanted early because we had some days of hot weather, and I'm not home enough to monitor them closely and water at the right moment. I also watered too much to avoid them drying out and dying. When it is 82 outside like a couple days last week, it gets over 100 in the greenhouse. Soil being too wet exasperates the condition, I reckon.

The plan moving forward: I'm going to buy some nematodes that eat larvae in the soil. Despite the infestation, and the deformed leaves, the plants are growing rapidly. They will outgrow these pots in a week or so, depending on weather. I'll also move them out of the greenhouse soon, and they will be exposed to the harshness and balance of nature. Other critters and conditions will make life harder on any one single pest.

Thanks for the information,

ThaiBliss

 

[ThaiBliss]

Greetings,

I spread nematodes everywhere and am waiting for recovery. In the meantime, here is a promising looking phenotype:

I've been spending the last week reading Terpene's kick ass thread, Zamaldelica. I have half a mind pointing people to it with a URL and doing all my posting there.

ThaiBliss

 

[dubi]

Hi ThaiBliss,

Sorry to hear about the infestation when starting to sow your seeds for the outdoor season.
Hope you manage to solve it before the plants get bigger.
When plants are small is much easier to fully eradicate any plague.

That baby looks like is showing Thai traits in early stage, hope you find Zamaldelica phenos with the Thai character you are looking for.

Are you growing original Zamaldelica regular release (pre April 2015) ? Or the latest Zamaldelica regular releases F2-F3 ?
If you are growing latest Zamaldelica regular releases then i wouldn't discard any seedling based on leaf traits, because F2-F3 generations of polyhybrids can produce a very high amount of genetic recombination with chances of producing Thai dominant flowers in phenos that in growth don't look much Thai.

 

[ThaiBliss]

Thanks Dubi.

Are you growing original Zamaldelica regular release (pre April 2015) ? Or the latest Zamaldelica regular releases F2-F3 ?

I wish I remembered. I do remember ordering a regular pack. I think it was at least 3 or more years ago. I think you knew what I was looking for and allowed me another pack as the freebie which is not normal. But because of my quest and your confidence that Zamaldelica was the one that would help me, you went out of your way to make sure I had enough to chose from. Thanks again by the way. I remember hoping that you were giving me old ones that were the ones most likely to allow me to find a more pure Thai phenos, but it wasn't made explicit. It was probably just my fantasy. The latest time it could be is 2015, but when I remember back, I'm usually surprised that events were older than what I remember.

I've been sitting on them for a time when I would have a good male to make them ripen earlier.
T.B.

 

[ThaiBliss]

If you are growing latest Zamaldelica regular releases then i wouldn't discard any seedling based on leaf traits, because F2-F3 generations of polyhybrids can produce a very high amount of genetic recombination with chances of producing Thai dominant flowers in phenos that in growth don't look much Thai.

Just for clarity, I don't discard based on only one trait. It may seem so because I'm making so many comments about them lately. At this stage, I am limited to leaf traits, growth pattern, vigor, terpenes, and perhaps others that I'm doing unconciously. I think these are enough for some limited culling at this time.

Here is an example, not of one I'd cull at this time, but of an arrangement of favorites that contradict leaf shape, but based on expressions including leaf traits I can observe today:

I think this plant's leaves remind me much more of Thai than my current favorite plant already posted. But, it is not as pungent, and the terpenes are more dark/rich/earthy (myrcene?). It doesn't smell as citric/tart aroma as my favorite. I cannot detect even a trace of pinene in this very healthy plant. This one is more squat, while most of the Thai I have experience with are some of the lankiest plants.

On the other hand, I do not hang my hat solely in Mendel theory. I believe it is more of a bare bones simple model to explain some tendencies. What I notice is that when I see traits of a strain, even in the F2+ generations, it is more likely that I will find other additional traits from the same strain in that same plant. I'd go as far as to think that there is a tendency to recombine back to the ancestral parents. If Mendel was the only law governing breeding, it would be astronomically small chances that you would see a spitting image throwback to an original great grand parent. The Mendel theory would explain this only in the F2 generation. In further inbred or unrelated outbred generations, chances of this would become less and less likely. But, I have seen this a number of times after several generations past the F2. I sure don't grow enough numbers to have seen what would be such an infinitely small chance of ever witnessing this. In fact, mathematically, this might be impossible. Logically thinking, once you go down a certain fork in the road trying to bring traits from each parent together, and thus eliminating traits of each parent, how would it be possible to see high numbers of traits of one parent all arrive in one individual ever again? Did you see my picture of a Bangi Haze that looks just like plants in Nepal? I don't even think this looks like the Nepal plant that was used to breed Bangi Haze. I would be surprised to know that you have one like it as a saved parent of one of your many cousin lines to preserve diversity, since the throw back Nepal plant seriously lacks vigor.
Here is a picture of that Bangi Haze:

I would welcome any disagreement. I'm sure you grow more numbers and line breed extensively enough to have a more well informed opinion than I have. First, just consider if you have noticed anything that would support my idea that would contradict the logic of a pure Mendel model. I may be overlooking something. Or you can pass, but please don't be timid from giving tips in the future. We need them! This is not religion. To get better and more refined ideas, it is best to challenge each other a little now and then. That is the spirit of this post, my friend.


ThaiBliss

 

[ThaiBliss]

My favorite Zamaldelica has perked up and stretched out. I thought it was going to be a short and bushy plant, but it is shooting up like a rocket now:

The internode length is still short, but all the growth in from the apical meristem at the moment. The only things stretching out sideways are the fan leaves

ThaiBliss

 

[ThaiBliss]

Numero Uno:

T.B.

 

[YukonKronic]

Numero Uno:
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T.B.

HAhahaaa... here comes beastmode... she’s already rooted entire pot hasn’t she? Looks a lot like Thai/Zamal phenotypes to me.. I’m really looking forward to seeing for sure come flower... I had very similar phenotypes in a green house up here one summer.. plants grew into a 4x8 trellis then upwards to about seven feet!
That took them a little less than two months. I tried light dep but they didn’t even initiate until August and frost comes in September at the latest so I gave up... lot of fun though and the smell just from vegging plants was beautiful... sweet/spicy green mango or lemongrass or ginger and sometimes chilli pepper smells... all really exotic to my nose especially in cannabis form I think one of those plants became the “tryffyd” or “kraken” I talk about here sometimes... come to think of it Zam13 May have been among them as well.

 

[YukonKronic]

Some plants get a really bright limey green tint on emergent foliage that fades to regular colour as leaves fully spread out... those I thought were usually more tropical Zamal influenced. Probably not a very reliable observation as I only came across 3 or 4 examples but they all displayed horizontal branching and asymmetric leaf petioles as well as other tropical traits.

 

[Breadwizard]

I've got three shades of green on my zamaldelicas so far.

A: tallest, spring green/yellow, red woody stem
B: widest, medium green, horizontal branching
C: long inernode, medium green, floppy
D: thinnest leaf, dark green, irregular branching
E: whirl shape, dark green, very irregular

Thinking A and C are males, A definitely.

 

[ThaiBliss]

HAhahaaa... here comes beastmode... she’s already rooted entire pot hasn’t she? Looks a lot like Thai/Zamal phenotypes to me..

A lot of plants are big enough that I have to water twice a day. Then again, it gets really hot in the greenhouse during the day, perhaps 100 degrees or more. The black pots get really hot. I think some wilt just because of the hot soil. The one pictured is one of the smallest that soak up so much water. I'm leaving them root bound until I can find the first pistil. Then the keepers go into 2 gallon pots, or into the ground in my outside garden. I think I will take a chance on my #1 Zamaldelica selection in the outdoor garden. When it starts to get bigger, I'll take two cuttings. One for the preservation cabinet, and the other for seeds in the greenhouse.

... sweet/spicy green mango or lemongrass or ginger and sometimes chilli pepper smells... all really exotic to my nose especially in cannabis form I think one of those plants became the “tryffyd” or “kraken” I talk about here sometimes... come to think of it Zam13 May have been among them as well.

I get a lot of different smells off of that plant. It's funny how plant aroma can change depending on conditions, but this one is especially complex.

It looks like a lot of Zamal, perhaps some Thai, but no horizontal branching quite yet. We'll see.

Thanks for the encouragement.

ThaiBliss

 

[ThaiBliss]

I've got three shades of green on my zamaldelicas so far.

A: tallest, spring green/yellow, red woody stem
B: widest, medium green, horizontal branching
C: long inernode, medium green, floppy
D: thinnest leaf, dark green, irregular branching
E: whirl shape, dark green, very irregular

Thinking A and C are males, A definitely.

D might be your Thai pheno. I'd love to see pictures of all of them.

 

[Breadwizard]

I'll take a few pics later today. They're not much to look at, as I'm very limited on my vertical space (yet I'm growing sativas, clearly a masochist). I employ a pretty extensive training program, which leaves plants pretty dwarfed and ugly in early stages. However, you can still see plenty of structural queues if you listen to what they tell you. Leaf shape, color, vigor, node size, strength, flexibility, and how symmetrical the plant will tend to grow.

E, the whorled phyllotaxy plant, once topped, has the freakest structure, growing it's side branches like a fibonacci spiral, very unique!

 

[Breadwizard]

Here's a group shot of the zam seedlings, they've been topped manifold style to have 4 tops each, except 'a' which has two (figure it's male anyhow, it does not like being forced to branch.

And a close up on 'e' which was the whorled plant.

 

[zachrockbadenof]

here is my zam at 76 days- tricomes still mostly clear with a few cloudy/amber - i'm figuring another 2odd weeks give or take... comments??? - dubi said about a month ago he thought its an african leaning pheno... comment?? -

this lady is now the only plant still standing... i have her by herself under '2' 315's... i stopped fert;s 10days ago... now its just water, and a bit of molasses... comments??

 

[orfeas]

Hi, zack!
If the swelling is no more, then by the looks of them calyxes two weeks could very well be the sweet spot...yet, the leaves and trichs look somewhat "I don't wanna go that early" fashion and two weeks might be early a wee...but then harvesting them dames can get pretty intriguing as to the high one is after

Pheno I cannot tell for I have only come across Thai and Zamal ones.. there's logical assumption of course that leads to Malawi...

She doesn't look hungry at all!

orfeas

 

[willydread]

Zamaldelica f3, 3 leaf

 

[zachrockbadenof]

thanks orfeas.... yeah i'll let it go how ever long it needs.... i'm looking for something with a heavy hit.... i'm tired of all the 1/2 breeds we have been growing... i think that once u cross a sativa with an indica u have fuk'd up the head... no matter how little indica is in it...

 

[Breadwizard]

Willydread, looks like whorled plants are pretty common in this line, as I had one too! I wonder what parent that mutation is coming from