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St. Phatty

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You drill a hole in your hand and it's no big deal.

But you do take a Self-inflicted Wound Selfie. :tiphat:
 

Pinball Wizard

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Wednesday night in the country!...

Baptist church bus goes by...everybody laughing, drinking, dancing on the bus! :D
 

St. Phatty

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well, it WAS a pretty small bit. did it go all the way through?:comfort:

It was a 3/8 inch diameter drill with the screw tip.

No, didn't go all the way through. I let off the power, it turned a few more times and advanced a little bit, and stopped.

Felt like a baby Alien was crawling under my skin or something.


Does anybody here have an opinion on Flat Butt bullets vs. Boat-tail bullets ?

I read a review on the 100 grain Sierra 6 mm lead tipped copper jacket product. The guy really sounded like he knew what he was talking about. Said a long flat butt bullet with a contact area a 1/2 inch long, is more stable (wobbles less) coming out of the barrel than a boat tail bullet with a better Ballistic Coefficient. Which has a contact area that's about 1/4 inch long.

I like the Social Media at Midway USA. Sort of like Facebook for reloaders - without the privacy invasion.

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armedoldhippy

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uncountable numbers of critters went belly-up for decades before boat-tails were conceived of. i doubt that most people are good enough shots at long range to be able to take advantage of BTs "advantage". hell, i'm a decent shot with a rifle, but the practical aspects seem limited to "my bullet hits 3 inches higher at 400 yds" talks around the fire.
 

St. Phatty

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Snook

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It was a 3/8 inch diameter drill with the screw tip.

No, didn't go all the way through. I let off the power, it turned a few more times and advanced a little bit, and stopped.

Felt like a baby Alien was crawling under my skin or something.


Does anybody here have an opinion on Flat Butt bullets vs. Boat-tail bullets ?

I read a review on the 100 grain Sierra 6 mm lead tipped copper jacket product. The guy really sounded like he knew what he was talking about. Said a long flat butt bullet with a contact area a 1/2 inch long, is more stable (wobbles less) coming out of the barrel than a boat tail bullet with a better Ballistic Coefficient. Which has a contact area that's about 1/4 inch long.

I like the Social Media at Midway USA. Sort of like Facebook for reloaders - without the privacy invasion.

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85gr Sierra Hollow Point Boat tail w IMR 4895.. i used it for 'chucks', devastating out to 500+ yards... -1/4" groups at 100yds.. Remington 900 varmint special.. a devastating combo...
 

St. Phatty

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85gr Sierra Hollow Point Boat tail w IMR 4895.. i used it for 'chucks', devastating out to 500+ yards... -1/4" groups at 100yds.. Remington 900 varmint special.. a devastating combo...

That must be 6 mm.

The 6.5 mm 85 gn Sierra bullet is a flat-butt.
 

Snook

Still Learning
yes, 6mm.. I never found good performance with the 6mm-100gr bullets..
my 6.5 creedmore w 12>36power scope doesnt get much use here in florida.. use mostly 140gr .. will sell it soon..


but to digress, the boat-tailed bullets are supposed to maintain velocity better than flat-bottomed girls

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St. Phatty

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but to digress, the boat-tailed bullets are supposed to maintain velocity better than flat-bottomed girls

Generally I think if you are going to propel an object at 3x the speed of sound, so about 3300 feet per second, that's about what a 308 does to a 110 grain bullet ...

well, then you're doing rocket science.

But I guess one of the lessons from the forums at MidwayUSA is that, under a 1/4 mile, you don't have to worry so much about it.

The flat butt short bullets with the BC of .259 are deadly accurate when they're shot up to 300 yards.

So my obsession with finding the highest BC bullets at any given caliber & bullet weight is preparing for a future that I may never play with much. I go to a large range which is full with social events, competitions, & LEO Training ... but their furthest target is 300 yards.

What makes me feel good is tight clusters. As I learn the intricacies of cheek weld and scope optics, actually the LEO firearms technicians are sometimes very helpful.

Since you guys are obviously knowledgeable about firearms, one of the most burning questions I have right now is - why didn't the Barnes 308-1.5 go further ?

I think it is the most obvious wildcat of all, you take a 308 and shorten it a 1/2 inch so it will fit on an AR15 platform with a 30 cal bullet.

That robs you of 25% to 30% of your powder capacity. But I find that is a very useful compromise. Most of my 308 reloads for a 20 inch barrel are reduced weights anyway, the 308 can be a snarling beast.

It would be like the 30 WSSM except slimmed down, but much fatter than 7.62 x 39.

Basically like 6.5 Grendel, but with 1/4 cc more powder capacity.
So the order of 30 cals would be -
300 BLK, 7.62x39, Barnes 308-1.5, 308, 308 Magnums.

I would bet money that a Barnes 308-1.5 upper with a good barrel (22 or 24, 1" diameter or bigger) would be real popular, if it was sold with dies & brass.
 

Snook

Still Learning
My reloading days coming to an end and havent looked lately but used to be the HPBT bullets were wining all the target matches (most/allot:)) . Not 100% but pretty sure those 50cals are using BT pills for those 2 mile shots.. I know, I know, 300yds:biggrin:
 

St. Phatty

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My reloading days coming to an end and havent looked lately but used to be the HPBT bullets were wining all the target matches (most/allot:)) . Not 100% but pretty sure those 50cals are using BT pills for those 2 mile shots.. I know, I know, 300yds:biggrin:

My reloading days are slowed down while I wait in line for a root canal.

One of the re-loading things I enjoy is minimalist re-loading. E.g. using Trail-boss, the shotgun powder. It's formulated so that you can fill up any rifle brass and not exceed it's SAAMI pressure spec. It's the opposite of dense, so a 308 shell might take .8 grams of Trail-boss.

It makes for some great noise reduction, the sound is different. Also it is very compatible with shorter barrels, you don't lose much if any velocity by losing 4 inches off the barrel.

Normally you can't fill a 308 case with shotgun powder, very very bad idea. That's the magic of the low-density Trail boss, burns fast like any shotgun powder but can't over-pressure.

I think all re-loaders should watch the Youtube gallery of firearms mishaps. E.g. the guy that took a 50 BMG bolt in the neck. A combination of OUCH, double-OUCH, and a little dark humor.
 

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