WTF is w/feminized genetics,

[bicycle racer]

my fems have as much vigor as any standards i have which i have many of. as for herms i have had more unstable standard seeds herm. i have never had proper fems herm or do anything unusual or different from standard m/f seeds. i grow both fems and standrd and have no real preference or feel either are superior. fems are great if you clone and have no goals to make seeds but do not want to waste space with unknown males.

 

[kopite]

theres one man in here that knows more on reversal than most... and most are probably not even reading his posts as he isn't a mentor etc ... how sad..

Kopite

 

[DocLeaf]

We still waiting to see any real Cheese anyone femed! lol (we asked for images if you remember)..lol All talk no action.

Plenty ppl on this forum tried it,, it didnt happen,, or they had a suspect clone.

Please loose the attitude anyhow Kopite!

Peace n flowers

 

[stagger lee]

What is a disgrace is the lack of understanding, and those in our community who continue to push voodoo and bad juju in lieu of facts and reality.

Sort of like politics in a way...many have no real fucking clues as to the issues and what they are all about, but by god they know what side they have chosen to be on! And these folks will argue the talking points of their side till the cows come home, even when they understand fuck all about the issue.

Hoosierdaddy you have no class bro! Any1/every1 that doesnt agree w/your OPINION, is just a lowdown dirty whore..its obvious you wont ever admit your wrong or even that youve learned something (that you didnt already know), You'd rather start calling every1 stupid MF's.

comes down to feminized pro's and cons

Are standard seeds(pulling males) so fucked up that growers would rather pay out the ass,hope the feminized were created right, ALWAYS be on the lookout for hermies, just to what? Not
have to worry about pulling males in time??? experienced growers know enough to not fall for the "male paranoia"excuse that feminized genetics live off of.

And your continuing to act as though there are teams to this discussion like its a game. Theres several views and topics be debated bro, you keep saying Im throwing voodoo or juju wtf I did back up my BS with a few books and you dont even care enough to mabey read 1 of them. With you its those books are wrong period. Thats how a know it all acts. You also accuse me of just reading garbage that was picked up on some website. I bet any amount what your spewing out was probably learned from this website.your always online and have no grow books. The Books are wrong your right!lol! you gotta come w/more than that. Some1(Greg G) that writes a second book on breeding alone had to do alot of research regardless, and you you come w/the same exact info over and over 2 paragraphs tops. Not buying it! Your neg rep is a joke.I dont live in this world alone and could careless.

 

[hoosierdaddy]

See, you belligerent types keep up the charade even when facts are brought to the table for the discussion. Several people make several attempts to straighten out the misconceptions that you are trying to push around, and bring details of exactly what and why. You bring nothing but your continued insistence that feminized seeds have a higher propensity to show the inter-sex trait than regular seeds. This is simply not the case, and you have been given many explanations as to why you are doing nothing but continuing the internet myth.

You start throwing around your negative rep to boot. BTW...I have over 40 positive reps and comments on my roster from this thread, and only one person..ONE...giving me negative response on this. Now, I give a rats toss about rep, but it should tell you something.
Basically you (among others) are all fucked up on this issue. Simple as that.
And you get your vag all dried out when you can't seem to get anywhere with your bullshit. Dry your eyes, crybaby and study up. Be one of the learned, instead of an internet parrot. It's obvious you have at least the gumption to engage in a debate....show us you have the nuts to bring some good ammo. Something of substance, not just your spouting off pages of books. BTW, I have been waiting for you to post up those quotes. We really need to see who else is passing around bullshit to the masses.

 

[stagger lee]

Your a fuckn joke! I dont give 2 shits about Rep and dont use it!Youve asked for proof and Ive given you several books and page#'s to back up statements.But your a hard headed know it all that will never admit being wrong.

heres something from Dutch Passion after releasing fem seeds:
"Apparently environmental influences affect the sex of the female seeds as well, because feminized seeds also produce males and herms weve changed our ads from 100% female seeds to 100% feminized seeds."
also "from our findings it appears that the growth of a male or female plant from seed, except for the predisposition in the gender chromosomes,also depends on the environmental factors. From the moment a seedling has 3 sets of leaves(not incl cotys) up until initial calyx development(preflowers) appears the grow environment can influence the final sexual outcome."

 

[Tom Hill]

I don't know what it is that you guys don't get? I mean, you have been thoroughly spanked and set straight over and over, yet cling to this like faith warmed over.

If the dude (yeah, I know where some of this regurgitated crap stems from) knew what the hell he was talking about then you'd have something to post, to quote, but he doesn't. So you are left with posting your misinterpretations and misconceptions.

Stagger, Wtf does environmental factors effecting the phenotypic expression (not genetic make-up) in regards to sexuality of all cannabis plants, have to do specifically with female selection programs? In other words, why are you posting Dutch Passion as a reference, why are you referencing Clarke? These references do nothing to support your angle, nothing at all.

Thanks Hoosier, Hahhh (very good to see you), and the usual suspects for your selfless attempts at trying to keep it straight.

 

[Cinderella99]

A treatment to cause a hormone trigger is a temporary thing which does not change the DNA of a plant at all. Once the treatment has dissipated, there is nothing left to trigger the hormone response, and if the plant is still living and healthy it will eventually see no more of the chemicals responsible for the previous triggering, and will revert to it's natural mode of operation.
I think we will find that in the case of CS, it is a physical action involving the silver that triggers the stamen response, as opposed to chemical. (basically a physical response delivered by a chemical vehicle)

This is entirely the point for me. Until somebody shows me scientific evidence that hermie genetic disposition is effected by a generationally isolated "trigger", I will continue to believe that any more demonstrably herm tendency --genes weaker in resistance to herm trait becoming manifest-- in S1 progeny is a result of methods applied in deriving S1 and the subsequent statistical probability of them arriving at your doorstep with more herm offspring tendencies than is standard for the strain.

You guys need to check out my sig line, man lol


"Thy words are like a cloud of winged snakes;
And yet I pity those they torture not."

 

[Texicannibus]

simon from serious basically said the same in a recent skunk article cindy99 and he should be someone most of us respect Id think

 

[indifferent]

I don't know what it is that you guys don't get? I mean, you have been thoroughly spanked and set straight over and over, yet cling to this like faith warmed over.

If the dude (yeah, I know where some of this regurgitated crap stems from) knew what the hell he was talking about then you'd have something to post, to quote, but he doesn't. So you are left with posting your misinterpretations and misconceptions.

Stagger, Wtf does environmental factors effecting the phenotypic expression in regards to sexuality (not genetic make-up) of all cannabis plants, have to do specifically with female selection programs? In other words, why are you posting Dutch Passion as a reference, why are you referencing Clarke? These references do nothing to support your angle, nothing at all.

Thanks Hoosier, Hahhh (very good to see you), and the usual suspects for your selfless attempts at trying to keep it straight.

Tom has spoken, this should be a clear signal to hempy and the others to STFU as Tom is one of the most honest and informed people on the planet on the subject of cannabis breeding, period.

DP are a joke, that quote about environmentals affecting sexual outcome is merely them giving themselves a getout clause when people discover their 'feminised' seeds produce as many hermies as females.

 

[hoosierdaddy]

Additionally the present
investigation has clearly demonstrated that STS also
triggers male sex expression in female plants of Can- "
nabis sativa probably by blocking the action of ethylene.
Chemical induction of male flowers is thus a
means of producing guaranteed female plants or of
maintaining gynoecious lines through the production of
seeds following selfing in female plants. If properly
exploited, this technique should be highly rewarding in
crop improvement programmes.(sic)

Induction of Fertile Male Flowers in Genetically Female Cannabis sativa
Plants by Silver Nitrate and Silver Thiosulphate Anionic Complex
H.Y. Mohan Ram and R. Sett
Department of Botany, University of Delhi, Delhi (India)
Theor. Appl. Genet. 62, 369-375 (1982)

 

[bird]

herms make more herms even if treated with chems. ugh.

 

[Cinderella99]

herms make more herms even if treated with chems. ugh.

I agree, but you're missing the point:

The point/question, and try to pay attention, is "Is there more of a tendency than has been manifested in a given strain for hermie prone offspring from that strain's S1 mother that has been properly S1'd when compared to that same strain's P1 (or straight sex conceived) offspring?". If so provide the scientific evidence and Thank You.

And I'm not gonna argue with you lol

 

[ROOTWISE]

Tom, I truly admire your patience.....you're a kinder man than
me!!!!!!!

 

[Balance]

Well, since everyone in this thread is doing nothing but throwing around their weighted opinion, I want to add mine.
Femmed seeds suck balls.

 

[Tom Hill]

How do you guys feel about doubled haploid lines? Is the sky falling?

 

[Japanfreakier]

A lot of people will blame their stressed induced hermies on bad genetics or female seeds, kind of like kids blaming their teachers for their shortcomings.

 

[Tom Hill]

As my friend Charlie G, Hoosier, Hahhh, and many others have alluded to many times over and over, of course the method is being abused and exploited by total hacks - irrelevant. The majority of opposition in this thread think for example that female seeds is the supposed entirety of the techniques worth and this is sad big sad.

 

[Cinderella99]

How do you guys feel about doubled haploid lines? Is the sky falling?

Well, you know, I hate to quote the wiki, but I'm not a scientist so I will anyways...

The ability to produce homozygous lines after a single round recombination saves a lot of time for the plant breeders. Studies conclude that random DH’s are comparable to the selected lines in pedigree inbreeding.[16] The other advantages include development of large number of homozygous lines, efficient genetic analysis and development of markers for useful traits in much less time. More specific benefits include the possibility of seed propagation as an alternative to vegetative multiplication in ornamentals, and in species such as trees in which long life cycles and inbreeding depression preclude traditional breeding methods, doubled haploidy provides new alternatives.

Thanks for your honesty, Tom.

I'll bet that there are a good number of other breeders out there already who use S1's as an important step in their breeding programs while companies like Monsanto probably depend on DH chromosome doubling.

 

[kopite]

We still waiting to see any real Cheese anyone femed! lol (we asked for images if you remember)..lol All talk no action.

Plenty ppl on this forum tried it,, it didnt happen,, or they had a suspect clone.

Please loose the attitude anyhow Kopite!

Peace n flowers

which bit of i've seen it done don't you get?, you don't take bobthegrowers word either... we have all this scientific evidence on gynoecious lines etc yet all the naysayers call witchcraft... and I'll never loose any attitude.. it makes me, me.

Your a fuckn joke! I dont give 2 shits about Rep and dont use it!Youve asked for proof and Ive given you several books and page#'s to back up statements.But your a hard headed know it all that will never admit being wrong.

heres something from Dutch Passion after releasing fem seeds:
"Apparently environmental influences affect the sex of the female seeds as well, because feminized seeds also produce males and herms weve changed our ads from 100% female seeds to 100% feminized seeds."
also "from our findings it appears that the growth of a male or female plant from seed, except for the predisposition in the gender chromosomes,also depends on the environmental factors. From the moment a seedling has 3 sets of leaves(not incl cotys) up until initial calyx development(preflowers) appears the grow environment can influence the final sexual outcome."

Can I ask stagger Lee why the need for 2 threads ?

http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=164900

if DP are so clever why use the term feminized ?? and do you think the above statement by them is just applicable to a gynoecious line? I would of thought feminization would mean a reversed male ? as described by Mohan Ram...

anyway I'm off to do a bit of witchcraft.... and lets hope no one eats cucumber...

Kopite