Why do the most popular varieties come from American breeders?

[bigtacofarmer]

I'm pretty sure WEED will never be Round Up ready due to the recent lawsuit that was won against Monsanto and Round Up.
The old guy won a $289MILLION lawsuit as an individual.
Let the class actions begin and the fall of Monsanto starts to happen.
WOOO HOOO!!!

I hope you are right. I would love to see the whole Bayer/monsanto thing to just go away. Something tells me they will not go down without a fight.

I will see if I can find it to make details better. But a few years ago (mother earth news I think) I read that a group of farmers (beets I believe) were suing one of the smaller monsanto associated companies. They had been planting gmo seeds in places that were cross pollonating non gmo plants and then going after them because they had gmo genes, that the worked hard to avoid. I do not know how it ended but when I read about it, it seemed the farmers were losing their ass.

 

[MJPassion]

and alot of usa seedmaker are based in Europe right now,
so wherever flag people...

Not any more!
Have you seen the number of USA based seed banks that have popped up since Colorado made cannabis quasi-legal?
I'd phathom a guess that the numbers are in or pushing hundreds across the States that have legalized (in name only).


Some still use European websites but are wholly based in the US of A.

 

[Dr.Young]

Its because of the Ashkenazi genotype in the US.

 

[MJPassion]

I think every person has there own personal standard. It is a mix of what is the best they have ever smoked and a combo of how many different growers and strains they have sampled and how inflated their ego is. Plus a bit of preference. Every clone grows different for each grower. Everybody pheno hunts different and pops a different seed.

Around here I have seen alot of people that were used to really crappy weed get a med card and assume their first round with a bag seed is the best strain on earth. And it probably is in their little world. Some people are world travelers and have been growing for 50 years. And know they might not have the best.

I keep hearing people say there is no good weed in colorado. I do not see how they managed to sample some of every growers product?

I wish I still had a cut of my first seed I grew & finished. Bagseed and it's still in my top 10 favorite plants ever grown. Even after nearly 20 years! Seed came in some Mexican green fluff out of Phoenix AZ and damn was she ever good.

 

[MJPassion]

yeah but all of that came from afghanistan soooo

Afghanistan wasn't marketing it. Westerners were there soliciting the locals for hash.

 

[MJPassion]

I hope you are right. I would love to see the whole Bayer/monsanto thing to just go away. Something tells me they will not go down without a fight.

I will see if I can find it to make details better. But a few years ago (mother earth news I think) I read that a group of farmers (beets I believe) were suing one of the smaller monsanto associated companies. They had been planting gmo seeds in places that were cross pollonating non gmo plants and then going after them because they had gmo genes, that the worked hard to avoid. I do not know how it ended but when I read about it, it seemed the farmers were losing their ass.

Pollen laws are fucking ridiculous and I believe that Monsanto had a huge influence in the making. Pollen is treated just like livestock in most States in the US. If you don't want livestock on your land and your neighbor has cows... You have to fence them out!
Monsanto has ruined many farmers lives & lively-hoods because of these backwards assed laws.

 

[HuffnPufferfish]

You make it sounds as if you've never grown American genetics!

Who knows, ive never asked for a state id!

Im not sure why location is that important to you, nobody knows where what come from before it got to where ti is now

cannabis has been spreading "around the globe" for thousands of years and now suddenly whatever ended up in country x is better than country y?

cannabis? cannabis industry? cannabis seed industry??

 

[HuffnPufferfish]

Afghanistan wasn't marketing it. Westerners were there soliciting the locals for hash.

now youre just making up definitions in order to make the usa the bakermat of cannabis

 

[Storm Shadow]

SoCal is the Melting Pot of the World...My Iranian Genetics love it out here

I was very influenced by Surfing/BMX Culture ..From San Clemente to Huntington Beach

 

[mr.brunch]

I'm pretty sure US growers in the 70s were using those huge 8ft long T40? Fluorescent bulbs in the beginning. HID was a game changer for ID growing.

True.
I would think a lot of strains were bred outdoor though, including skunk which is something that wouldn’t have happened in the uk due to our climate..... if I planted a field of Colombian and Mexican over here it would probably be mould before harvest.

Whatever the reasons, I say keep up the good work and I’ll continue to grow it

 

[udontknowme]

poor choice of examples,

cheese is from california Skunk and Blueberry came from the pacific north west.

Not a poor choice Cheese came from a pheno of Skunk 1 so its from the UK even if its genetics are orginally from the US or is it still the same strain!, do you want to go back further then the genes certainly never originated in the US if you want to play that game.
Blues and Psychosis are also from Skunk 1 so all British and Blues has nothing to do with Blueberry

 

[udontknowme]

Those are just old over rated skunk pheno’s. I know they seem to be poplar with some but I would quite happily never smoke any of those for the rest of my days.

But the point was the guy said european strains lack in terps which these 3 strains certainly don,t i never said i liked to smoke them.

 

[kushedy]

But the point was the guy said european strains lack in terps which these 3 strains certainly don,t i never said i liked to smoke them.

Fair enough fella. My taste buds don't really seem to pick up much from any strains. Ex heavy smoker. Fortunately I've always smoked cannabis for the high, so yeah I'll take your word for it on the terps front.

 

[MJPassion]

Who knows, ive never asked for a state id!

Im not sure why location is that important to you, nobody knows where what come from before it got to where ti is now

cannabis has been spreading "around the globe" for thousands of years and now suddenly whatever ended up in country x is better than country y?

cannabis? cannabis industry? cannabis seed industry??

Location is Important because THAT IS THE THREAD TITLE!


Everything you've posted is OFF TOPIC!


This is a discussion about AMERICAN genetics!


What do you NOT comprehend?

 

[mr.brunch]

I just finished some strawberries and cream x chemhaze from csg who are British- that stuff got enough terps for half the f’kin street....

 

[MJPassion]

Not a poor choice Cheese came from a pheno of Skunk 1 so its from the UK even if its genetics are orginally from the US or is it still the same strain!, do you want to go back further then the genes certainly never originated in the US if you want to play that game.
Blues and Psychosis are also from Skunk 1 so all British and Blues has nothing to do with Blueberry

Your funny!


Those genes DID in fact originate in the US.


They would never have mixed naturally!

 

[Montuno]

Currently or historically?


If we're talking about the past, anybody that gives Sam any hell deserves to be dry for the next few years.
Anybody who disagrees with [b[Nevil/b] should suffer the same!


If it weren't for these two guys, modern day varieties would be much much different, I presume.


Currently...
I'd say Bodhi is at the top of the list with a few others like Karma, Relentless, Greenpoint, Top Dawg, TGA, Chimera, Cannacopia, Joey Weed... Really there's too many good American breeders to list.

As well, I would include a couple Spanish breeders, ACE & CBG.
I don't see a whole lot coming out of europe but there are some good folks there as well, but this thread is about American breeders.

Hi; isent Nevil Australian?

 

[kushedy]

If the Bank of England is a Central Bank...
They ARE in charge.
All it takes is a little bit of research to figure it out.


ALL nations with Central banks are controlled by the same elite families. The facts cannot be disputed as they're out in the wide open in this day and age.
Research the Aldobrandini family.

From my understanding the Bank of England is under government control.Parliament sets the responsibilities of the BOE. Government appoints all BOE policy makers. You could by all means argue they are all part & parcel of the same corrupt system.



I'll book mark the Aldobrandini FAMILY research for now. I have a list of that sort of thing that I work through when I have the time & patience. That sort of read is normally a long winded depressing can of worms so it can wait. The Kalergi Plan is next on the list!

 

[Montuno]

Back to the topic. WHY... are AMERICAN breeders producing the most popular varieties?


It's simple. America is where the industry originated!
The ONLY reason Europe got involved was because they had a better climate for plant breeders to perform their work in. If Sam & friends had decided to move somewhere else, I'm pretty positive that that location would have become the cannabis Mecca instead of Amsterdam.

Hi; Im not agree: Holland have a so much worse weather than California. The right reasons was the past Ducht laws about cannabis. Now that California n other places have better cannabis laws than in their past, Holland is loosin it leadership in the cannabis scene.
Salud.

 

[udontknowme]

Your funny!


Those genes DID in fact originate in the US.


They would never have mixed naturally!

The genes originated outside the US, but the strains are US creations, just as the Phenos that emerged of Skunk 1 in the UK are British!


Am funny coming from the guy that thinks Chimera is one of the best American breedershe Canadian , clueless numpty