As we in the UK say horses for courses. Everyone has a personal preference & they are fully entitled to it.
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Why do the most popular varieties come from American breeders?
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As we in the UK say horses for courses. Everyone has a personal preference & they are fully entitled to it.
From what I have seen at least (pls correct if wrong) there seems to be a lot of Indica dominant strains being brought to market. I assume this is something to do with medicinal value for those looking to replace prescription opioids.
Nothing wrong with a good Indica dom at all but like you I prefer a Sativa dom most of the time & cap the evening off with a blast or two of Indica to set me straight for bed time.
I think a lot of us including myself have gone off on tangent a little about this. The original post was “why do the most popular varieties come from American breeders”
So why are they popular? Well if you simplify it the answer has to be advertising. For something to become popular it has to be:
A: be fairly reasonable as a product
B: have people talking about the product
Something doesn’t become popular without people talking about it. Be that through word of mouth travelling from friend to friend, town to town or through mass marketing or both.
America is a huge country so it stands to reason that what ever becomes popular in the country spills over into other countries. We see that with music, food, films & more so these days with cannabis.
Would we see the same sort of popularity of these varieties if America had not started legalizing cannabis? Some most definitely as there were always American strain names being dropped by rappers etc, through word of mouth on the great vine & due to their sheer size as a population but probably not to the extent we see these days. America is just the spear tip of legalization hence their produce getting all the lime light. Give it another 10-20 years, presuming legalization spreads you will probably have famous strain synonymous with most countries around the world & a more even distribution of the lime light. Not taking anything away from what they are doing State side at the moment breeding wise but they do at this point have the monopoly.
So why are they popular? Well if you simplify it the answer has to be advertising. For something to become popular it has to be:
A: be fairly reasonable as a product
B: have people talking about the product
Something doesn’t become popular without people talking about it. Be that through word of mouth travelling from friend to friend, town to town or through mass marketing or both.
America is a huge country so it stands to reason that what ever becomes popular in the country spills over into other countries. We see that with music, food, films & more so these days with cannabis.
Would we see the same sort of popularity of these varieties if America had not started legalizing cannabis? Some most definitely as there were always American strain names being dropped by rappers etc, through word of mouth on the great vine & due to their sheer size as a population but probably not to the extent we see these days. America is just the spear tip of legalization hence their produce getting all the lime light. Give it another 10-20 years, presuming legalization spreads you will probably have famous strain synonymous with most countries around the world & a more even distribution of the lime light. Not taking anything away from what they are doing State side at the moment breeding wise but they do at this point have the monopoly.
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legalizing production of a product does not automatically lead to great innovation.
some groups(countries) are better at making certain things than others due to many factors
legalizing production of a product does not automatically lead to great innovation.
some groups(countries) are better at making certain things than others due to many factors
Well yes technically legalization does not guarantee success but you’ve got to admit that it goes a long way?
One of the biggest continents in the world becomes one of the very few legal countries to grow in, breed in, sell in & advertise in, all be it by name dropping in the media.
With legalization comes investment, with investment comes innovation, opportunity & improvement. Essentially speeding up of the development of a product.
The term green gold rush came from America for a reason, all the dollars invested in growing & breeding a product to put on the market to make profit for shareholders.
Yes, not every breeder is funded by some corporate machine out to bastardize cannabis for money but let’s be real here it is now a business, a multi-billion-dollar business.
There are no doubt breeders in America who have worked on cannabis throughout their lives out of sheer love for the plant but a lot of those breeders now have a choice of getting on board with the business model & earning something out of all those years hard work or falling by the wayside as others choose to capitalize where they decided not to.
There are obviously still those out there who breed out of love for the plant & don’t get involved in the money-making green gold rush machine but you can’t deny it doesn’t exist, isn’t substantial & doesn’t play a part in the popularity of American strains.
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No-one is doubting the skill of American breeders but the post is about why are the strains from America so popular these days.
Not why are they or aren’t they great breeders. Why are the strains from that particular neck of the woods so popular?
As previously pointed out in a post earlier, for anything to become popular on an international level it has to be at least a reasonable product & be advertised be that through word of mouth or by mass marketing. For international popularity I can’t see how advertising or marketing of some kind could not be involved.
Every time a rapper mentions a strain, that is advertising. Whether or not they did it for free or were paid a chunk to mention it, it is still advertising. Any name dropping is advertising.
Not why are they or aren’t they great breeders. Why are the strains from that particular neck of the woods so popular?
As previously pointed out in a post earlier, for anything to become popular on an international level it has to be at least a reasonable product & be advertised be that through word of mouth or by mass marketing. For international popularity I can’t see how advertising or marketing of some kind could not be involved.
Every time a rapper mentions a strain, that is advertising. Whether or not they did it for free or were paid a chunk to mention it, it is still advertising. Any name dropping is advertising.
Ameirca is being monsanto'd... they have already been told to clean up their weed because most of it dont meet the guidlines... etc etc this is why breeders are jumping ship to venuzuela and where other countries have fully legalised...
Pretty sure corona beer has just dumped 4bill into the industry so gives you an idea of where its going over their...
Do agree about the quality coming from america but alot of their genetics are based on or around the chemd ecsd chem91 cuts and you do see the odd traits of the old skool sk#1 exodus side in their so really its nothing new they just mixing old skool genetics for certain terps and traits while banging out fem seeds to the masses...
The uk is yet to adopt a model but we have a reputation for the skunks... i.e exodus .. bluez/liverz..psycosis.. same as amsterdam with their haze cuts... nevilles haze and his breeding cuts ... core cut... ssh...etc so who knows where its all gonna end up..... all this over 1 species of plant.... un-real
Pretty sure corona beer has just dumped 4bill into the industry so gives you an idea of where its going over their...
Do agree about the quality coming from america but alot of their genetics are based on or around the chemd ecsd chem91 cuts and you do see the odd traits of the old skool sk#1 exodus side in their so really its nothing new they just mixing old skool genetics for certain terps and traits while banging out fem seeds to the masses...
The uk is yet to adopt a model but we have a reputation for the skunks... i.e exodus .. bluez/liverz..psycosis.. same as amsterdam with their haze cuts... nevilles haze and his breeding cuts ... core cut... ssh...etc so who knows where its all gonna end up..... all this over 1 species of plant.... un-real
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Bit of a loaded one really.. For starters we can only see what is popular in this little corner of the Native English speaking world, on mostly English speaking forums and websites, which is only about 5-10% of the worlds population, a teeny %.. It appears as though quantitatively a majority of people are wanting to grow "US" strains but its not that simple. Those are probably mostly people just like you accidentally or intentionally hyping up what they want, or like the look of, and making it seem like the whole world is clambering to get all these random polyhybrids, and some solid selection and line breeding dont get me wrong.
If we're measuring popularity in numbers of people on this planet growing genetics crossed in America then it would be low still imo..
All those plants being crossed over there came from somewhere abroad and are very likely still being smoked where they came from, probably in charas or hashish form in many cases.
I'm happy though, the stuff being produced there is super useful for indoor spaces with high returns and top quality so for me, an English speaking grower hiding his hobby, y'all got it goin own!
Keep up the great work!!
There are probably about 5-10 million cannabis growers in the states alone so that's a lot of hype right there,, guessing based on an estimate of 300000 in the UK in a recent report.
If we're measuring popularity in numbers of people on this planet growing genetics crossed in America then it would be low still imo..
All those plants being crossed over there came from somewhere abroad and are very likely still being smoked where they came from, probably in charas or hashish form in many cases.
I'm happy though, the stuff being produced there is super useful for indoor spaces with high returns and top quality so for me, an English speaking grower hiding his hobby, y'all got it goin own!
Keep up the great work!!
There are probably about 5-10 million cannabis growers in the states alone so that's a lot of hype right there,, guessing based on an estimate of 300000 in the UK in a recent report.
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I did hear about a case recently where Monsanto were prosecuted over their chemicals causing the death of a farmer somewhere. That company is shady as hell.
The terminator virus thing they came up with was crazy. The American Government should have stepped in on them really.
Interesting to hear about Venezuela legalizing. I had not heard anything at all about that. I will have to have a read on it. I know that a few UK breeders have moved to Spain is recent years due to it being slightly more tolerated there than it is in the UK.
It’s funny that you mention the chem family as that is really America’s original darling strain so to speak & if the stories are to be believed no-one really knows what it is.
I wouldn’t be surprised if all the hooky stories about it were concocted just to keep people intrigued whilst preventing others from copying the strain.
As you say the nearest match we have in Europe would be the skunk & haze pheno’s which are all descendants of work carried out by old school American breeders. You can’t argue with America’s contribution on the whole in general that’s for certain.
Lost in a SOG
GrassSnakeGenetics
Im heavily indebted to so many of my cousins across the water. Thanks guys 
And I just mean that most peoples opinions are based on ego and experience. I cannot recognize anything different between a legal and illegal product except to say that before legal weed most growers were actually good people. Most of todays legal product is from business men with money being the main motivation.
I which case. As far as this thread is concerned. US strains are more popular because they have a strong history of people growing a plant they love to smoke regardless of ingnorant laws that ruin lives. And would do it for free if there was no profit involved.
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yeah but all of that came from afghanistan soooo
pretty sure cannabis is older than "America"
Cannabis is older than America but the industry is not!
The cannabis seed business was started in California by Sam Skunkman selling seeds by placing adds in American produced magazines!
The scene moved to Europe when Sam Skunkman got busted and he left the States &/or when he sold seed to Nevil Shoenmaker.
We have the best weed. Period.
Surfers bro...
I'm pretty sure the US Military soldiers didn't get involved until cannabis was already popular in the US. Indirect Military involvement is a rather recent thing. I'm pretty sure that it started within the last 20 years.
I'm pretty sure WEED will never be Round Up ready due to the recent lawsuit that was won against Monsanto and Round Up.
The old guy won a $289MILLION lawsuit as an individual.
Let the class actions begin and the fall of Monsanto starts to happen.
WOOO HOOO!!!
and american genetics herm and dont yield for shit, i can smoke 3 complete american marijuanas in 1 joint
its just different culture, in europe, if you smoke you smoke, in america if you can smoke you smoke
if i could only have 1 joint a week, yes ill look for the weirdest tastiest thing i can find
if i smoke 5 grams a day i want to notice if im actually getting high at the end of the day
for growing the yield has to be worth the costs since those are shitload higher outside the us they want better yields
and people in europe just wont pay american prices, its too accepted, and profit pull the business
You make it sounds as if you've never grown American genetics!
Probably because... in the end... The Crown still rules the earth!
Just my opinion.
I'm pretty sure US growers in the 70s were using those huge 8ft long T40? Fluorescent bulbs in the beginning. HID was a game changer for ID growing.We in Europe ( if the uk still is in Europe, I forget... ) only really had the ability to grow proper weed from the late 70s onwards when they invented hid light, and it took a good few years for anyone to catch up.
USA has and has always had a big advantage in being able to grow most strains outdoor.
Now ship them good clones over here
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