Who Dat's 1k Round 2 - Fall/Winter 2011

[who dat is]

Thanks guys

 

[silver hawaiian]

 

[silver hawaiian]

wdi

Looking marvy dude. A few of those gals look like they could be a little more lush/greeny. When i get that sort of faded green-to-yellow look (and it's not just a ripening thing), I usually hit 'em with a good 1/2" or so of an EWC top dress.. Just my

 

[lil~greensprout]

Look'n real nice there Who Dat,
With a canopy "that thick" your going to get a few yellow
leaves near the bottom, I just clip`em off when they get
like that, it'll help with the air flow through that "Jungle"
as well, I see big buds in your future for sure, peace

Oh and keep the killer canopy shots coming...

 

[silver hawaiian]

Dammit ~sprout

Now you're making me think my canopy isn't full enough since i don't have any underskirt yellowing.

 

[lil~greensprout]

Dammit ~sprout

Now you're making me think my canopy isn't full enough since i don't have any underskirt yellowing.

That's not a bad thing, sometimes too thick can lead to other
unwanted issues, like the dreaded PM, kinda of a balancing act !


sorry about the minor thread jack there Who DAT,
and kudos on bust'n out the Ron Burgundy shot, Classic !

 

[who dat is]

Thanks, I keep hitting them with a little more N to try and take care of that but they are still dropping leaves. I think that's just what they want to do. The SC is coping with the same feeding schedule as the rest but I can tell it's not liking it too much. The other girls are dropping fans like it's going out of style.

 

[Superhoops]

Looking good man. Keep up the good work.

 

[who dat is]

thanks hoops for stopping in. I was working out of town again this week and they are looking really good since I saw them last. Resin production has really started up now. The girls are developing and changing their smells too. The Bubblegum used to smell good but now it smells like rotting fruit. Definitely getting interesting. The yellow leaves have progressed too. The yellowing is creeping up the plant, I keep hitting them with N, about a teaspoon every waterring of maxicrop fish mix. I'm hesitant to slam them with some when ol' strawberry cough is showing signs that she's had enough. I know she's a light feeder but I can't get over the differences in nutrient needs between the different girls.

 

[Walt Jabsco]

necrosis and bronzing of older fan leaves. (cut and paste that into your browser)
this is usually due to iron or maganese toxicity as a result of low ph.
if ph is in check then likely salts are built up in the medium.
perhaps also a bit of windburn due to extreme low humidity.

 

[NFD]

hope you are close to getting out of work for the week who dat! and looking forward to the updated pics.

 

[who dat is]

Update time again. They are all doing fine and are filling out. The lower fan leaves keep falling off and I just keep cutting and pulling them off. The Banana Kush and Purple Voodoo are starting to change colors. So far the BK and SC are filling out the most. Headband continues to just look like a weird ass all the time. Bubblegum seemed to have hit a speed bump or maybe I'm expecting too much from the girls. In any case here's the pic and if you got questions or input then shoot. Today is day 35 of flowering.

Bubblegum side

Bubblegum top

Banana Kush Top

Banana Kush side

SC top

SC side

HB top

HB side

PV top

PV side

HJ top

HJ side

The whole gang

Thanks for stopping in

 

[half baked]

morning who dat, just thougt id pop by and check your ladies out, very nice man, loving the training tech, i just adopted this the same method on near half my room, imo bro your canopy isnt too thick, its just right maybe up the N next time round, i never ph or ec anything and i never get that bro, what nutes are you running?

hb

 

[prince kali]

well, not so bad.
could look healthier though. no deep green and they look a little bit worn out.

if i understood that your water ph is 7, is that before adding nutrients? or after?

anyway, seems you are immune to my input, so keep stuffing them and believe that they are lacking of N ..

 

[who dat is]

Thanks kali and mancsterdam for the input. I think where I mess up is I don't give them enough N to transition from veg to flower. I'm well past that period now and they are just getting rid of the lower fan leaves that they don't need. From now on it's just 1 tsp of fish mix/feeding though. Water before nutrients is 7. I don't want to fool with testing it after though, I leave that up to the dolomite lime in the FFOF. All I have is the little pH test strips anyways, how are you supposed to tell pH when the runoff is brown and stains the paper anyways.

 

[prince kali]

soooo. finally we reach the point of truth.
7 before nutrients..

do you have an idea what 14 tsp (per gallon!) of organic material do to the ph of your nutrient solution???
listen up, dolomite lime is a great ph buffer, but after buffering your nutrient overload for several weeks, buffering is getting less and less efficient..

trust me, your lower fan leaves are not dying off from lack of N, its just the ph out of range, and N uptake is not working properly.
that explains also why upper growth is not deeply nice green.
i wouldnt wonder if inside the rootball its a ph of maybe 5.

i dont know FFoF myself, but from what i understand its properly fertilised out of the bag??

so i told you that since some days, check your runoff ph and dont wonder if its far too low.
as we know, its almost impossible to severly damage plants with biobizz, but its still far away from ideal.

thats just my opinion..



edit: PV Top shows that some leaves start to purple, it means either really cold nights or (what i think) the same symptom for "another, yet the same reason": P lockout! (due to too low PH)
check the nutrient uptake charts..

editII:
and red stems also on upper fan leaves.. -> another PH indication, or you start now to believe its lack of FE hehe..sorry

 

[silver hawaiian]

prince

Really interesting point. The natural pH'ing magic of the dirt mix can't last forever, I s'pose..

I also run organic dirt with organic teas, .. Lately I've been pH'ing the water when I go with a water-only watering, .. Usually to around 6.1-6.3. .. But when I bubble teas, I don't muck with the pH. Last I tested one of my teas, it was around 7.0. I didn't figure that was too far outta whack, considering that I hit 'em with pH'd water the other days.. But maybe I'm wrong?

 

[prince kali]

its not without reason that experienced people here say that in a good soil mix phing is NOT necessary (if not harmful imo)..

 

[silver hawaiian]

I'm confused. My understanding was that your first post was about the dangers of allowing the soil itself (via the lime, whatever mechanism). That is, relying on the soil to correct pH only lasts for so long, at which point "buffering becomes less and less efficient."

So if we're not to pH the water going *in* to the soil, while we acknowledge that we're mucking up the pH of the soil with the mixes we're feeding, .. ?

Halp

:head asplode:

 

[prince kali]

imo we shouldnt "use up" our soils buffering abilities by watering very high/low phed solutions, as it will "drain" the buffering agents.

but if, like in the op's case your water is ph7 and you are adding a LOT of stuff into it its clear that you are feeding low ph..
resulting in the soil to become acidic. -> as a reaction you see "deficiencies" that are in fact lockouts (because of too low ph) and as a reaction you feed more to compensate, what makes the situation worse and worse..

thats what happens to many new growers, because they are indoctrinated by the industry that sells all the shiny little expensive bottles.

so, in other words if you keep your solution at around ph 6-7 you never have to worry!