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Wearing Masks
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i mean dont count your chickens too soon lol we can still get there.
i love that 2 million number by the way. cause trump used it as proof he was doing good lmfao - he would say something along the lines of "oh they were predicting 2 million dead, i kept that number low folks, much lower than they predicted". love him or hate him you gotta admit he has some set of balls to get up there and say this shit.
From Oct. 23, 2020,
"The study, published in the journal Nature Medicine on Friday, was performed by researchers at the University of Washington's Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation, which produces a well-known coronavirus model.
It found that the current death toll of 224,000 could swell to more than 511,000 by Feb. 28, a little more than four months away. However, universal mask use would reduce that number by almost 130,000. Fewer than half of U.S. residents in September reported "always" wearing a mask in public, according to the study.
"Under all scenarios evaluated here, the United States is likely to face a continued public health challenge from the COVID-19 pandemic through 28 February 2021 and beyond, with populous states in particular potentially facing high levels of illness, deaths and ICU demands as a result of the disease," the study said."
Ur setting up and knocking down strawmen left and right.
Iam not a Trump humper (whatever that means) nor do I deny science (whatever that means)...
I do however take notice when a large group of highly credentialed successful academics publish a paper stating that lockdowns and mask mandates (based on data) do more harm than good...
I think it’s pretty clear who is being rational here and who isn’t.
Happy holidays
the only reason lockdowns and mask mandates are doing harm is becuase we are not recieving support from the federal govt and becuase not everyone is abiding by the mask mandate. they're telling you to shut down business, and then they're giving your covid relief to elon musk and other billionaires.
1 trillion dollar wealth transfer from the bottom to the billionaires in 2020. largest transferrence of wealth in the history of the country.
1 trillion dollar wealth transfer from the bottom to the billionaires in 2020. largest transferrence of wealth in the history of the country.
Yea, ur right it’s harmful to arbitrarily take away a persons livelihood without replacing their means to feed and house themselves and their family.
But even if government was paying all the bills... it would still be harmful (because while we are pursuing policies (lockdown+ mask mandates) that don’t work to mitigate viral spread we aren’t doing the things that might actually help....
Like any good Putin Puppet a wealth of disinformation here
Mask work if everyone is all in
Unfortunately the Anti social right hates so much they won't help fellow Americans
how doesnt lockdowns and masks work? austrailia for example is now maskless and back to normal. the entire country had 16 new cases for December 27th compared to the 11,000 new cases on Dec 26th in NY alone. Melbourne was one of the hotbeds of covid over there in australia. it now has not apparently had a new case of covid since Oct 30th. New Zealand is another example.
it also helps when these countries have universal healthcare and functional governments. people arent losing their healthcare or their incomes in other places like the US is due to covid.
it also helps when these countries have universal healthcare and functional governments. people arent losing their healthcare or their incomes in other places like the US is due to covid.
Lolz,
Don’t bother with the data (from 180 countries) that shows otherwise ...
Any real “scientist” knows you take ur original hypothesis and stick with it no matter what the data indicates..
(Oh wait, mayb that’s religion not science....)
Either way, u gotta stick to ur guns.
I understand, to admit ur wrong would be to admit you supported polices that harmed millions of working folks and didn’t do squat to mitigate viral spread.
Ur really between a rock and a hard place
Sorry I didn't vote for tRUMP so none of that's fact
but hey if it helps you sleep knowing you supported the worst President in our nations history so be it
Several practical measures contributed to Australia's success, experts say. The country chose to quickly and tightly seal its borders, a step some others, notably in Europe, did not take. Health officials rapidly built up the manpower to track down and isolate outbreaks. And unlike the U.S. approach, all of Australia's states either shut their domestic borders or severely limited movement for interstate and, in some cases, intra*state travelers.
Perhaps most important, though, leaders from across the ideological spectrum persuaded Australians to take the pandemic seriously early on and prepared them to give up civil liberties they had never lost before, even during two world wars.
"We told the public: 'This is serious; we want your cooperation,'?" said Marylouise McLaws, a Sydney-based epidemiologist at the University of New South Wales and a World Health Organization adviser.
A lack of partisan rancor increased the effectiveness of the message, McLaws said in an interview.
The conservative prime minister, Scott Morrison, formed a national cabinet with state leaders — known as premiers — from all parties to coordinate decisions. Political conflict was largely suspended, at least initially, and many Australians saw their politicians working together to avert a health crisis.
The government closed Australia's borders to travelers from China on Feb. 1, the same day as the Trump administration in the United States. But unlike the Trump administration, which has criticized its primary infectious-disease adviser, Anthony S. Fauci, Hunt relied heavily on health experts from the start.
"In January and February, we were focused on containing the risk of a catastrophic outbreak," Hunt said in an interview. "We had a clear strategic plan, which was the combination of containment and capacity-building."
"We closed the border and concentrated on testing, tracing and social distancing," he added. "We built up our capacity to fight the virus in primary and aged care and hospitals. We invested in ventilators, and vaccine and treatment research."
Hunt's department oversaw the purchase of huge amounts of protective equipment and clothing, including masks, which became mandatory on Aug. 2 in the state of Victoria, where Melbourne is located.
When private hospitals said they were in danger of going broke because non-urgent surgery had been canceled, the government stepped in with emergency funding, securing beds that could be used for coronavirus patients.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...c198b2-1cb7-11eb-ad53-4c1fda49907d_story.html
Perhaps most important, though, leaders from across the ideological spectrum persuaded Australians to take the pandemic seriously early on and prepared them to give up civil liberties they had never lost before, even during two world wars.
"We told the public: 'This is serious; we want your cooperation,'?" said Marylouise McLaws, a Sydney-based epidemiologist at the University of New South Wales and a World Health Organization adviser.
A lack of partisan rancor increased the effectiveness of the message, McLaws said in an interview.
The conservative prime minister, Scott Morrison, formed a national cabinet with state leaders — known as premiers — from all parties to coordinate decisions. Political conflict was largely suspended, at least initially, and many Australians saw their politicians working together to avert a health crisis.
The government closed Australia's borders to travelers from China on Feb. 1, the same day as the Trump administration in the United States. But unlike the Trump administration, which has criticized its primary infectious-disease adviser, Anthony S. Fauci, Hunt relied heavily on health experts from the start.
"In January and February, we were focused on containing the risk of a catastrophic outbreak," Hunt said in an interview. "We had a clear strategic plan, which was the combination of containment and capacity-building."
"We closed the border and concentrated on testing, tracing and social distancing," he added. "We built up our capacity to fight the virus in primary and aged care and hospitals. We invested in ventilators, and vaccine and treatment research."
Hunt's department oversaw the purchase of huge amounts of protective equipment and clothing, including masks, which became mandatory on Aug. 2 in the state of Victoria, where Melbourne is located.
When private hospitals said they were in danger of going broke because non-urgent surgery had been canceled, the government stepped in with emergency funding, securing beds that could be used for coronavirus patients.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...c198b2-1cb7-11eb-ad53-4c1fda49907d_story.html
So ur saying ur not going to look at the data..
Color me unsurprised.
Ideologues don’t need data.
They have a fervent religious belief and thats enough for them.
Happy holidays growlegal.
@cannavore
Australia also banned pcr testing in april. (Unconfirmed as of now)
So, their case numbers aren’t that comparable to ours (given the millions of unreliable pcr tests that have been administered)
Isn’t it Wierd that WaPo didn’t mention that little tidbit of pertinent info (while holding up Australia as a world leaderin mitigating covid spread)
How would usa case numbers look if you eliminated every positive pcr test ?
Australia also banned pcr testing in april. (Unconfirmed as of now)
So, their case numbers aren’t that comparable to ours (given the millions of unreliable pcr tests that have been administered)
Isn’t it Wierd that WaPo didn’t mention that little tidbit of pertinent info (while holding up Australia as a world leaderin mitigating covid spread)
How would usa case numbers look if you eliminated every positive pcr test ?
So tell us how the population and land mass of Australia is just like the United States?
Apples to oranges
Happy Holidays
Idk much about that.. so I can’t in good faith tell you about it.
I’m sorry good buddy.
But yes, I was basically saying comparing Australia and USA case numbers is like comparing apples to oranges (because of the discrepancy in pcr tests)
I’m sure than are multitude of other variables as well, to which you have alluded (but to what point I’m not sure?)
Just looked briefly, found an article claiming...
Australia bought 200 million dollars worth of pcr tests from China but isn’t using them.
The article didn’t explain why they aren’t using them.
Just google: (Australia pcr test 200 million China)
I’ll try to find out more info on this when I have a chance
Do you have some specific confirmation of the PCR testing ban. I can find no evidence of this.
https://www.tga.gov.au/covid-19-testing-australia-information-health-professionals
December 4 update;
There has been considerable misinformation circulated concerning PCR process, included manufactured statements supposedly made by Kary Mullis regarding inefficacy for 'disease' diagnosis.
There is no guarantee that all testing is going to be 100% accurate 100% of the time. This is one reason repeat testing is called for.
THIS PART APPLICABLE TO VACCINATION POLE THREAD
In my case, only serology testing was available. My first test was false negative, My symptoms said otherwise so I had a 2nd test which showed some activity but also antibodies, meaning there likely was an upper-hand played by my immune system.
Because of this I would need to wait for further antibody testing prior to considering a vaccine. At least that is my semi-educated take.
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