Wearing Masks

[Gry]

wow your a vegan? strange i saw you a steak man.

Went with a vegan diet when I learned I had cancer.
Regret not doing so much sooner than I did.
Just heard of a young man here in the US that
has caught the virus for the second time in 48
days. It was a different strain each time, but
what this indicates is that the damned thing
may well turn out to be something that a
vaccine is not going to work for.
There are apparently seven known strains now
with the potential to rapidly adapt.

Does not make me happy to say this, but I
think it likely that the efforts for a vaccine
may not be successful because the virus
is capable of adapting too quickly for a
vaccine to be viable.

 

[aridbud]

Is it really the main way of infection? I just seen an article claiming it can live on money up to 28 days. Sure you probably can catch it from the air, but if it can live almost a month on paper, inhalation is probably not the main cause of infection. The amount of people I see constantly touching their masks to adjust them can't be too good.

Not too mention that airborne virus can still get in your eyes.

Yeah, when going shopping, mask is mandated, yet dug out a wood working goggles from tool box.

Bet more emphasis this winter, protecting eyes. EASY to get aerosol COVID vapor in eyes. Luckily I wear bifocals, but goggle may be inexpensive remedy! Especially with folks getting it a second time.

Basically, any orifice that is not covered/clothed.....cough! ;o)

 

[GMT]

Captain, not unless you keep your money in a freezer. Check out Dr john Campbell on YouTube. He always links to the studies that prove these things, great source of info without bias.

 

[Lost in a SOG]

GMT youre right and wrong for complex reasons. My point is everyone is going to get it eventually, you probably wouldnt know if you already had, no amount of wearing masks is going to stop everyone getting it eventually, unless youre pro some sort of insane yearly mandatory vaccinations or want to live in a bubble as well.

No vaccine is going to save us from it, a new vaccine hasnt been made for 40 years and even then as always it was rolled out well after herd immunity had already kicked in and the bell curve was on the swing down.

Genuinely if youre health is poor, your blood like syrup and specific oxygen already low then it acting with the flu might well kill you.. But no amount of everyone wearing masks is going to stop that. Sort your health out if you want to live longer, wearing a mask is just a passive agressive way of blaming someone else when you get sick. Also just dont go out when your ill, thats common sense.

And the flu is and always has been the big killer and can kill at any age.. unlike this thing which isnt taking healthy people under 65..

The age bands for infection cases and deaths tell the story we are looking at the government jumping on a weakly toxic virus under the pretense of protecting the elderly, sick and infirm who do not have good lymph or blood movement largely due to the effects of poor food, inactivity and meds leading to poor lymphatic and blood flow making it far more likely younwill see a cytokine storm sudden blood agluttimation and embolism issues.

I do not think the ends justifies the means.. i do not think the majority should dictate the rights to the few..

Its classic divide and conquer.. "when they came for me there was noone left to stand up for me".. misery loves company fascist bs.

I do not think that running over 2 humane intelligent people is just automatically better than 10 dispassionate idiots.. i do not care if someones granny dies this winter.. I believe in terrain theory and if you healthy then you live not germ theory where the germs strength matters and will kill any one anytime which is what is in part fueling this acceptance of the states tumultuous response.

Its obviously not true as this virus is not killing healthy people. We are basically destroying the future for the young to keep the elderly and unwell section of society alive and that is a bad trade off for all our futures. People used to be very happy if they made 70..

 

[mean mr.mustard]

GMT youre right and wrong for complex reasons. My point is everyone is going to get it eventually, you probably wouldnt know if you already had, no amount of wearing masks is going to stop everyone getting it eventually, unless youre pro some sort of insane yearly mandatory vaccinations kr want to live in a bubble as well.

No vaccine is going to save us from it, a new vaccine hasnt been made for 40 years and even then as always it was rolled out well after herd immunity had already kicked in and the bell curve was on the swing down.

Genuinely if youre health is poor, your blood like syrup and specific oxygen already low then it acting with the flu might well kill you.. But no amount of everyone wearing masks is going to stop that.

And the flu is and always has been the big killer and can kill at any age.. unlike this thing which isnt taking healthy people under 65..

The age bands for infection cases and deaths tell the story we are looking at the government jumping on a weakly toxic virus under the pretense of protecting the elderly, sick and infirm who do not have good lymph or blood movement largely due to the effects of poor food, inactivity and meds leading to poor lymphatic and blood flow making it far more likely younwill see a cytokine storm sudden blood agluttimation and embolism issues.

I do not think the ends justifies the means.. i do not think the majority should dictate the rights to the few..

Its classic divide and conquer.. "when they came for me there was noone left to stand up for me".. misery loves company fascist bs.

I do not think that running over 2 humane intelligent people is just automatically better than 10 dispassionate idiots.. i do not care if someones granny dies this winter.. I believe in terrain theory and if you healthy then you live not germ theory where the germs strength matters and will kill any one anytime which is what is in part fueling this acceptance of the states tumultuous response.

Its obviously not true as this virus is not killing healthy people. We are basically destroying the future for the young to keep the elderly and unwell section of society alive and that is a bad trade off for all our futures.

Your head is firmly in the sand.

This virus has killed plenty of healthy people under 65.

 

[Lost in a SOG]

less than 400 in the uk under 65 with no known underlying health issues aka co morbidities. Thats pretty damn low. The flu kills people of all ages that have no health issues every year..

Thats why it killed mostly people in care homes. Very few genuinely healthy people have died with just corona on their death cert.

Its just not a very toxic virus if younarent really old and/or really immuno supressed for some reason..

Seriously this fascist dim approach is goingnto kill so many more than the virus itself through the misery its causing.

Just the lack of cancer screening alone that has happened because of lockdown will kill more rhan the virus.. the economic results of this could also kill way more through suicides..

People are just existing right now.they arent living and we are going to lose everything practically over this daft pandemic.

 

[h.h.]

Destroying youth by wearing a mask in the store? It’s just a mouth covering. Nothing more. You’re reading a lot into it that simply isn’t there. It’s just a piece of cloth.

 

[mr.brunch]

I think the vaccines they are working on target the spike protein (the bit the virus uses to Enter cells) which should remain unchanged when the virus mutates- as its this part that makes it a ‘coronavirus’
That being the case, it shouldn’t matter if it mutates as it needs the spike to force entry

 

[armedoldhippy]

Your head is firmly in the sand.

This virus has killed plenty of healthy people under 65.

don't you understand yet? facts don't matter...

 

[Hammerhead]

 

[Douglas.Curtis]

Doesn't the CDC website now list only 6% of the original 'covid' deaths as being pure covid related?

You have to do the math, because they (conveniently?) skipped listing the "Covid Only" data. Subtract it all from the total and you end up with about 6%. Then factor in the number of "Yeah, they listed my relative's death of xxx as covid and: "it took me 4 months to get it changed" or "and they STILL have their death listed as covid." To me that's adding up to be a fudge factor of considerable size.

Wait... what were we being distracted about again...?

 

[mr.brunch]

Because without the Covid, the pre existing conditions don’t kill on their own?
For example, if I had a dodgy heart I might live another ten years but if I contact Covid it’s brown bread time.
Does that mean Covid didn’t do the deed?

 

[Microbeman]

less than 400 in the uk under 65 with no known underlying health issues aka co morbidities. Thats pretty damn low. The flu kills people of all ages that have no health issues every year..

Thats why it killed mostly people in care homes. Very few genuinely healthy people have died with just corona on their death cert.

Its just not a very toxic virus if younarent really old and/or really immuno supressed for some reason..

Seriously this fascist dim approach is goingnto kill so many more than the virus itself through the misery its causing.

Just the lack of cancer screening alone that has happened because of lockdown will kill more rhan the virus.. the economic results of this could also kill way more through suicides..

People are just existing right now.they arent living and we are going to lose everything practically over this daft pandemic.

Maybe mother nature is letting us know we already were not really living. Maybe a continuously growing economy is just plain stupid and unrealistic.

PS. NEW ENGLAND don't forget to write my name in.

 

[Microbeman]

Is it really the main way of infection? I just seen an article claiming it can live on money up to 28 days. Sure you probably can catch it from the air, but if it can live almost a month on paper, inhalation is probably not the main cause of infection. The amount of people I see constantly touching their masks to adjust them can't be too good.

Not too mention that airborne virus can still get in your eyes.

Yes, I surmise from research that contact with hands then passed to nose and eyes is the main conveyance.

 

[Gypsy Nirvana]

- thinking about it - how often do people actually change or wash their mask? - probably the majority of people don't do that regularly enough - or at all - so the mask becomes one of the most dangerous vectors of the virus - gets nice and warm and moist over the mouth/nose - where germs can breed easy -

 

[GMT]

Track and trace seems to be correctly finding cases, though not all of the cases, where infection has spread, by identifying people who have shared the same breathing space. Rather than the flow of cash or the rubbing together of masks. I'd wager its the airborne transmission that's the main transmission therefore.

 

[member 505892]

Track and trace seems to be correctly finding cases, though not all of the cases, where infection has spread, by identifying people who have shared the same breathing space. Rather than the flow of cash or the rubbing together of masks. I'd wager its the airborne transmission that's the main transmission therefore.

I don't pay a whole lot of attention because my region hasn't had a case for months but i thought i saw a report somewhere, can't remember where, that it is alomst exlusively passed by breathing and speaking, and it's very unlikely you will get it from just touching something and rubbing it into your eye, nose, mouth.

Unless you go around licking handrails and legal tender in covid hot spots.

And i thought i also heard or read that it -can- survive for a long time on something if the conditions are perfect, but again, very unlikely in most situations.

I could be wrong, but that was the impression i got.

 

[exploziv]

- thinking about it - how often do people actually change or wash their mask? - probably the majority of people don't do that regularly enough - or at all - so the mask becomes one of the most dangerous vectors of the virus - gets nice and warm and moist over the mouth/nose - where germs can breed easy -

For me personally it's a rule, if I touched the mask is either to put it on or take it off and discard. But yeah lots of people reuse single use masks and touch them a lot, keep them in their dirty hand or in the pocket, then use it again. At this point I'm not sure if they use the masks just because of the law or they aren't educated enaugh to know they are doing something wrong.
I even seen a guy taking mask down to bury his finger into the nose. Others take it down or move it around just to scratch an itch near nose or mouth.

Masks can be effective but when you wear them in the corect way. And also if all people wear them.

 

[Gry]

Face masks: what the data say
The science supports that face coverings are saving lives during the coronavirus pandemic, and yet the debate trundles on. How much evidence is enough?
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02801-8?utm_source=pocket-newtab

 

[h.h.]

- thinking about it - how often do people actually change or wash their mask? - probably the majority of people don't do that regularly enough - or at all - so the mask becomes one of the most dangerous vectors of the virus - gets nice and warm and moist over the mouth/nose - where germs can breed easy -

How to wash a mask.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prevent-getting-sick/how-to-wash-cloth-face-coverings.html