Wearing Masks

[Chi13]

i read that Australia has become a corona police state with actual police check points on the internal roads randomly asking for your Papers please. just like in any third world dictatorship, you get accosted by thugs in uniform while going about your day as best as possible while being unemployed, drinking too much and addicted to antidepressants and sleeping pills thanks to the lock down destroying your ability to pay your bills you are now about to be homeless too. low numbers dead from corona though, so thats good. i just worry about the millions destroyed lives. houses lost, families split, suicides, depression, addiction, preventive medical care and mental health care skipped and so on.

apparently there is even a night time curfew in effect meaning you have to be at home by 20:00. the corona has a watch down under apparently. despite all that, polls show Australians are loving it, if those polls are trustworthy anyway.

You talk some shit sometimes. Talk about exaggeration. You make it sound like we are living in a police state. There are some state border closures which are due to be lifted soon. In some areas of one city there have been curfews. There are restrictions on numbers of people at public gatherings. At times there have been restrictions on how far you can travel. But guess what, it's all to do with stopping the spread of a virus, not about imposing a police state. After it is finished it will be back to normal. In most areas it already is. No new infections where I live for weeks.

The majority of the population are fine with this; a vocal few are not. They seem to have picked up on the bullshit coming from the US. They want the freedom to infect others.

 

[Hammerhead]

It was nice to see the Australian GOV cover the costs of the Australia zoo when it all got shut down from this pandemic.. Looks like it back to normal operations again.

 

[DuskrayTroubador]

There is a big rush on USA rural properties as well, I've noticed in the market.

Great. A bunch of asshole city-slickers are going to drive up the prices on all the land.


Then, once they get bored without all of their renovated-every-six-months restaurants and bars with $12 beers, they'll do their best to make a profit selling the land back -- of course, after they also realize they don't know how to use land for anything.

 

[armedoldhippy]

Have you seen the pictures of how far a sneeze travels both with and without a mask? Is it perfect? No. Is it better than no mask at all? Yes. Very much.

If someone is infected. It reduces the chance of spreading it to others both directly or off surfaces.

Unfortunately it probably does not do much for people in enclosed areas with poor ventilation. But it still catches some.

have you seen the video of a jogger sneezing? he leaves a trail of droplets floating for about 15 feet. does anyone really believe that you have to be in close contact/in an enclosed area for ten minutes before you can catch it? i think if someone sneezes & you are misfortunate enough in the next minute or so to waltz through that cloud on an inhale, you got potential problems...but, WTF do i know?

 

[armedoldhippy]

the mask thing isnt just Trumps fault in fairness. governments all over the world including the WHO told everyone not to use masks, only medical profesionals should use them. its only in the last months that the messaging from the WHO about masks changed.

remember there was a shortage and they lied to us so medical staff would have enough. now you can get 50 masks for 16 bux here.

what do you think the effect would have been on the general population if the very people we depend on to help us when sick, got sick/died themselves because everyone wanted a mask? more deaths? fewer? inquiring minds etc...seriously.

 

[h.h.]

have you seen the video of a jogger sneezing? he leaves a trail of droplets floating for about 15 feet. does anyone really believe that you have to be in close contact/in an enclosed area for ten minutes before you can catch it? i think if someone sneezes & you are misfortunate enough in the next minute or so to waltz through that cloud on an inhale, you got potential problems...but, WTF do i know?

I’m reading that it may be the amount of infected aerosol taken in. Your body can fight off small amounts but is easily overwhelmed.

Outside is better. Social distancing. And masks.

You’re still gonna come in contact. Maybe by following the recommendations we can eventually acquire herd immunity, but without dying or getting sick.

 

[h.h.]

what do you think the effect would have been on the general population if the very people we depend on to help us when sick, got sick/died themselves because everyone wanted a mask? more deaths? fewer? inquiring minds etc...seriously.

The message I got was there was a shortage of masks in the beginning. They didn’t lie. Some just didn’t listen.

 

[gaiusmarius]

You talk some shit sometimes. Talk about exaggeration. You make it sound like we are living in a police state. There are some state border closures which are due to be lifted soon. In some areas of one city there have been curfews. There are restrictions on numbers of people at public gatherings. At times there have been restrictions on how far you can travel. But guess what, it's all to do with stopping the spread of a virus, not about imposing a police state. After it is finished it will be back to normal. In most areas it already is. No new infections where I live for weeks.

The majority of the population are fine with this; a vocal few are not. They seem to have picked up on the bullshit coming from the US. They want the freedom to infect others.

so, you are saying that its all true, there are internal check points, there are internal border closures, curfews (wtf) etc, which part was not true.

i also said that Aussies seem to be fine with it all according to local polling.

truth is, your country isn't the only one that kept the death rates low, but it's the only 1st world nation that went so far with corona laws, almost like china, arresting people for speech even.

its gonna be fascinating in a few years when all the data can be analysed and compared properly from every side of the equation. only then will we really know who did the best job as a nation.

oh yeeah, nearly forgot the insult, lmao....lots of shit talking going on, its easy, but pointing out the factual errors in the post rationally and calmly is a bit harder apparently.

edited to add: police can enter any home without a warrant now too in Australia. but sure, its temporary, government always gives up power it takes in emergencies, don't you remember how the patriot act was cancelled after bin laden was killed? but thats the US, im sure in Australia all human rights cancelling terrorist legislation is cancelled right?

 

[Gry]

so, you are saying that its all true, there are internal check points, there are internal border closures, curfews (wtf) etc, which part was not true.

i also said that Aussies seem to be fine with it all according to local polling.

truth is, your country isn't the only one that kept the death rates low, but it's the only 1st world nation that went so far with corona laws, almost like china, arresting people for speech even.

its gonna be fascinating in a few years when all the data can be analysed and compared properly from every side of the equation. only then will we really know who did the best job as a nation.

oh yeeah, nearly forgot the insult, lmao....lots of shit talking going on, its easy, but pointing out the factual errors in the post rationally and calmly is a bit harder apparently.

I would readily grant that the laws involving public health are likely
some of the more drastic and radical that exist in our society.
I would suggest that it be remembered they were passed by those
who had seen the "Spanish Flu" bring our society to it knees.
The laws are indeed extraordinary, but they are also very specific and
short term.
The intent and effect being to allow our society to survive.
Before any studies are reviewed, we already know that the countries
who stuck closest to the traditional public health model, are those
who will make out the best.
Public health is not new, the results it delivers are well known.
Big pharma and our political leaders, chose to pretend otherwise.
That is morally reprehensible.
A public health based approach is the most practical, and frugal,
and effective approach.
For profit medicine made war upon a public health based approach
to dealing with this.
We need to find a politician who is willing to say now is the time to
completely reevaluate our "deal" and relationship with big pharma.
The extortion the industry has gotten away with is insane and is
tuned medicine into a disgusting industry that has little to do with health.

 

[St. Phatty]

there was that video of the 4 Australian (maybe) police officers vs. the 2 old ladies on the park bench.

 

[gaiusmarius]

I would readily grant that the laws involving public health are likely
some of the more drastic and radical that exist in our society.
I would suggest that it be remembered they were passed by those
who had seen the "Spanish Flu" bring our society to it knees.
The laws are indeed extraordinary, but they are also very specific and
short term.
The intent and effect being to allow our society to survive.
Before any studies are reviewed, we already know that the countries
who stuck closest to the traditional public health model, are those
who will make out the best.
Public health is not new, the results it delivers are well known.
Big pharma and our political leaders, chose to pretend otherwise.
That is morally reprehensible.
A public health based approach is the most practical, and frugal,
and effective approach.
For profit medicine made war upon a public health based approach
to dealing with this.
We need to find a politician who is willing to say now is the time to
completely reevaluate our "deal" and relationship with big pharma.
The extortion the industry has gotten away with is insane and is
tuned medicine into a disgusting industry that has little to do with health.

i agree with all of that.
i never said it was good or bad, just that it was.
btw the curfew was not a health recommendation.

 

[Microbeman]

the mask thing isnt just Trumps fault in fairness. governments all over the world including the WHO told everyone not to use masks, only medical profesionals should use them. its only in the last months that the messaging from the WHO about masks changed.

remember there was a shortage and they lied to us so medical staff would have enough. now you can get 50 masks for 16 bux here.

Regardless the information was readily available to the 'thinking' person and was recommended to the USA.

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showpost.php?p=8831045&postcount=24841

 

[armedoldhippy]

Great. A bunch of asshole city-slickers are going to drive up the prices on all the land.

got that happening here, but it started before the virus. lots of well-off folks that retired to Florida have realized that it is too hot, too crowded, too expensive, too many hurricanes, just TOO... they are moving halfway back to where they lived before, and that happens to be east & central TN, western NC, and much of Virginia. places that were family farms are cut up & quarter million dollar homes sprout up like mushrooms after a warm spring rain. fuck 'em...go back home to die.

 

[CaptainDankness]

Great. A bunch of asshole city-slickers are going to drive up the prices on all the land.


Then, once they get bored without all of their renovated-every-six-months restaurants and bars with $12 beers, they'll do their best to make a profit selling the land back -- of course, after they also realize they don't know how to use land for anything.

Once they get bored they won't have any hope in making a profit. Everything I'm seeing is we're going to have one hell of a housing market crash come 2021. I'm personally saving my pennies, might be able to afford an apartment building or 2 soon enough.

 

[armedoldhippy]

there was that video of the 4 Australian (maybe) police officers vs. the 2 old ladies on the park bench.

i'd call for more back up. them little ol' ladies can be a real bitch sometimes. go to a grocery store when the weather man says it is gonna snow. just TRY to grab a gallon of milk & loaf of bread. a GREAT way to get a hair pin shoved through your hand...

 

[oldschoolnitro]

W+6 0

W+6 0

Are you kidQs starting to realize that the Covid19 panic was unjustified an mostly media driven ?

 

[mr.brunch]

Everything is media driven these days.

 

[Crooked8]

Are you kidQs starting to realize that the Covid19 panic was unjustified an mostly media driven ?

No, now more than ever people realize it is serious. To still call it a hoax is beyond absurd. Jesus dude, look around.

 

[Switcher56]

I would readily grant that the laws involving public health are likely
some of the more drastic and radical that exist in our society.
I would suggest that it be remembered they were passed by those
who had seen the "Spanish Flu" bring our society to it knees.
The laws are indeed extraordinary, but they are also very specific and
short term.
The intent and effect being to allow our society to survive.
Before any studies are reviewed, we already know that the countries
who stuck closest to the traditional public health model, are those
who will make out the best.
Public health is not new, the results it delivers are well known.
Big pharma and our political leaders, chose to pretend otherwise.
That is morally reprehensible.
A public health based approach is the most practical, and frugal,
and effective approach.
For profit medicine made war upon a public health based approach
to dealing with this.
We need to find a politician who is willing to say now is the time to
completely reevaluate our "deal" and relationship with big pharma.
The extortion the industry has gotten away with is insane and is
tuned medicine into a disgusting industry that has little to do with health.

Well said

 

[Switcher56]

The message I got was there was a shortage of masks in the beginning. They didn’t lie. Some just didn’t listen.

Correctamundo!