St. Phatty
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Swedes take Vitamin D as a matter of culture & living at 60 degrees Latitude.
They're also much less touchy feely air-kissy than the Italians and French.
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Swedes take Vitamin D as a matter of culture & living at 60 degrees Latitude.
They're also much less touchy feely air-kissy than the Italians and French.
forget Trump.
lets compare to England, they are still losing people, if that keeps going their death count will quickly overtake the Swedes over all per capita.
Compare to Australia. Don’t limit your research.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1104709/coronavirus-deaths-worldwide-per-million-inhabitants/
Its to late. Thousands of idiots arent taking Covid-19 seriously. If the world would have taken this serious from day 1 we all would be much better. Instead there so many infected getting in under control now is wishful thinking.
St. Phatty
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the problem is not losing a few Darwin Award candidates, like Trump and the Trump Humpers.
The problem is adapting to Covid19 so that it is not a Business-Killer.
Can you imagine the heartburn & worry for all the young entrepreneurs that decided to open restaurants the first 1/2 of 2020 ?
Meanwhile the US fucking Gov. can't decide whether or not to lend the airline industry a TIMELY helping hand in the form of more $$.
The "well we're thinking about it" approach of the Dems & Repugs tells us a lot about what their priorities are.
Meanwhile Disney just laid off 28,000 and the airlines are in the process of laying off a similar number.
This is why if we would have taken the shutdown seriously IMO we wouldn't be where we are. The 1st 6 months was critical. Now its too late, no way we could handle another shutdown..
They said forget about masks, make respirators, everyone making cars, watches, paper bags, make respirators instead. Whether you want to or not. Forget masks those are just for first responders and The Authorities, and the NBA. We'll just take other countries masks. At work they said make masks because we sure as hell aren't giving you more than one. Forget about machines making masks, it's much easier to make respirators.
Can anyone explain to me how lockdowns and mask mandates could in anyway be justified if the only country to not participate currently has a lower covid death Rate than the USA?
I’m honestly dumbfounded
I’m honestly dumbfounded
Very hard to make such comparisons...
Sweden did have a lockdown, but it was voluntary . They don't have very much tourism, many older people live alone... and there is far less obesity etc.
Compared with its closest neighbours ( a better comparison ) sweden suffered worse than denmark which has a stricter lockdown.
"[FONT="]Sweden has about [/FONT]8200 confirmed cases per million people as of 12 August[FONT="], compared with 1780 in Norway and 2560 in Denmark. (For the UK it is 4600 and the US 15,400.)"[/FONT]
[FONT="]https://www.newscientist.com/articl...trategy-a-cautionary-tale-or-a-success-story/[/FONT]
Sweden did have a lockdown, but it was voluntary . They don't have very much tourism, many older people live alone... and there is far less obesity etc.
Compared with its closest neighbours ( a better comparison ) sweden suffered worse than denmark which has a stricter lockdown.
"[FONT="]Sweden has about [/FONT]8200 confirmed cases per million people as of 12 August[FONT="], compared with 1780 in Norway and 2560 in Denmark. (For the UK it is 4600 and the US 15,400.)"[/FONT]
[FONT="]https://www.newscientist.com/articl...trategy-a-cautionary-tale-or-a-success-story/[/FONT]
So what ur saying is... mandatory lockdowns And mask mandates did very little/nothing to stop the spread of infection and decimated poor folk and small biz.
Good to know
Nope, that's not what i'm saying at all, nor what the link says. You need to check your confirmation bias !
two similar countries: Denmark, mandatory lockdown, 2560 cases per million
Sweden, NO mandatory lockdown, 8200 cases per million .
Can you see the difference ?
two similar countries: Denmark, mandatory lockdown, 2560 cases per million
Sweden, NO mandatory lockdown, 8200 cases per million .
Can you see the difference ?
I’m not talking about cases per million,
I’m talking death rate per million.
Sweden 577 covid deaths per million
USA 578 covid deaths per million
I’m talking death rate per million.
Sweden 577 covid deaths per million
USA 578 covid deaths per million
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case numbers are 1 stat, what about the death numbers for the last 7 days? or for the last 3 months? yes it doesn't tell the whole story, but you really only get that after some years have past.
we had a surge recently in cases, but no corresponding surge in death rates or hospitalizations. most recently the new cases numbers have reduced again here.
btw: our lockdown in Switzerland, was also voluntary, but for the time it lasted everyone was still scared shitless, so we all followed the recommendations. but no one checked why people were out and about. you were allowed to do sport and go to the food shops.
Sweden actually didnt even recommend a lockdown as far as i recall. they focused on isolating the vulnerable population. everyone else went on as normal.
TychoMonolyth
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There's a lady in this small community who opened/tookover a restaurant that was closed for 6 months. She had her grand opening December 1st. She's been serving takeout curbside since covid broke here end of Feb. The government has wage relief for small businesses but that doesn't replace sales. Poor woman has aged 20 years.
How many dreams has covid killed?
Small business is the backbone of rural communities.
this is probably what there has been so much madness and increased crime in big cities. too many people are without hope for the future while sitting in the middle of one of the richest nations. thats gotta breed discontent.
TychoMonolyth
Boreal Curing
Crime works for today, not the future.
actually USA is 632 deaths per million.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1104709/coronavirus-deaths-worldwide-per-million-inhabitants/
Are you saying the USA had a 'strict' lockdown then ?
it seemed very different state to state and quite patchy the way it has been reported in the UK... with lots of folks following Trump's lead of being quite blase about it.
More recently it seems that more young people are getting the virus, so more cases but fewer hospitalisations and deaths.
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