shiva82
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october the 7th was staged . as usual . there is no hostages. just agents
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october the 7th was staged . as usual . there is no hostages. just agents
No hostages.
Got it.
Got it.
It's much more likely that Hamas intended for Israel to respond with swift vengeance rather than reasonable negotiation.
Any reasonable person would have expected violence in retaliation to violence.
Both sides will continue with their hateful violence... Hamas just wants more support, and they are certainly getting it.... from some surprising sources.
Odd how some can come together to mutually loathe boundary-challenged, rampaging, thieving, murdering bullies who abuse their power and protection from a Super Power for 3/4 of a century+, isn't it? What on earth are those people thinking when they properly identify the abuser in a given situation?
Of course, there will still continue to be those who claim neutrality and 'both-sides-isms', despite the overwhelming evidence of the fallacy of this in any metric, but whose willful blindness makes another statement altogether.
There's a good reason some are on ignore.
People who are blind to their own bullshit rarely sit at my table. People who deflect when they've been lethargic and minimally true to their words never sit at my table.
Of course, there will still continue to be those who claim neutrality and 'both-sides-isms', despite the overwhelming evidence of the fallacy of this in any metric, but whose willful blindness makes another statement altogether.
There's a good reason some are on ignore.
People who are blind to their own bullshit rarely sit at my table. People who deflect when they've been lethargic and minimally true to their words never sit at my table.
In case you have been too obsessed with labeling others, I think both sides are violent and they wish to remain so.
I am aware that Israel has grossly overstepped and has been in the wrong for genocidal destruction on a massive scale.
I simply pointed out that Hamas is equally bloodthirsty... and that crying out for more death is exactly the same thing that Hamas and Israel are doing.
"Equally bloodthirsty"= bullshit. Only one is living on another's land. Only one is killing and raping without restraint. Only one is armed and protected by a Superpower.
Delusions and gross exaggerations are not the same thing as facts. 'Simply' is correct.
Already set for manure and guano this year.
Delusions and gross exaggerations are not the same thing as facts. 'Simply' is correct.
Already set for manure and guano this year.
every able bodied man in this thread would be violent if zionists stole their homes and bulldozed their still living families. you're living in some deluded fantasy if you think otherwise, and you know this, which is why you never answered my hypothetical question.
and you are simply wrong for the millionth time. israel killed tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands from 1947-1986 before hamas was even chartered in 1987. israel has killed more palestinian civilians since oct 7 than hamas has ever killed civilians + combatants.
should people who commit genocide and war crimes be brought to justice? should they be put to death?
What question didn't I answer?
I'm not wrong. Hamas would kill just as many Israelis if they had the ability. You, yourself, have cried out for the death of Israel. You know where they're coming from.
Either way, that would include both sides.
It's absolutely true. Just because they can't kill as many at a time as Israel doesn't mean that they don't want to.
That doesn't mean that the other side is less hateful or less willing to kill.
PS I could easily see that it would make them even more hateful and even more willing to kill.
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Yes, and yes, but such a policy would scare the shit out of the US and it's 'cleaner' allies, might result in more soldiers refusing unlawful orders as provided fo0r in the UCMJ, and would piss off the DoD to the core.
We expect we and ours to be coated in Teflon where war crimes are concerned, no matter what. but we don't mind referring -others- to the World Court in The Hague. but the invisible proverbial 10-gallon white cowboy hats put us above all of that.
Yes, it was foolish of me to agree to that statement.
I think Hamas had expected Israel’s disproportionate response and the killing of civilians. I believe they would have hoped for Israel to lose international support - perhaps even to come under pressure from the US.
But for most of Gaza to be razed? No, who would have expected that.
For Netanyahu to have no interest in seeing the hostages returned? No, who would have expected that.
Regarding US aid:
“In recent years, some U.S. and Israeli analysts have said that U.S. aid to Israel should be reevaluated because Israel is now a wealthy country—the fourteenth richest per capita—with one of the most advanced militaries in the world.”
U.S. Aid to Israel in Four Charts
Israel has long been the leading recipient of U.S. foreign aid, including military support. That aid has come under heightened scrutiny amid Israel’s monthslong war to eliminate Hamas.
www.cfr.org
But for the US to withhold its veto protection? Short of Israel building gas chambers, I don’t see it.
Yes, it was foolish of me to agree to that statement.
I think Hamas had expected Israel’s disproportionate response and the killing of civilians. I believe they would have hoped for Israel to lose international support - perhaps even to come under pressure from the US.
But for most of Gaza to be razed? No, who would have expected that?
For Netanyahu to have no interest in seeing the hostages returned? No, who would have expected that.
Regarding US aid:
“In recent years, some U.S. and Israeli analysts have said that U.S. aid to Israel should be reevaluated because Israel is now a wealthy country—the fourteenth richest per capita—with one of the most advanced militaries in the world.”
U.S. Aid to Israel in Four Charts
Israel has long been the leading recipient of U.S. foreign aid, including military support. That aid has come under heightened scrutiny amid Israel’s monthslong war to eliminate Hamas.
But for the US to withhold its veto protection? Short of Israel building gas chambers, I don’t see it.
I think your assessment immediately above this post is apt.
And thank you for the video. Very adept (insightful and honest).
Israel is now the privileged spoiled child (and strategic, opportunistic US State Dept. experiment) of the US Yuppie-scum corporatist Government, as well as Germany and a couple/few others. Israel can do no wrong in their eyes. The spoiled child that is now Israel has had the supposed red lines moved again and again to where these supposed 'red lines', which represent very real prohibitions under international and US laws, now mean fuck all.
And we all have some idea, I think, of what it's like to have a spoiled kid in the neighborhood who answers to no one, not even the supposed parents. A kid beyond reproach no matter what the little pissant does.
Eventually someone does for that spoiled brat what the parents SHOULD have done.
Me, I'm impatient waiting for the overdue come-uppance, and all of the apologists masking their bullshit with the woulda', shoulda', coulda' nonsense about what Palestine or Hamas MIGHT do if they had a chance means nothing, other than to say that the longer Palestine is subjected to this, the greater the likelihood that there will be justifiable hell to pay in one way or another.
More towers in Manhattan dropping? More missiles into Israel? More US military bases being attacked elsewhere (where they probably don't belong in the first fucking place)? Consulates made fair game after Israel's stunts blowing them up? World War III as a result of preferred limited blindness to atrocities.? Take your pick, but it's coming. Set your watch to it.
I'm out to park several vehicles in the road so I can get this slushy bullshit that froze up last night plowed. The dude's on his way, so I'm moving a bit faster now.
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I doubt that’s it, otherwise the UN as a whole would share the same view.
US is unlikely to stop giving military aid to Israel − because it benefits from it
The US has given military aid to Israel since the 1960s, backed by both domestic and regional strategic interests, including containing Iran.
theconversation.com
How the US became Israel’s closest ally
The US has stood with Israel throughout history. What does it mean for the Gaza war?
www.vox.com
And no, no holy war either.
Is there a clause that says it's okay to storm neighborhoods, killing, raping, and kidnapping?
Such a strong argument. You’ve really made an effort.
That's precisely what both sides will continue to do.
There's no win and the fact that this thread is at almost 850 pages is evidence towards my point.
Humans hate.
We don't care to abandon the pattern.
Humans hate.
We don't care to abandon the pattern.
