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GenghisKush

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'vore my objection is to the propaganda you've posted that debases the memory of the Holocaust by comparing Gaza to Auschwitz. It was one thing to compare Gaza to a concentration camp. It is a whole 'nother thing to compare Gaza to an extermination camp. Your ignorance of or indifference to the memory of the Holocaust is what I would correct. Say anything you want about Israel, IDGAF.
 

Cannavore

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200-400k dead in a year
millions displaced marching up and down the gaza strip for a year
if you go too far out on your boat to catch some fish for your family, you'll be turned to swiss cheese
purposely being starved by israel
drinking sea water
israel bulldozes their farms and olive trees
raping prisoners including children
purposely targeting children
military blockade & occupation
any peaceful attempt at protest is met with gunfire deaths and injuries


"While holding villagers in the bakery hostage, Zionist soldiers ordered the baker, Hussein al-Shareef from the town of Lydd, to throw his son Abdul Rauf into the burning oven. After refusing, the soldiers knocked Hussein to the ground and proceeded to throw Abdul Rauf into the oven while his father watched.

“Follow your son. He needs you there,” said one of the soldiers before throwing Hussein in next."
complete with jews throwing palestinians into ovens
 

moose eater

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Because they want to kill a bunch of people that have nothing to do with the conflict?
So, when you're living on top of someone else's land, or maybe even in someone else's home, and perhaps your 'settler' parents even helped to steal those things, you have nothing to do with the conflict?

Wow.
 

JKD

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What’s happening to Palestinians is nothing new.

During the Nazi regime, the process known as Aryanization involved the systematic confiscation of Jewish property and businesses. This was carried out through a combination of legal measures and outright theft. Jews were progressively stripped of their assets, including bank accounts, real estate, and businesses, often under the guise of legality through numerous decrees and regulations. The process was bureaucratically organized, involving many institutions and individuals who benefited from acquiring Jewish assets at reduced prices. The ultimate goal was to eliminate Jews from economic life in Germany and occupied territories, culminating in their forced emigration or deportation.

Let’s just all shrug our shoulders and watch history rhyme.
 

right

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'vore my objection is to the propaganda you've posted that debases the memory of the Holocaust by comparing Gaza to Auschwitz. It was one thing to compare Gaza to a concentration camp. It is a whole 'nother thing to compare Gaza to an extermination camp. Your ignorance of or indifference to the memory of the Holocaust is what I would correct. Say anything you want about Israel, IDGAF.
Look at all his sources. He is just posting up randos from elon musks x
 

GenghisKush

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the best thing an American jew can do is distance themselves from this fake ass country.
you're doing what most libbed up jewish american celebrities are doing, like pedo Seinfeld for example, unable to separate judaism and zionism to the point where you see it as an attack on your religion.
Nothing has inspired me to be supportive of Israel more than assholes such as yourself threatening to threaten Jews unless we distance ourselves. You obediently ignore this fact: Hamas defines itself as seeking the destruction of Jews everywhere (ie genocide). On October 7 2023 Hamas' words were matched by its deeds. I choose to see this for what it is.

What’s happening to Palestinians is nothing new.

During the Nazi regime, the process known as Aryanization involved the systematic confiscation of Jewish property and businesses. This was carried out through a combination of legal measures and outright theft. Jews were progressively stripped of their assets, including bank accounts, real estate, and businesses, often under the guise of legality through numerous decrees and regulations. The process was bureaucratically organized, involving many institutions and individuals who benefited from acquiring Jewish assets at reduced prices. The ultimate goal was to eliminate Jews from economic life in Germany and occupied territories, culminating in their forced emigration or deportation.

Let’s just all shrug our shoulders and watch history rhyme.

Here's an Israeli Palestinian Christian who was Justice of the Supreme Court of Israel and who convicted the President of Israel of the crime of rape. Seems to me this is a far different tune from the song you're singing.


There are many Israeli Palestinians who exist at the highest levels of academics, culture, and public service in Israel. IMO it is dishonorable for one to say the condition of Palestinians who live under Israeli law is remotely comparable to Aryanization in Germany or Apartheid in South Africa.


Here is an oft-forgotten verse, while we're at it. Herman mentioned this some time ago, and pointed out that the so-called pro-Palestinian left activists obediently ignore these facts, too.

The expulsion of Jews from Arab countries and Iran – an untold history​

02 Feb 2021

The expulsion of Jews from Arab countries and Iran – an untold history


This op-ed was written by WJC Jewish Diplomatic Corps member Andrea Mifano, was orginally published on the Brazilian Jewish news website Kadima in Portuguese on 3 December 2020.

Until the 1960s, approximately one million Jews lived in Iran and other Arab countries having arrived in the region more than 2,000 years before. Nowadays, it is estimated that only around 15,000 remain, as the majority of the Jewish population in Muslim lands were forced to flee their homes in the years following the establishment of the State of Israel. This mass expulsion and exodus is part of modern history, but inexplicably, it’s neither taught at schools nor remembered within the context of the conflicts in the Middle East.

For over 2,500 years, Jews lived continuously in North Africa, the Middle East and the Gulf region the first Jewish population had already settled there at least 1,000 years before the advent of Islam.

Whats app image 2021 02 02 at 5.14.29 pm


The Farḥi family in Cairo, Egypt around 1955. The author’s mother Danielle and her two grandparents Marc Jose Farḥi, his wife Vera.

Throughout the generations, Jews in the region were often subjected to various forms of discrimination -- and in many cases, ranked lower on the status of society than their Muslim compatriots -- but they were nevertheless loyal citizens who contributed significantly to the culture and development of their respective countries.

Despite the positive influence that Jews brought to the places where they lived, more than 850,000 Jews were forced to leave their homes in Egypt, Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Yemen, Libya, Morocco, and several other Arab countries in the 20 years that followed the Arab-Israeli war of 1948. Another major forced migration took place from Iran in 1979–80, following the Iranian Revolution and the collapse of the shah’s regime, adding 70,000 more Jewish refugees to this number.

There is ample evidence that this conduct against Jews was orchestrated in tandem as a joint effort of all the involved Arab countries. Among the events preceding the expulsion were: (a) The drafting of a Law by the Political Committee of the Arab League that recommended a coordinated strategy of repressive measures against Jews; (b) strikingly similar legislation and discriminatory decrees, enacted by numerous Arab governments, that violated the fundamental rights and freedoms of Jews resident in Arab countries; (c) statements made by delegates of Arab countries at the U.N. during the debate on the ‘Partition Resolution’, representing a pattern of ominous threats made against Jews in Arab countries; and (d) newspaper reports from that period.

In 1947, the Political Committee of the Arab League (League of Arab States) drafted a law that was to govern the legal status of Jewish residents in all of its member states. This Draft Law of the Arab League provided that “...all Jews – with the exception of citizens of non-Arab countries – were to be considered members of the Jewish ‘minority state of Palestine’; that their bank accounts would be frozen and used to finance resistance to ‘Zionist ambitions in Palestine; Jews believed to be active Zionists would be interned as political prisoners and their assets confiscated; only Jews who accept active service in Arab armies or place themselves at the disposal of these armies would be considered ‘Arabs.”

In the international arena, Arab diplomats pretended to ignore the Arab League’s collusion in encouraging state-sanctioned discrimination against Jews in all its member states, seeking publicly to attribute blame the Arab “masses” - and even the United Nations itself - for any danger facing the Jews across the region. This covert move was part of the Arab states’ attempt to divert attention from the official discriminatory practices of their governments against the Jewish citizens.

In a key address to the Political Committee of the U.N. General Assembly on the morning of November 24, 1947, just five days before that body voted on the partition plan for Palestine, Egyptian delegate Heykal Pasha declared: “The United Nations ... should not lose sight of the fact that the proposed solution might endanger a million Jews living in the Moslem countries. ... If the United Nations decided to partition Palestine they might be responsible for very grave disorders and for the massacre of a large number of Jews.

On 28 November 1947, at the 126th Plenary Meeting of the UN General Assembly, Iraq's Foreign Minister Fadil Jamali warned further: "Not only the uprising of the Arabs in Palestine is to be expected but the masses in the Arab world cannot be restrained. The Arab-Jewish relationship in the Arab world will greatly deteriorate.”

On 16 May 1948, the New York Times ran an article headlined, "Jews in Grave Danger in all Muslim Lands: Nine Hundred Thousand in Africa and Asia face wrath of their foes."

As a Jew of Egyptian descent, this was the story of my family. My parents and grandparents were forced to flee Egypt in 1957, leaving everything they possessed behind, to start a new life in a country they didn’t know – Brazil – with a language they didn’t speak - Portuguese. All of their assets were plundered and as of today, nothing that remained of their lives in Cairo has ever been recovered. Still, from this expulsion emerged a new generation of Brazilian Jewish families that were raised in São Paulo and are very grateful to have been adopted by this diverse and welcoming country.

In spite of this history, the events of the past few months have brought about a new horizon of hope regarding this complicated relationship between Jews and Arab countries. With the recent news regarding the peace agreements between the United Arab Emirates, Bahrain and Sudan* with the State of Israel, - known as the Abraham Accords - a new era of reconciliation appears to be rising for Muslims and Jews.

May this new era herald real peace between Arab countries and Israel. But at the same time, it is imperative that the preservation of the story of the Jews from Arab lands not be forgotten, and that the citizens of those countries learn what happened in the lands where they live. In order to avoid history repeating itself, it is of utmost importance that we strive to learn and understand the past.

*Since this article was originally published the Kingdom of Morocco also joined the Abraham Accords.
 
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JKD

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Nothing has inspired me to be supportive of Israel more than assholes such as yourself threatening to threaten Jews unless we distance ourselves. You obediently ignore this fact: Hamas defines itself as seeking the destruction of Jews everywhere (ie genocide). On October 7 2023 Hamas' words were matched by its deeds. I choose to see this for what it is.



Here's an Israeli Palestinian Christian who was Justice of the Supreme Court of Israel and who convicted the President of Israel of the crime of rape. Seems to me this is a far different tune from the song you're singing.


There are many Israeli Palestinians who exist at the highest levels of academics, culture, and public service in Israel. IMO it is dishonorable for one to say the condition of Palestinians who live under Israeli law is remotely comparable to Aryanization in Germany or Apartheid in South Africa.


Here is an oft-forgotten verse, while we're at it. Herman mentioned this some time ago, and pointed out that the so-called pro-Palestinian left activists obediently ignore these facts, too.

The expulsion of Jews from Arab countries and Iran – an untold history​

02 Feb 2021

The expulsion of Jews from Arab countries and Iran – an untold history


This op-ed was written by WJC Jewish Diplomatic Corps member Andrea Mifano, was orginally published on the Brazilian Jewish news website Kadima in Portuguese on 3 December 2020.

Until the 1960s, approximately one million Jews lived in Iran and other Arab countries having arrived in the region more than 2,000 years before. Nowadays, it is estimated that only around 15,000 remain, as the majority of the Jewish population in Muslim lands were forced to flee their homes in the years following the establishment of the State of Israel. This mass expulsion and exodus is part of modern history, but inexplicably, it’s neither taught at schools nor remembered within the context of the conflicts in the Middle East.

For over 2,500 years, Jews lived continuously in North Africa, the Middle East and the Gulf region the first Jewish population had already settled there at least 1,000 years before the advent of Islam.

Whats app image 2021 02 02 at 5.14.29 pm


The Farḥi family in Cairo, Egypt around 1955. The author’s mother Danielle and her two grandparents Marc Jose Farḥi, his wife Vera.

Throughout the generations, Jews in the region were often subjected to various forms of discrimination -- and in many cases, ranked lower on the status of society than their Muslim compatriots -- but they were nevertheless loyal citizens who contributed significantly to the culture and development of their respective countries.

Despite the positive influence that Jews brought to the places where they lived, more than 850,000 Jews were forced to leave their homes in Egypt, Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Yemen, Libya, Morocco, and several other Arab countries in the 20 years that followed the Arab-Israeli war of 1948. Another major forced migration took place from Iran in 1979–80, following the Iranian Revolution and the collapse of the shah’s regime, adding 70,000 more Jewish refugees to this number.

There is ample evidence that this conduct against Jews was orchestrated in tandem as a joint effort of all the involved Arab countries. Among the events preceding the expulsion were: (a) The drafting of a Law by the Political Committee of the Arab League that recommended a coordinated strategy of repressive measures against Jews; (b) strikingly similar legislation and discriminatory decrees, enacted by numerous Arab governments, that violated the fundamental rights and freedoms of Jews resident in Arab countries; (c) statements made by delegates of Arab countries at the U.N. during the debate on the ‘Partition Resolution’, representing a pattern of ominous threats made against Jews in Arab countries; and (d) newspaper reports from that period.

In 1947, the Political Committee of the Arab League (League of Arab States) drafted a law that was to govern the legal status of Jewish residents in all of its member states. This Draft Law of the Arab League provided that “...all Jews – with the exception of citizens of non-Arab countries – were to be considered members of the Jewish ‘minority state of Palestine’; that their bank accounts would be frozen and used to finance resistance to ‘Zionist ambitions in Palestine; Jews believed to be active Zionists would be interned as political prisoners and their assets confiscated; only Jews who accept active service in Arab armies or place themselves at the disposal of these armies would be considered ‘Arabs.”

In the international arena, Arab diplomats pretended to ignore the Arab League’s collusion in encouraging state-sanctioned discrimination against Jews in all its member states, seeking publicly to attribute blame the Arab “masses” - and even the United Nations itself - for any danger facing the Jews across the region. This covert move was part of the Arab states’ attempt to divert attention from the official discriminatory practices of their governments against the Jewish citizens.

In a key address to the Political Committee of the U.N. General Assembly on the morning of November 24, 1947, just five days before that body voted on the partition plan for Palestine, Egyptian delegate Heykal Pasha declared: “The United Nations ... should not lose sight of the fact that the proposed solution might endanger a million Jews living in the Moslem countries. ... If the United Nations decided to partition Palestine they might be responsible for very grave disorders and for the massacre of a large number of Jews.

On 28 November 1947, at the 126th Plenary Meeting of the UN General Assembly, Iraq's Foreign Minister Fadil Jamali warned further: "Not only the uprising of the Arabs in Palestine is to be expected but the masses in the Arab world cannot be restrained. The Arab-Jewish relationship in the Arab world will greatly deteriorate.”

On 16 May 1948, the New York Times ran an article headlined, "Jews in Grave Danger in all Muslim Lands: Nine Hundred Thousand in Africa and Asia face wrath of their foes."

As a Jew of Egyptian descent, this was the story of my family. My parents and grandparents were forced to flee Egypt in 1957, leaving everything they possessed behind, to start a new life in a country they didn’t know – Brazil – with a language they didn’t speak - Portuguese. All of their assets were plundered and as of today, nothing that remained of their lives in Cairo has ever been recovered. Still, from this expulsion emerged a new generation of Brazilian Jewish families that were raised in São Paulo and are very grateful to have been adopted by this diverse and welcoming country.

In spite of this history, the events of the past few months have brought about a new horizon of hope regarding this complicated relationship between Jews and Arab countries. With the recent news regarding the peace agreements between the United Arab Emirates, Bahrain and Sudan* with the State of Israel, - known as the Abraham Accords - a new era of reconciliation appears to be rising for Muslims and Jews.

May this new era herald real peace between Arab countries and Israel. But at the same time, it is imperative that the preservation of the story of the Jews from Arab lands not be forgotten, and that the citizens of those countries learn what happened in the lands where they live. In order to avoid history repeating itself, it is of utmost importance that we strive to learn and understand the past.

*Since this article was originally published the Kingdom of Morocco also joined the Abraham Accords.
Hi Genghis,

Yes, a direct comparison to Aryanization is an oversimplification, but you will be well aware similar coercions and thefts are occurring, and backed by the State of Israel. Are we at the beginning or the end of a tragedy?

Human Rights Watch, Amnesty International and at least 17 Israeli NGOs have called Israel an Apartheid state based on international legal definitions of apartheid, such as those outlined in the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court and the Apartheid Convention. Several UN Special Rapporteurs on the situation of human rights in the Palestinian territories have used the term “apartheid” to describe Israeli policies. Its usage is not isolated within this thread.

The presence of successful Israeli Palestinians like George Karra does not negate the challenges faced by many Palestinians. While some individuals have achieved high positions, systemic issues such as discrimination and inequality persist for many others. Highlighting individual successes in this way is a tactic that obscures the broader systemic issues that affect the larger population.

This detracts also from the fact that Gaza and the West Bank are Palestinian Territories and not (yet) Israel. These people are Palestinian, and not Israeli Palestinian like George Karra. They’re getting bombed and driven from their land. It’s pretty clear they’re enjoying neither equal rights nor opportunities.

Arab (and Persian) nations forcing Jewish people from their lands in response to the creation of the State of Israel is a tragic episode in history. I’m not sure what your angle is with this? Not justification for driving Palestinians from Palestine, surely? Or, is it more akin to the Mufti of Jerusalem post as a distraction showing that Arab peoples do terrible things too? Curiously the Mufti of Jerusalem wasn’t alone in seeking an alliance with Nazi Germany - the Zionist Lehi Group (Stern gang) also sought an alliance. One of their leaders became the 7th Prime Minister of Israel. Can we assume neither of these factions are representative of all of their peoples? I would hope we could.
 
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right

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Regarding post # 16428
Your entire argument is based off of zen squirrel, or bin ladins al jazira.zen squirrel says bla bla bla bla.
You and ass eater have some crazy sources backing up your claims.🤣
 

JKD

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“The commission has always stated that the root cause of the protracted conflict and cycles of violence is the occupation,” Ms. Pillay said, noting that its 2022 report to the General Assembly had concluded that the occupation is unlawful under international law.

Countdown to another US veto.
 

Cannavore

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Regarding post # 16428
Your entire argument is based off of zen squirrel, or bin ladins al jazira.zen squirrel says bla bla bla bla.
You and ass eater have some crazy sources backing up your claims.🤣
buddy half the time im just scrolling twitter from the toilet in the morning reposting stuff i either laugh at or find interesting and the other half i'm posting raw footage/info from journalists that i follow.

but in regards to something specific, like saying israel is committing genocide, you're jumping in hundreds of pages late but here are some of my sources, - rashid khalidi, raz segal, ilan pappe, norman finkelstein, zachary foster, gabor mate, noam chomsky are all academics that support the notion that israel is a genocidal apartheid state that i've cited in here before so i guess you can start from there if you really wanna jump in and demand some authoritative source(s) lol. raz segal for instance is "Associate Professor of Holocaust and Genocide Studies and Endowed Professor in the Study of Modern Genocide at Stockton University, where he also directs the Master of Arts in Holocaust and Genocide Studies program" and here is a link to his "A Textbook Case of Genocide". Dude wrote this six days after Oct 7th lol that's how clear it's been from the start.

https://jewishcurrents.org/a-textbook-case-of-genocide
 

right

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Is
buddy half the time im just scrolling twitter from the toilet in the morning reposting stuff i either laugh at or find interesting and the other half i'm posting raw footage/info from journalists that i follow.

but in regards to something specific, like saying israel is committing genocide, you're jumping in hundreds of pages late but here are some of my sources, - rashid khalidi, raz segal, ilan pappe, norman finkelstein, zachary foster, gabor mate, noam chomsky are all academics that support the notion that israel is a genocidal apartheid state that i've cited in here before so i guess you can start from there if you really wanna jump in and demand some authoritative source(s) lol. raz segal for instance is "Associate Professor of Holocaust and Genocide Studies and Endowed Professor in the Study of Modern Genocide at Stockton University, where he also directs the Master of Arts in Holocaust and Genocide Studies program" and here is a link to his "A Textbook Case of Genocide". Dude wrote this six days after Oct 7th lol that's how clear it's been from the start.

https://jewishcurrents.org/a-textbook-case-of-genocide
Isreal is defending itself,and if it doesn't finish the job then the terror will never end.
 

Cannavore

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As are the rites of women, minorities, free elections, etc. I'm not supporting sharia law over democracy, whatever the flaws.
Didn't mean to skip over your post hombre but I support all those things. I also support resistance to occupation and the right to self determination which the Palestinians lack. I want them to hold their own elections and whatnot and not live inside of a blockade.

You're basically asking me to side with Hamas, which would be akin to asking me to side with an organisation like ISIS.
I wouldn't ask you to side with anything lol you have your own choice of course and i'm not necessarily siding with hamas either. there's no other choice for palestinians but resistance through hamas. all other avenues have been blocked. they literally bombed the hamas negotiator then Israel and the US and much of the western media responded by gaslighting, asking why won't Hamas come to the table. This past year has been really disgusting.

I loath fascism and hard line religion equally so no, I'm not choosing sides.
I agree but I also support freedom and autonomy overall which includes freedom from occupation
 

Cannavore

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Is

Isreal is defending itself,and if it doesn't finish the job then the terror will never end.
well i disagree with that. israel is occupying the west bank and gaza for starters. claiming self defense while occupying others doesnt seem legit now does it
 

JKD

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well i disagree with that. israel is occupying the west bank and gaza for starters. claiming self defense while occupying others doesnt seem legit now does it
One thing regarding Hamas as terrorists is learning the origin and history of Netanyahu’s Likud. Founded by Menachem Begin, one of two terrorists who went on to become Israeli Prime Ministers (the other being Yitzhak Shamir), its origins include the Zionist groups Irgun, and Lehi - Terrorists made soldiers and politicians only by the statehood of Israel. They fought (and committed atrocities) to free themselves from what they considered an illegal occupation (by the British).
What might change if Palestine was given full statehood and Palestinians autonomy and support?
 
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Hermanthegerman

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Shabat shalom. The momentum is on Israels side. No matter of life and costs they buying time. In 10 years we have the same conversation, but until then the goverment has to guard the israeli people.
🇺🇦🇮🇱
 

Hermanthegerman

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PS In my case it´s a heart and mind thing, my heart is always with the israeli people, my mind of course not. Fuck the west bank seddlers, Bibbi, his goverment and the religious right winger party.
 

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