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Montuno

...como el Son...
Spaniards, Venezuelans and Americans: crossing half the world to defend Ukraine.

ARA talks to foreign volunteers fighting on the front line against Russia:

Kiev's outskirts are a "mousetrap." "They launch four missiles at us every minute," explains Wahari Urbina, a Venezuelan/Spaniard fighting with Ukraine. Wahari is usually in a hole in the ground, next to Carlos (not his real name), a Hispanic U.S. Marine. A trench less than a kilometer from Russian troops. It is forest whitewashed by snow and scorched by enemy fire. They do everything there, eat -a pot on the fire- and sleep -sometimes in the same hole-. It is the game of cat and mouse. "The Russians advance through the urban areas because they know we don't want to harm civilians," Wahari says. At the moment, he hasn't had a Russian soldier close enough to shoot him and know he's shot him down. Mind you, he doesn't know the casualties caused by everything he shoots. They respond "with fire when there is fire": "It is the Russians who decide to attack". They explain that it is freezing cold and that they are lucky for the food that the neighbors bring them. But they always answer the same thing: "We are trained for that".

They are fighting a war that is not theirs, but they have their reasons for doing so. Wahari's is to return to Venezuela. He arrived in Spain three years ago. He was a marine guard in the Venezuelan army, but he had problems - he can't explain them - and had to flee. So did his six-year-old daughter and his wife. "I have lived through a migration and I fight so that the same thing doesn't happen to Ukrainians." He also fights for democracy to "win in Ukraine" and one day also "return" to his country. "So that my daughter can live." He went to the Ukrainian embassy in Madrid and after a short while he had already been put in a car that took him to the border. There was also Carlos, who came from Florida even though he is of Colombian origin. He is 23 years old and has just finished his contract with the U.S. Marines.

In Lviv there is a recruiting center. There are "all kinds of people from all over the world. There they ask you what you can contribute and you sign a contract that obliges you to stay until the end of the war. "Having three children, I couldn't risk a three-year war," says Jaime (not his real name), who traveled from Spain to Lviv thanks to the embassy and with the aim of enlisting even though he has no military experience. He only wanted to spend six months at the front and come back, but the contract did not guarantee his return. So he decided not to go beyond Lviv.

Jaime's surprise also came when he did not see anywhere the figure of 3,000 euros that, according to some media, they were paid for going to war. Wahari and Carlos have not seen a penny either. And look, once the army knew they were military experts, they were sent to do "specialized missions". Not just anywhere: to Kiev. There they have signed a contract that does not bind them temporarily.

Francisco Floro's goal was to sign this contract. He is Spanish and also contacted the Ukrainian embassy. He has made the trip on his own, leaving Barcelona by plane. At the border he met a French friend. "I made the decision to be with him," he explains, and this has led to an abrupt change of plans: instead of enlisting in Lviv they took a train to Kiev and are now with the "Georgians": "A part of the army where there are also militiamen." In a few days they will go to the front. He, in fact, already has shared experiences with militiamen, since he has been in Syrian Kurdistan fighting alongside the Yazidis, against the Islamic State. Once he arrives at the front he will fight alongside Wahari and Carlos. He plans to write a book.

Francisco explains that there are two ways to go to fight: the embassy, "slower but safer", and joining a militia. One group that makes no secret of its intention to recruit new members is the Azov battalion, which is part of the National Guard. With a neo-Nazi presence, their calls to enlist reach even Spanish Telegram groups where Floro himself was. Also in the group was Jonathan (not his real name), who had opted for the embassy route, but had many legal doubts. Such is Ukraine's insistence, that even a diplomat made a video call to him to tell him that everything was legal. But is it? The Ministry of the Interior and the Ministry of Defense do not have a clear answer and several criminalists consulted by ARA do not see it as criminal. The Ukrainian diplomat who called him, also consulted by this newspaper, did not want to make any assessment.

Armed to the teeth:
The first thing Wahari and Carlos say when they pick up the phone is that Kiev is not occupied by the Russians and that the city is "armored". "It's fortified and full of weapons." They have AT-4 (a Swedish anti-tank weapon), Javelin (a British portable missile), snipers and the submachine guns they always carry: Kalashnikov AK-47 and AK-74 from Ukrainian military, all of Soviet origin. They are only missing more tanks. They have been surprised by the age of the Russians, since many "are 18 years old and are very afraid." "The Russians have lost many men," says Wahari, who adds that many civilians have also lost their lives. They narrate that among the ranks optimism reigns. "We will win this war 100 percent," says Wahari.
But, as in any war, they have experienced live deaths and "many bullet wounds". Still, they emphasize the resilience of the Ukrainian soldiers: "There are 50-year-old [soldiers] who fight like a 20-year-old." In a few hours they will be back in front of the front and warn that they will not be able to answer any messages. The Russians detect them by their cell phones and, on the last day, a missile fell very close to them precisely for this reason: someone had left their smartphone connected to the internet.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/es.ara....01066.amp.html
 

h.h.

Active member
Veteran
Yes - agreed - all of the worlds politicians/despots/dictators and potato's need to stop killing people - ahh - but the Raytheon shareholders won't be able to buy the new Rolls Royce - oh deary me -



New Rolls Royce - Boat-Tail -

Potatoes may kill, but Putin’s taking the lead.
 

Gypsy Nirvana

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''Do not forget the most basic rules, that the first casualty of war is truth and that the only mercy in war is that it ends quickly. Resist attempts to get you to stop thinking''

PETER HITCHENS: I keep telling you that Russia isn't strong. This stupid, brutal war has proved it


By PETER HITCHENS FOR THE MAIL ON SUNDAY

I shall never see it again now but I always loved a particular quiet, modest street in southern Moscow.

For once, there were no gigantic buildings or tower blocks, just low, graceful old houses, trees and churches, especially one movingly called ‘The Consolation of All Sorrows’ which, I expect, is pretty full just now.

There, you could – just – believe that the old, kindly Russia, raped and murdered by Communists, might one day come back. How I wish it could have done.

That belief is all gone now.

Yet for years, I thought I owed that hope to the people I had known and liked in Russia, where I spent two of the most astonishing years of my life.
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Do not forget the most basic rules, that the first casualty of war is truth and that the only mercy in war is that it ends quickly. Resist attempts to get you to stop thinking

Living in a foreign country, especially a remote and exotic nation, is a great gift. For the rest of your life it informs everything else you ever see or feel. I am stuck with that now. I am forced to care about Russia and the Russians.

I don’t ask you to do the same, only to understand that it is, to me, a duty. And if you think, as some spiteful people do, and have said, that I do all this because I am in Russian pay, or a Putin supporter, or because I am not a British patriot, then you are terribly mistaken.

Generations of my family have faced real danger in the Armed Forces. My father (who hated Stalin and all his works) ferried tanks to the Soviet Union on the terrible Murmansk convoys, pausing on the way to help sink a German battlecruiser.

My daughter served with the 1st Battalion of the Grenadier Guards as an Intelligence officer, in a forward base in Helmand, in Afghanistan. Her husband, my son-in-law, fought the Taliban face-to-face and was wounded in combat. I am impossibly proud of them all.
55277929-10606263-image-a-181_1647122423757.jpg

I say what I say about this conflict – especially that Western stupidity helped to bring it about – because I believe it to be true

The truth about patriotism, by the way, is that you feel it far more intensely if you have lived abroad than you do if you have not. And I find the thing about those who have actually faced danger is that they are the least noisy, and the most genuine, about their love of country.

I say what I say about this conflict – especially that Western stupidity helped to bring it about – because I believe it to be true.

I also say it because my forebears fought, among other things, for my freedom to say what is unpopular. So I would be betraying their legacy if I did not use that freedom.

I will not dwell on it. The important thing at the moment is to stand against the wild hysteria that is raging among us.

It is almost funny that music by Peter Tchaikovsky has been removed from a concert because he was Russian. But it is not funny when individual Russians are shunned, as one hears they have been.

It is genuinely tragic when sanctions are imposed which will, as usual, ruin the lives of the poor while doing little to harm powerful villains. And it is deadly serious when unthinking hysteria grips politics and the media.

Too many people think that it is somehow noble and good to call for more war, more weapons and more fighting. Have they seen war? This conflict must end at some point. For those caught up in it, the sooner it ends the better.

I had the bizarre experience last week of being attacked for not being compassionate enough, by one Kelvin Mackenzie, who was the editor of The Sun newspaper during its not-very-compassionate ‘Gotcha’ period. Too many people seem to find war attractive.

More serious still are continuing calls to widen the war with ‘no-fly zones’ and other unhinged follies. If your concern is (as it should be) for the innocent Ukrainian victims of the war, give and do all you can to help them.

But do nothing to extend or prolong war, for the longer and deeper the war is, the more people will die and be maimed.

Do not forget the most basic rules, that the first casualty of war is truth and that the only mercy in war is that it ends quickly. Resist attempts to get you to stop thinking.

Perhaps the single biggest thing we have learned from this attack is that Russia is (as I have long argued) not very big, not very rich and not very strong. Its army cannot achieve its aims.

Putin has, without meaning to, destroyed the Russian bogeyman which we have been told to fear for so long. It would be good if somebody learned something from that, but I don’t suppose they will.

PETER HITCHENS: I keep telling you that Russia isn't strong. This stupid, brutal war has proved it | Daily Mail Online
 

Gypsy Nirvana

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Administrator
Veteran
I guess watching the foreplay was confusing me.

Yes - too much Russian porno - has been proven to have a VERY sticky affect on most Russian porno aficionado's - better try the censored Japanese from now on old bean - eh?
 

h.h.

Active member
Veteran
Yes - too much Russian porno - has been proven to have a VERY sticky affect on most Russian porno aficionado's - better try the censored Japanese from now on old bean - eh?

I just saw putin porn. An attack on the Ukrainians because their leader has less money banked than our fearless ruskie rascal.
 

h.h.

Active member
Veteran
''Do not forget the most basic rules, that the first casualty of war is truth and that the only mercy in war is that it ends quickly. Resist attempts to get you to stop thinking''

PETER HITCHENS: I keep telling you that Russia isn't strong. This stupid, brutal war has proved it


By PETER HITCHENS FOR THE MAIL ON SUNDAY

I shall never see it again now but I always loved a particular quiet, modest street in southern Moscow.

For once, there were no gigantic buildings or tower blocks, just low, graceful old houses, trees and churches, especially one movingly called ‘The Consolation of All Sorrows’ which, I expect, is pretty full just now.

There, you could – just – believe that the old, kindly Russia, raped and murdered by Communists, might one day come back. How I wish it could have done.

That belief is all gone now.

Yet for years, I thought I owed that hope to the people I had known and liked in Russia, where I spent two of the most astonishing years of my life.
55277927-0-image-a-179_1647122400664.jpg


Do not forget the most basic rules, that the first casualty of war is truth and that the only mercy in war is that it ends quickly. Resist attempts to get you to stop thinking

Living in a foreign country, especially a remote and exotic nation, is a great gift. For the rest of your life it informs everything else you ever see or feel. I am stuck with that now. I am forced to care about Russia and the Russians.

I don’t ask you to do the same, only to understand that it is, to me, a duty. And if you think, as some spiteful people do, and have said, that I do all this because I am in Russian pay, or a Putin supporter, or because I am not a British patriot, then you are terribly mistaken.

Generations of my family have faced real danger in the Armed Forces. My father (who hated Stalin and all his works) ferried tanks to the Soviet Union on the terrible Murmansk convoys, pausing on the way to help sink a German battlecruiser.

My daughter served with the 1st Battalion of the Grenadier Guards as an Intelligence officer, in a forward base in Helmand, in Afghanistan. Her husband, my son-in-law, fought the Taliban face-to-face and was wounded in combat. I am impossibly proud of them all.
55277929-10606263-image-a-181_1647122423757.jpg

I say what I say about this conflict – especially that Western stupidity helped to bring it about – because I believe it to be true

The truth about patriotism, by the way, is that you feel it far more intensely if you have lived abroad than you do if you have not. And I find the thing about those who have actually faced danger is that they are the least noisy, and the most genuine, about their love of country.

I say what I say about this conflict – especially that Western stupidity helped to bring it about – because I believe it to be true.

I also say it because my forebears fought, among other things, for my freedom to say what is unpopular. So I would be betraying their legacy if I did not use that freedom.

I will not dwell on it. The important thing at the moment is to stand against the wild hysteria that is raging among us.

It is almost funny that music by Peter Tchaikovsky has been removed from a concert because he was Russian. But it is not funny when individual Russians are shunned, as one hears they have been.

It is genuinely tragic when sanctions are imposed which will, as usual, ruin the lives of the poor while doing little to harm powerful villains. And it is deadly serious when unthinking hysteria grips politics and the media.

Too many people think that it is somehow noble and good to call for more war, more weapons and more fighting. Have they seen war? This conflict must end at some point. For those caught up in it, the sooner it ends the better.

I had the bizarre experience last week of being attacked for not being compassionate enough, by one Kelvin Mackenzie, who was the editor of The Sun newspaper during its not-very-compassionate ‘Gotcha’ period. Too many people seem to find war attractive.

More serious still are continuing calls to widen the war with ‘no-fly zones’ and other unhinged follies. If your concern is (as it should be) for the innocent Ukrainian victims of the war, give and do all you can to help them.

But do nothing to extend or prolong war, for the longer and deeper the war is, the more people will die and be maimed.

Do not forget the most basic rules, that the first casualty of war is truth and that the only mercy in war is that it ends quickly. Resist attempts to get you to stop thinking.

Perhaps the single biggest thing we have learned from this attack is that Russia is (as I have long argued) not very big, not very rich and not very strong. Its army cannot achieve its aims.

Putin has, without meaning to, destroyed the Russian bogeyman which we have been told to fear for so long. It would be good if somebody learned something from that, but I don’t suppose they will.

PETER HITCHENS: I keep telling you that Russia isn't strong. This stupid, brutal war has proved it | Daily Mail Online

Disposed Ukrainians beg to differ, but they can’t.
 

Montuno

...como el Son...
''Do not forget the most basic rules, that the first casualty of war is truth and that the only mercy in war is that it ends quickly. Resist attempts to get you to stop thinking''

PETER HITCHENS: I keep telling you that Russia isn't strong. This stupid, brutal war has proved it


By PETER HITCHENS FOR THE MAIL ON SUNDAY

I shall never see it again now but I always loved a particular quiet, modest street in southern Moscow.

For once, there were no gigantic buildings or tower blocks, just low, graceful old houses, trees and churches, especially one movingly called ‘The Consolation of All Sorrows’ which, I expect, is pretty full just now.

There, you could – just – believe that the old, kindly Russia, raped and murdered by Communists, might one day come back. How I wish it could have done.

That belief is all gone now.

Yet for years, I thought I owed that hope to the people I had known and liked in Russia, where I spent two of the most astonishing years of my life.
55277927-0-image-a-179_1647122400664.jpg


Do not forget the most basic rules, that the first casualty of war is truth and that the only mercy in war is that it ends quickly. Resist attempts to get you to stop thinking

Living in a foreign country, especially a remote and exotic nation, is a great gift. For the rest of your life it informs everything else you ever see or feel. I am stuck with that now. I am forced to care about Russia and the Russians.

I don’t ask you to do the same, only to understand that it is, to me, a duty. And if you think, as some spiteful people do, and have said, that I do all this because I am in Russian pay, or a Putin supporter, or because I am not a British patriot, then you are terribly mistaken.

Generations of my family have faced real danger in the Armed Forces. My father (who hated Stalin and all his works) ferried tanks to the Soviet Union on the terrible Murmansk convoys, pausing on the way to help sink a German battlecruiser.

My daughter served with the 1st Battalion of the Grenadier Guards as an Intelligence officer, in a forward base in Helmand, in Afghanistan. Her husband, my son-in-law, fought the Taliban face-to-face and was wounded in combat. I am impossibly proud of them all.
55277929-10606263-image-a-181_1647122423757.jpg

I say what I say about this conflict – especially that Western stupidity helped to bring it about – because I believe it to be true

The truth about patriotism, by the way, is that you feel it far more intensely if you have lived abroad than you do if you have not. And I find the thing about those who have actually faced danger is that they are the least noisy, and the most genuine, about their love of country.

I say what I say about this conflict – especially that Western stupidity helped to bring it about – because I believe it to be true.

I also say it because my forebears fought, among other things, for my freedom to say what is unpopular. So I would be betraying their legacy if I did not use that freedom.

I will not dwell on it. The important thing at the moment is to stand against the wild hysteria that is raging among us.

It is almost funny that music by Peter Tchaikovsky has been removed from a concert because he was Russian. But it is not funny when individual Russians are shunned, as one hears they have been.

It is genuinely tragic when sanctions are imposed which will, as usual, ruin the lives of the poor while doing little to harm powerful villains. And it is deadly serious when unthinking hysteria grips politics and the media.

Too many people think that it is somehow noble and good to call for more war, more weapons and more fighting. Have they seen war? This conflict must end at some point. For those caught up in it, the sooner it ends the better.

I had the bizarre experience last week of being attacked for not being compassionate enough, by one Kelvin Mackenzie, who was the editor of The Sun newspaper during its not-very-compassionate ‘Gotcha’ period. Too many people seem to find war attractive.

More serious still are continuing calls to widen the war with ‘no-fly zones’ and other unhinged follies. If your concern is (as it should be) for the innocent Ukrainian victims of the war, give and do all you can to help them.

But do nothing to extend or prolong war, for the longer and deeper the war is, the more people will die and be maimed.

Do not forget the most basic rules, that the first casualty of war is truth and that the only mercy in war is that it ends quickly. Resist attempts to get you to stop thinking.

Perhaps the single biggest thing we have learned from this attack is that Russia is (as I have long argued) not very big, not very rich and not very strong. Its army cannot achieve its aims.

Putin has, without meaning to, destroyed the Russian bogeyman which we have been told to fear for so long. It would be good if somebody learned something from that, but I don’t suppose they will.

PETER HITCHENS: I keep telling you that Russia isn't strong. This stupid, brutal war has proved it | Daily Mail Online

But if the guy is a contradiction with a beard:
he criticizes this war for being "provoked by the West" and says that it is a mistake to help Ukraine to prolong it because of the extra suffering among the people....
But then he is very proud of the role of his relatives who fought against the Taliban in Afghanistan (as if it had not been the USA who armed and trained the Taliban and Bin Laden, and all war effort had not been, according to his thinking, an extension of human suffering and the number of dead, because the Taliban ended up winning).
It also reminds me of the UK, France and US policy of prohibiting the sale of their weapons to the II Spanish Republic, in the face of the attempted fascist coup d'etat, and the subsequent German and Italian invasion to support the Spanish fascists when their coup failed. But, of course, I'm sure this guy is one of those who wield "Homage to Catalonia", "Animal Farm" and "1984" as magical support for his ideas.
 

JKD

Well-known member
Veteran


Where did Zelensky get the $1.6bn in his bank account? It’s a lot of money for a comedian. - YouTube

Hmmm - he must have made the whole world crack-up with laughter - and got paid a fortune for it?

Maybe something to do with this file? - ):
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...310-WA0000.mp4

- allowing all of these biolabs? <BIO-LABS? - what bio-labs? - Shhhhhhhh! - ducks and covers under the table>

https://www.celebritynetworth.com/richest-politicians/presidents/volodymyr-zelenskyy-net-worth/
 
I wonder if the Ukranian refugees heading to the UK will have to get in the que at calais with all the others, or if they'll get a FastPass past the ones with brown faces?
 

mexcurandero420

See the world through a puff of smoke
Veteran
I wonder if the Ukranian refugees heading to the UK will have to get in the que at calais with all the others, or if they'll get a FastPass past the ones with brown faces?

The EU had that to decide first together while enjoying at the table with caviar, fried pheasant, good wine in a large room with gold on the ceiling etc
 

Montuno

...como el Son...
I wonder if the Ukranian refugees heading to the UK will have to get in the que at calais with all the others, or if they'll get a FastPass past the ones with brown faces?

Right now, at the end of the border fences of the Spanish autonomous North-African cities with Morocco:

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mexcurandero420

See the world through a puff of smoke
Veteran
Meanwhile in Ukraine detonating a bomb, but why put a cloth on the markings?
 

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JKD

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Meanwhile in Ukraine detonating a bomb, but why put a cloth on the markings?

If there’s a tv crew right there filming, and no-one is in protective gear, my assumption would be that it’s a training exercise at most. Maybe a bit of Ukraine propaganda - even with the winter there I would have thought there may be more of an impact mark in the ground from it hitting at terminal velocity.
 
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