War

[moose eater]

in practical terms, (as Stalin responded to the Pope) "the Pope? how many divisions does he have?" or as Andrew Jackson allegedly said (in re Supreme Court) "well, John Marshall has made his decision, now let him enforce it."

There's currently predictions in Israel and elsewhere that if Bibi loses the election, he may be going to prison. And he's already been (previously) convicted of terrorism toward Palestinians in an Israeli court, years ago. Certainly, Defense Minister Ben Gvir has been convicted of the same.

Like Trump, being able to insulate himself from the courts at this point is desirable in his eyes, I'm sure, especially in light of the previous recommendations by Israeli Police that he be charged with corruption and related crimes.

 

[GenghisKush]

Hamas Leaders Stick to Hard Line on Gaza Talks​

With negotiations stalled, a senior Hamas official said in an interview that the group continues to insist Israel permanently halt the war​

Palestinians on Saturday walked away with some items salvaged from the rubble of a residential building hit in an Israeli airstrike in Rafah. SAID KHATIB/AGENCE FRANCE-PRESSE/GETTY IMAGES

By Benoit Faucon in Doha, Qatar, Summer Said in Cairo and Omar Abdel-Baqui in Dubai
Updated March 9, 2024 1:02 pm ET

Hamas is sticking to demands for a permanent end to the Gaza war, a senior political official in the militant group said, showing that wide gaps with Israel remain as negotiators prepare to resume truce talks.

Unyielding positions by Israel and Hamas have caused negotiations to stall. Arab negotiators are meeting Sunday and planning to push for a much shorter cease-fire than discussed before—a two-day pause in fighting at the start of the Islamic holy month of Ramadan, which is set to begin either Monday or Tuesday.
The senior Hamas official, Husam Badran, warned that unrest would escalate in the West Bank and Jerusalem without a deal and said that his group was ready to keep negotiating.

“We didn’t declare negotiations have been stopped. We are the party most keen to stop this war,” Badran, a member of Hamas’s political bureau, said in an interview Saturday with The Wall Street Journal.
Badran, who was speaking at the group’s offices in Doha, Qatar, listed Hamas’s conditions, including a permanent cease-fire, allowing displaced civilians to return to their homes in northern Gaza, allowing sufficient aid to flow through all crossings, a plan to rebuild Gaza, and a withdrawal of the Israeli military from the enclave.

A Palestinian woman in a damaged building hit by an Israeli airstrike in Rafah. PHOTO: SAID KHATIB/AGENCE FRANCE-PRESSE/GETTY IMAGES

Israel has said its priority in the talks is to secure the release of dozens of hostages captured during the Oct. 7 Hamas-led attacks. Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has said Israeli negotiators are facing a “brick wall of delusional, unrealistic Hamas demands.”

The race to forge a deal that halts the fighting in the Gaza Strip comes at a critical time as Israel has said that it would begin an offensive in Rafah—where over a million Palestinians are sheltering and where Israel says Hamas leaders are hiding—during Ramadan. Ramadan, a month of fasting, prayer and reflection for observant Muslims, can also be a time of heightened tensions in Jerusalem as tens of thousands of Palestinians, facing movement restrictions, seek access to holy sites that are under tight Israeli security control.

Arab mediators are trying to salvage a proposal that involved a 40-day cease-fire and the release of around 40 hostages.

Badran said discussions on a swap of Israeli hostages for Palestinian prisoners had taken a back seat to questions of how to relieve the humanitarian situation and end the fighting. He said at least 60 hostages taken from Israel had died in captivity, a figure slightly higher than the estimated 50 dead provided by private Israeli assessments, which the Journal reported on last month.

Israel has suggested it will send its forces into Rafah during Ramadan. PHOTO: HAITHAM IMAD/SHUTTERSTOCK

Arab mediators say Hamas refused Israel’s request for a list of living hostages. Israel has said Hamas has ignored its requests to provide a list of living hostages the group would be willing to exchange as part of a deal. Badran denied that, saying there had been no official Israeli request for such a list. He said many of the prisoners are held by other factions, including Palestinian Islamic Jihad, making them harder to locate.
The talks, mediated by Egypt, Qatar and the U.S., ran for four days this week. They are expected to resume in Cairo on Sunday, Egyptian officials said. Badran said Hamas’s political leadership in Doha was meeting Saturday afternoon to discuss the negotiations.

Asked by reporters Friday about the prospect of a pause in fighting between Israel and Hamas by Ramadan, President Biden said, “It’s looking tough.”

Badran said he didn’t trust the U.S. could be an honest broker, given Washington’s robust support for Israel, and said the group had better chances on mediation from European countries including France. “They are trying to be more objective,” he said of France.

He blamed Netanyahu for the failure of the talks so far. “The only complication in the negotiations is Netanyahu’s stance, who refuses to deal with anything on the table,” he said. “Netanyahu is the most dangerous [person] for the stability of this region. He is the fire starter.”

Displaced Palestinians in Rafah, in the southern Gaza Strip. PHOTO: MOHAMMED SALEM/REUTERS

Relatives of Palestinians killed in Gaza collect their bodies from a hospital morgue. PHOTO: ALI HAMAD/ZUMA PRESS

Delegations from Israel and Hamas were invited to Cairo, but Egyptian officials said Netanyahu’s hard line has given Israeli mediators little room for maneuver.

Egyptian officials said they had hoped to resume talks Saturday but that neither side had been cooperative.
Badran said that at a meeting last week in Moscow, Hamas and other Palestinian factions, including secular politicians and PIJ, had agreed to “expand operations against the occupation in the West Bank and Jerusalem.”

He said that a lack of progress in the talks would lead to more unrest beyond Gaza during Ramadan.
“The genocide in Gaza could open a new arena with conflict in the West Bank,” he said, citing the sizable death toll and arrests of Palestinians there since the beginning of the Israel-Hamas war. Israel has rejected that its actions in Gaza are genocide. Continuing the war would weaken stability in the region, Badran said.

On Thursday, Hamas said it was pausing its participation in talks aimed at securing a cease-fire in Gaza, after Yahya Sinwar, the Hamas chief in Gaza who has led the group’s fight against Israel, emerged from days of silence to issue a hardened stance.

Sinwar, who had been largely disengaged from the talks until recently, is demanding that Israel commit to discussing a permanent halt in the fighting, putting him at odds with other Hamas leaders, according to officials familiar with the discussions.

Badran denied any division within the group and said it was united in wanting a permanent end to the fighting. He said a proposal for a six-week cease-fire instead of a permanent one had come from the U.S.
Arab and Israeli officials say they fear that Sinwar is deliberately undermining the talks in the hope that Ramadan will galvanize popular Arab support for Hamas, leading to an escalation of tensions in the West Bank and Jerusalem.

“Hamas is doubling down on its position, uninterested in a deal, and seeks to inflame the region during Ramadan,” the Israeli prime minister’s office said. “Cooperation with the mediators is continuing all the time in an effort to bridge the gaps and promote agreements.”

Qatar has threatened to expel Hamas officials from their base in Doha should they fail to persuade the group’s Gaza-based leaders to agree to a deal, according to a Hamas official and Egyptian officials. Badran denied such a threat had been made.

Sinwar believes Hamas currently has the upper hand in negotiations, Egyptian officials say, citing internal political divisions within Israel, including cracks in Netanyahu’s wartime government and mounting U.S. pressure on Israel to do more to alleviate the suffering of Gazans.

U.S. planes dropped aid over the Gaza Strip on Saturday. PHOTO: MOHAMMED HAJJAR/ASSOCIATED PRESS

U.S. officials have expressed frustration with Israel over the deteriorating humanitarian conditions in the besieged Gaza Strip. The U.S. began airdropping food into the enclave last week to circumvent restrictions on getting aid in by ground, and after an aid mission overseen by Israel last week turned deadly.

But airdrops can only cover a fraction of the growing needs. The risks of airdropping aid were seen Friday when five Palestinians were killed after the parachute of an airdrop failed to open and at least one aid parcel fell on them, Gaza officials said. A U.S. defense official said the deaths weren’t caused by American airdrops.

On Thursday, Biden said he directed the U.S. military to build a temporary pier off the coast of Gaza for cargo ships to deliver aid. The project will take time to scale up and once ashore, aid could face the same challenges of safe distribution faced by truck convoys.

—Anat Peled in Tel Aviv contributed to this article.

Write to Benoit Faucon at [email protected], Summer Said at [email protected] and Omar Abdel-Baqui at [email protected]

 

[armedoldhippy]

My smoking pot doesn't deprive others of their lives, homes, or family.

not my point, and i think you knew that. who gives a FF what a court might say if they cannot enforce their judgements ? THAT...is my point.

 

[armedoldhippy]

There's currently predictions in Israel and elsewhere that if Bibi loses the election, he may be going to prison

the SOB should have been in jail long before for his previous offenses. this is the exact thing i have been saying about The Chump. this is NOT his first damn rodeo, just his most recent. we are looking at a nearly identical scenario now as Israel is currently dealing with. only WE still have a chance to avoid having our very own Il Duce/Putin/Orban sending edicts from on high to his Brownshirts in the streets ...

 

[igrowone]

the SOB should have been in jail long before for his previous offenses. this is the exact thing i have been saying about The Chump. this is NOT his first damn rodeo, just his most recent. we are looking at a nearly identical scenario now as Israel is currently dealing with. only WE still have a chance to avoid having our very own Il Duce/Putin/Orban sending edicts from on high to his Brownshirts in the streets ...

 

[moose eater]

not my point, and i think you knew that. who gives a FF what a court might say if they cannot enforce their judgements ? THAT...is my point.

It wasn't clear to me that was the point. I saw 2 very different levels of consequence, and though in both scenarios there's people who experience reactions to others violations of those laws, I suspect the reactions among most people are somewhat more serious re. Bibi and Company's (to include Joe Biden and the State Dept./CIA) perpetuating the deaths and thefts in Gaza. In that regard, many people do, indeed, give a flying fuck.

Given an opportunity, I'd happily grease some of these cretins myself just to make the Universe a bit more attractive and just.

 

[moose eater]

the SOB should have been in jail long before for his previous offenses. this is the exact thing i have been saying about The Chump. this is NOT his first damn rodeo, just his most recent. we are looking at a nearly identical scenario now as Israel is currently dealing with. only WE still have a chance to avoid having our very own Il Duce/Putin/Orban sending edicts from on high to his Brownshirts in the streets ...

Trump doesn't have anywhere near the support in this Country for the heinous sorts of behavior that many Zionist Nationalist fascist peons have been propagandized for decades and decades into accepting as normal in Israel. Apples and oranges.

Trump serves Trump and his ego, and has nowhere near the methodical or calculated ability for the kind of carnage Netanyahu has shown himself to be capable of.

And I strongly suspect that if Trump tried to implement similar levels of heinousness here, he'd either have his head prominently displayed on a pikes pole in front of the White House lawn, or maybe end up like Mussolini did, inverted, strung up by concertina wire in town square, with his driver and concubine, all of them slashed and bleeding out over time as people threw fruit and spit their way. I still have historic photos of Mussolini's fate. Karma.

Murderous zealots have a history of meeting untimely fates in painful circumstances, and I tend to celebrate when they do.

But again, Trump lacks the kind of support/numbers necessary to implement anything remotely close to what Bibi has helped to bring about. The hardcore militant MAGAts comprise far less than 10% of the voters, and that's before sorting out those loud-mouthed pussies from their ranks who are more blustering bullshit than real stamina or courage.

And Joe's hands are already red with blood for his 2-faced approach to capitulating to the CIA's global wish list as they facilitate genocide in Palestine..

 

[G.O. Joe]

Regardless of the 'yahu's legal problems, if you believe that the actions of Hamas were quite deliberately incited in a long plan which may be called "the final solution", he's just playing his bit part and could be replaced by anyone. Maybe the next guy is worse. 68% of Jews in Israel want the Palestinians to starve.

 

[moose eater]

Regardless of the 'yahu's legal problems, if you believe that the actions of Hamas were quite deliberately incited in a long plan which may be called "the final solution", he's just playing his bit part and could be replaced by anyone. Maybe the next guy is worse. 68% of Jews in Israel want the Palestinians to starve.

Part of my point in the comparison of Trump v. Netty. There's nowhere near 68% support for Trump's (lesser lethal) twisted nonsense in this Country. Many who stated in recent polls they'd vote for Trump said they were merely lodging protest votes re. Biden, or "holding their noses" to do so. Far from heart-felt followers or conscripts to a cause were it to get far more radical in ways that might cost serious personal sacrifice.

Re. Netty's legal troubles, yes, many Israelis have long-cultivated ignorance where Palestine and the illegal occupation are concerned.

There may or may not be someone as heinous as Netty standing in line. But again, excesses are often their own undoing... throughout history. The question being how many suffer during that 'correction of course.'

This is where actual enforcement of international law weighs big; set an example for those would-be murdering zealots waiting in the wings to see for themselves. Might help the more squeamish to decide on another career choice..

I suspect that Biden's lip service toward easing suffering in Gaza is born of 2 primary sources; worries about his corporatist war-mongering losing the election for him (and it might and should), and the world slowly turning against Netty's sociopathic demonstration of nationalism, with South Africa now appealing to the UN for physical intervention by UN forces in Gaza in light of Netanyahu's refusal to comply with their last ruling re. Israe's behavior in Gaza.

If Netty thinks Israel can't be affected as a result of his excesses, then I want some of whatever he's smoking... Or maybe I don't.

 

[Zeez]

the SOB should have been in jail long before for his previous offenses. this is the exact thing i have been saying about The Chump. this is NOT his first damn rodeo, just his most recent. we are looking at a nearly identical scenario now as Israel is currently dealing with. only WE still have a chance to avoid having our very own Il Duce/Putin/Orban sending edicts from on high to his Brownshirts in the streets ...

 

[Cannavore]

Hamas Leaders Stick to Hard Line on Gaza Talks​

With negotiations stalled, a senior Hamas official said in an interview that the group continues to insist Israel permanently halt the war​

Palestinians on Saturday walked away with some items salvaged from the rubble of a residential building hit in an Israeli airstrike in Rafah. SAID KHATIB/AGENCE FRANCE-PRESSE/GETTY IMAGES

By Benoit Faucon in Doha, Qatar, Summer Said in Cairo and Omar Abdel-Baqui in Dubai
Updated March 9, 2024 1:02 pm ET

Hamas is sticking to demands for a permanent end to the Gaza war, a senior political official in the militant group said, showing that wide gaps with Israel remain as negotiators prepare to resume truce talks.

Unyielding positions by Israel and Hamas have caused negotiations to stall. Arab negotiators are meeting Sunday and planning to push for a much shorter cease-fire than discussed before—a two-day pause in fighting at the start of the Islamic holy month of Ramadan, which is set to begin either Monday or Tuesday.
The senior Hamas official, Husam Badran, warned that unrest would escalate in the West Bank and Jerusalem without a deal and said that his group was ready to keep negotiating.

“We didn’t declare negotiations have been stopped. We are the party most keen to stop this war,” Badran, a member of Hamas’s political bureau, said in an interview Saturday with The Wall Street Journal.
Badran, who was speaking at the group’s offices in Doha, Qatar, listed Hamas’s conditions, including a permanent cease-fire, allowing displaced civilians to return to their homes in northern Gaza, allowing sufficient aid to flow through all crossings, a plan to rebuild Gaza, and a withdrawal of the Israeli military from the enclave.

A Palestinian woman in a damaged building hit by an Israeli airstrike in Rafah. PHOTO: SAID KHATIB/AGENCE FRANCE-PRESSE/GETTY IMAGES

Israel has said its priority in the talks is to secure the release of dozens of hostages captured during the Oct. 7 Hamas-led attacks. Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has said Israeli negotiators are facing a “brick wall of delusional, unrealistic Hamas demands.”

The race to forge a deal that halts the fighting in the Gaza Strip comes at a critical time as Israel has said that it would begin an offensive in Rafah—where over a million Palestinians are sheltering and where Israel says Hamas leaders are hiding—during Ramadan. Ramadan, a month of fasting, prayer and reflection for observant Muslims, can also be a time of heightened tensions in Jerusalem as tens of thousands of Palestinians, facing movement restrictions, seek access to holy sites that are under tight Israeli security control.

Arab mediators are trying to salvage a proposal that involved a 40-day cease-fire and the release of around 40 hostages.

Badran said discussions on a swap of Israeli hostages for Palestinian prisoners had taken a back seat to questions of how to relieve the humanitarian situation and end the fighting. He said at least 60 hostages taken from Israel had died in captivity, a figure slightly higher than the estimated 50 dead provided by private Israeli assessments, which the Journal reported on last month.

Israel has suggested it will send its forces into Rafah during Ramadan. PHOTO: HAITHAM IMAD/SHUTTERSTOCK

Arab mediators say Hamas refused Israel’s request for a list of living hostages. Israel has said Hamas has ignored its requests to provide a list of living hostages the group would be willing to exchange as part of a deal. Badran denied that, saying there had been no official Israeli request for such a list. He said many of the prisoners are held by other factions, including Palestinian Islamic Jihad, making them harder to locate.
The talks, mediated by Egypt, Qatar and the U.S., ran for four days this week. They are expected to resume in Cairo on Sunday, Egyptian officials said. Badran said Hamas’s political leadership in Doha was meeting Saturday afternoon to discuss the negotiations.

Asked by reporters Friday about the prospect of a pause in fighting between Israel and Hamas by Ramadan, President Biden said, “It’s looking tough.”

Badran said he didn’t trust the U.S. could be an honest broker, given Washington’s robust support for Israel, and said the group had better chances on mediation from European countries including France. “They are trying to be more objective,” he said of France.

He blamed Netanyahu for the failure of the talks so far. “The only complication in the negotiations is Netanyahu’s stance, who refuses to deal with anything on the table,” he said. “Netanyahu is the most dangerous [person] for the stability of this region. He is the fire starter.”

Displaced Palestinians in Rafah, in the southern Gaza Strip. PHOTO: MOHAMMED SALEM/REUTERS

Relatives of Palestinians killed in Gaza collect their bodies from a hospital morgue. PHOTO: ALI HAMAD/ZUMA PRESS

Delegations from Israel and Hamas were invited to Cairo, but Egyptian officials said Netanyahu’s hard line has given Israeli mediators little room for maneuver.

Egyptian officials said they had hoped to resume talks Saturday but that neither side had been cooperative.
Badran said that at a meeting last week in Moscow, Hamas and other Palestinian factions, including secular politicians and PIJ, had agreed to “expand operations against the occupation in the West Bank and Jerusalem.”

He said that a lack of progress in the talks would lead to more unrest beyond Gaza during Ramadan.
“The genocide in Gaza could open a new arena with conflict in the West Bank,” he said, citing the sizable death toll and arrests of Palestinians there since the beginning of the Israel-Hamas war. Israel has rejected that its actions in Gaza are genocide. Continuing the war would weaken stability in the region, Badran said.

On Thursday, Hamas said it was pausing its participation in talks aimed at securing a cease-fire in Gaza, after Yahya Sinwar, the Hamas chief in Gaza who has led the group’s fight against Israel, emerged from days of silence to issue a hardened stance.

Sinwar, who had been largely disengaged from the talks until recently, is demanding that Israel commit to discussing a permanent halt in the fighting, putting him at odds with other Hamas leaders, according to officials familiar with the discussions.

Badran denied any division within the group and said it was united in wanting a permanent end to the fighting. He said a proposal for a six-week cease-fire instead of a permanent one had come from the U.S.
Arab and Israeli officials say they fear that Sinwar is deliberately undermining the talks in the hope that Ramadan will galvanize popular Arab support for Hamas, leading to an escalation of tensions in the West Bank and Jerusalem.

“Hamas is doubling down on its position, uninterested in a deal, and seeks to inflame the region during Ramadan,” the Israeli prime minister’s office said. “Cooperation with the mediators is continuing all the time in an effort to bridge the gaps and promote agreements.”

Qatar has threatened to expel Hamas officials from their base in Doha should they fail to persuade the group’s Gaza-based leaders to agree to a deal, according to a Hamas official and Egyptian officials. Badran denied such a threat had been made.

Sinwar believes Hamas currently has the upper hand in negotiations, Egyptian officials say, citing internal political divisions within Israel, including cracks in Netanyahu’s wartime government and mounting U.S. pressure on Israel to do more to alleviate the suffering of Gazans.

U.S. planes dropped aid over the Gaza Strip on Saturday. PHOTO: MOHAMMED HAJJAR/ASSOCIATED PRESS

U.S. officials have expressed frustration with Israel over the deteriorating humanitarian conditions in the besieged Gaza Strip. The U.S. began airdropping food into the enclave last week to circumvent restrictions on getting aid in by ground, and after an aid mission overseen by Israel last week turned deadly.

But airdrops can only cover a fraction of the growing needs. The risks of airdropping aid were seen Friday when five Palestinians were killed after the parachute of an airdrop failed to open and at least one aid parcel fell on them, Gaza officials said. A U.S. defense official said the deaths weren’t caused by American airdrops.

On Thursday, Biden said he directed the U.S. military to build a temporary pier off the coast of Gaza for cargo ships to deliver aid. The project will take time to scale up and once ashore, aid could face the same challenges of safe distribution faced by truck convoys.

—Anat Peled in Tel Aviv contributed to this article.

Write to Benoit Faucon at [email protected], Summer Said at [email protected] and Omar Abdel-Baqui at [email protected]

anything other than permanent ceasefire is theatrics

 

[Chi13]

Since when do Hamas want lasting peace and basic human rights? Since coming to power there have been no elections and they have disarmed and killed any opposition. Their STATED aim is to kill every Israeli citizen.

 

[armedoldhippy]

Since when do Hamas want lasting peace and basic human rights? Since coming to power there have been no elections and they have disarmed and killed any opposition. Their STATED aim is to kill every Israeli citizen.

if Hamas wants a permanent cease-fire, then i guess they are going to give up their weapons & attacks too....right? no more rockets, no mortar shells falling, nobody getting cut with knives ...this has got to go both ways, or that dog aint gonna hunt. they HAD a chance for a two-state solution and turned it down. waiting for "perfect" means you'll never get "pretty good".

 

[So Hai]

Just like the Germans who stood by and did nothing when the Jews were being loaded onto railway cars, because the rumors of what was really happening couldn't possibly be true.

Regardless how one consider the idea that the germans stood by and did nothing when it came to jews, we can note the difference in standing by doing nothing among bizarre rumors with the open celebration of genocide displayed by the occupation of Palestine.

Here is a great resource with 4500+ articles about zionism.

Zionism - History, Background, Apartheid - Radio Islam

Information about the ongoing Zionist war waged against the peoples of Palestine and the Middle East, and Zionism's totalitarian and racist backgrounds.

islam-radio.net

 

[So Hai]

Since when do Hamas want lasting peace and basic human rights? Since coming to power there have been no elections and they have disarmed and killed any opposition. Their STATED aim is to kill every Israeli citizen.

Since Israel has created and funded Hamas the question is when did the jewish state and its founders respect basic human rights?

 

[shiva82]

eisenhower starved to death 6 million germans

and hitler was khazarian ashkenazi

everything we are taught in history is made up of fantasy , lies and half truths

nobody knows the truth

historical retribution is just as bad

the ponzi scheme banking and monetary system are what cause , fund , profit from , and create the conflicts and forever wars

 

[So Hai]

Germans did not deliberately starve people do death, inmates starved as a result of disease. But in Soviet the communists starved 7 million ukranians to death in the Holodomor alone.

Why is it symptomatic for communist to defend the genocidal actions of bolshevik jews against russians? Remember that bolshevik revolutionaries are who founded the jewish state.

 

[shiva82]

 

[So Hai]

and hitler was khazarian ashkenazi

This was already explained and debunked, even with the source of propaganda identified as the jewish american oss agent Langer.

 

[So Hai]

Ukranian explains solution to man power problem of their army.