Try to make some sense bud.
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that we know of. it wouldn't be the first time that upper level religious/political leaders played ignorant about what was happening right in front of them with their tacit blessings... "gosh! we were selling guns to the Contras? i had NO idea..."
so? The Chump is QUOTING him these days...i figure the GOP will dig Nixon up & start using him again any day now.
moose eater
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Why that reply?
Shua raised information he states is firsthand knowledge, and you typed a common Yiddish bumper sticker that's often read as pro-Zionist and slamming Palestine?
GenghisKush
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You're personalizing, moose.
moose eater
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No, I was asking.
Was that a demonstration of Yiddish, a common slang phrase with no specific target, or a slam on Palestine?
GenghisKush
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Yiddish is the language of the (German-ish) Jewish diaspora, it is considered a foreign language by Israel, whose official language is Hebrew.
moose eater
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Yes, but the comment is recognized as a common Yiddish bumper sticker.
Translated: "Go Piss In the Sea"
But I assume you knew that. Hence my question.
not so from what I observed
GenghisKush
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"Go shit in the ocean."
PALESTINIAN YIDDISH: A LOOK AT YIDDISH IN THE LAND OF ISRAEL BEFORE 1948
Prayer at the Western Wall, Jerusalem, c. 1900. YIVO Archives.
Sephardic, Ashkenazi, and Mizrahi men in Jerusalem, c. 1900. YIVO Archives.
Founded in 1905, the Herzliya Gymnasia was the first Hebrew language high school in Tel Aviv. Considered to be the seat of the new Hebrew culture, it was run by major Zionist ideologues and its students were indoctrinated into the language war between Hebrew and Yiddish. From ‘Tel Aviv,’ by Yehuda Nadivi, Tel Aviv, 1929. YIVO Library.
The “Arabic-Yiddish Teacher” was written by Getsl Zelikovitsh, a Yiddish journalist who had studied Semitics and Egyptology at the Sorbonne. It was the first text created for Yiddish-speaking students of Arabic. ‘Arabish-idisher lerer,’ by Getsl Zelikovitsh, New York, 1918. YIVO Library.
Wounded Yiddishists after an attack by Hebrew language fanatics, Tel Aviv, 1928. ‘Ilustrirte vokh,’ Warsaw, November 30, 1928. YIVO Library.
On view Fall / Winter 2023
Located at the YIVO Institute for Jewish Research, in the Center for Jewish History in New York City. View visitor information and hours. Questions? Email [email protected] or call (212) 246-6080.
“Yiddish could be heard in the streets of Jerusalem, Tsfat, and Tiberias long before Zionism was even a twinkle in Theodor Herzl’s eye.”
— Eddy Portnoy, YIVO’s Senior Academic Advisor & Director of Exhibitions
Yiddish has been a feature of Jewish life in the Land of Israel for much longer than people think. Prior to the 19th century, Ashkenazim were a tiny minority within the Jewish community in Palestine, which itself comprised a small percentage of the region’s population. There is, however, evidence that Yiddish was spoken in Palestine as early as the 16th century. What’s more, the Ashkenazi community spoke a unique dialect of Yiddish, with many words and phrases absorbed from Arabic, the dominant language in Ottoman-ruled Palestine.
The rise of Zionism in the late 19th century and an increase in Jewish immigration to the Land of Israel brought about a different attitude towards Yiddish. Zionism began developing a new, modern Hebrew culture to replace diaspora Jewish cultures. Hoping to break with the past, early Zionist ideology was very much opposed to Yiddish culture. The new “muscular Judaism” of Zionism was created in contrast to allegedly weak diaspora Jews, who were associated with Yiddish, the most broadly spoken Jewish language worldwide. Some Zionists actively combatted Yiddish through propaganda, protests, and violence, while Zionist Yiddishists created a new type of Palestinian Yiddish literature, examples of which form the core of this exhibit.
So Hai
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Of course they are. It does not negate the fact that marxist-zionism is the foundation of the israeli settler state.
Shua1991
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Define Marxism smart guy, let's give this another go, and don't run this time.
moose eater
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I don't think I (nor many others) have argued that there weren't Jews in Palestine before 1946, or that there are and were divides among the Jews (just as there are among Christians)."Go shit in the ocean."
PALESTINIAN YIDDISH: A LOOK AT YIDDISH IN THE LAND OF ISRAEL BEFORE 1948
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Prayer at the Western Wall, Jerusalem, c. 1900. YIVO Archives.
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Sephardic, Ashkenazi, and Mizrahi men in Jerusalem, c. 1900. YIVO Archives.
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Founded in 1905, the Herzliya Gymnasia was the first Hebrew language high school in Tel Aviv. Considered to be the seat of the new Hebrew culture, it was run by major Zionist ideologues and its students were indoctrinated into the language war between Hebrew and Yiddish. From ‘Tel Aviv,’ by Yehuda Nadivi, Tel Aviv, 1929. YIVO Library.
The “Arabic-Yiddish Teacher” was written by Getsl Zelikovitsh, a Yiddish journalist who had studied Semitics and Egyptology at the Sorbonne. It was the first text created for Yiddish-speaking students of Arabic. ‘Arabish-idisher lerer,’ by Getsl Zelikovitsh, New York, 1918. YIVO Library.
Wounded Yiddishists after an attack by Hebrew language fanatics, Tel Aviv, 1928. ‘Ilustrirte vokh,’ Warsaw, November 30, 1928. YIVO Library.
On view Fall / Winter 2023
Located at the YIVO Institute for Jewish Research, in the Center for Jewish History in New York City. View visitor information and hours. Questions? Email [email protected] or call (212) 246-6080.
“Yiddish could be heard in the streets of Jerusalem, Tsfat, and Tiberias long before Zionism was even a twinkle in Theodor Herzl’s eye.”
— Eddy Portnoy, YIVO’s Senior Academic Advisor & Director of Exhibitions
Yiddish has been a feature of Jewish life in the Land of Israel for much longer than people think. Prior to the 19th century, Ashkenazim were a tiny minority within the Jewish community in Palestine, which itself comprised a small percentage of the region’s population. There is, however, evidence that Yiddish was spoken in Palestine as early as the 16th century. What’s more, the Ashkenazi community spoke a unique dialect of Yiddish, with many words and phrases absorbed from Arabic, the dominant language in Ottoman-ruled Palestine.
The rise of Zionism in the late 19th century and an increase in Jewish immigration to the Land of Israel brought about a different attitude towards Yiddish. Zionism began developing a new, modern Hebrew culture to replace diaspora Jewish cultures. Hoping to break with the past, early Zionist ideology was very much opposed to Yiddish culture. The new “muscular Judaism” of Zionism was created in contrast to allegedly weak diaspora Jews, who were associated with Yiddish, the most broadly spoken Jewish language worldwide. Some Zionists actively combatted Yiddish through propaganda, protests, and violence, while Zionist Yiddishists created a new type of Palestinian Yiddish literature, examples of which form the core of this exhibit.
The difference being that homogeny in that place gave way to international interference in carving up a place and permitting one group to take precedent and rule over another.
When a larger entity/bully, tells another that it's OK to keep their foot on the throat of third party, there'll likely be all sorts of backlash. Just as there now is.
75 years of fermented resentment can carry a grudge for a long time.
BRICS member South Africa takes Zionism to court
Pretoria's genocide case against Israel is crucial, not just to stop Tel Aviv's carnage in Gaza, but to plant the first flag of multipolarism in the globe's courtrooms: this is the first case of many that will seek to halt western impunity and restore international law as envisioned in the UN Charter.
BRICS member South Africa takes Zionism to court
Pretoria's genocide case against Israel is crucial, not just to stop Tel Aviv's carnage in Gaza, but to plant the first flag of multipolarism in the globe's courtrooms: this is the first case of many that will seek to halt western impunity and restore international law as envisioned in the UN...
new.thecradle.co
More than 1,000 organizations support Pretoria's complaint to the ICJ
More than 1,000 popular movements, political parties, trade unions and organizations around the world called on Thursday, countries supporting South Africa's complaint to the International Court of Justice (ICJ) against the Zionist entity for crimes and violations of the 1948 genocide convention, in Gaza."We now urge other countries to strengthen this forcefully and argumented complaint by filing an immediate statement of intervention with the ICJ" they said in a statement.
"Occupation forces have bombed hospitals, homes, United Nations refugee centres, schools, places of worship and evacuation routes, killing and wounding tens of thousands of Palestinians since October 7, 2023. More than half of the dead are women and children" the statement said in a statement.
Citing open statements by Zionist officials expressing their intention to "definitely move Palestinians from their own land" the organizations supported South Africa's claim that "these actions fall under the United Nations Convention for the prevention and suppression of the crime of genocide".
Stressing the urgency of the situation, the press release argues that "the parties to the Genocide Convention have an obligation to prevent genocide".
The press release concludes by stressing that Zionist actions, in particular "killing, injuring, traumatizing and displacing Palestinians while refusing essential resources to an occupied population, meet the criteria for the crime of genocide".
The International Court of Justice ( CIJ ) in The Hague held its inaugural session on Thursday on a genocide complaint presented by South Africa against the Zionist entity.
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outside of the kibbutz style communal settlements which one of you already mentioned, no it's not the "foundation".
yeah, in early zionism there were marxists and socialists who believed they could achieve a socialist jewish state through zionism. most of these people as far as i can see, were in favor of living together with the palestinians. not trying to genocide them lol.
now fast forward out of the 1800's and you will easily find that marxists, socialists, and communists are anti colonialist and have been the leading (non antisemitic) voices against the state of israel for a very long time.
other than some sort of gotcha, what even is the point here? they should have listened to the socialists instead of turning hard right into this weird dystopic ultra nationalist society.
no channel aired the entire deposition against israel from start to finish on the first day on my TV. only in short passing. today was the opposite.
no internet channel did either with the exception of Al Jazeera America and TRT (which i think i posted on the other page)
