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the situation is kinda similar in that 50 years ago - there was this Russian nuclear war threat/cold war going on - and I was 12 years old having to cope with that reality - (duck and cover etc) - and now 50 years later - my son is 12 years old - and has to cope with the same thing - the threat of possibly being vaporized suddenly - due to the stupid geopolitical games of various despots/politicians and bankers - looking to make a profit out of bloody wars - where the blood spilled - is any one else's - but their own -
They do say conflicts happen about once every generation. Must be human nature or something..
 

Microbeman

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Yeah gaiusmarius - if you concentrate too much and for too long on this virtual news-fed world - you start to realize that you are missing real life interaction with real people - and real life interaction is far more entertaining and crucial to a healthy life - than whatever the news services are trying to get us scared of and worked-up about -
That is, if you like real people :cool:
 

Microbeman

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the situation is kinda similar in that 50 years ago - there was this Russian nuclear war threat/cold war going on - and I was 12 years old having to cope with that reality - (duck and cover etc) - and now 50 years later - my son is 12 years old - and has to cope with the same thing - the threat of possibly being vaporized suddenly - due to the stupid geopolitical games of various despots/politicians and bankers - looking to make a profit out of bloody wars - where the blood spilled - is any one else's - but their own -
Too bad nuclear events do not only destroy humans, giving the earth a chance to begin anew. Kinda like an immediate covid.
 

armedoldhippy

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Too bad nuclear events do not only destroy humans, giving the earth a chance to begin anew. Kinda like an immediate covid.
odd that you mention that. :chin: the US developed a nuclear weapon (the neutron bomb) years ago that would kill people but not even destroy the buildings they were in. Russia did not have anything equivalent (they said :shucks:) & claimed that it "would make nuclear war more likely to take place". which convinced many in this country to protest so much that we (allegedly) put our toys away out of a sense of fair play. you reckon we forgot how to make them? lol...:biglaugh:
 

St. Phatty

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Too bad nuclear events do not only destroy humans, giving the earth a chance to begin anew. Kinda like an immediate covid.

The Neutron bomb does that.

Actually they all function around Neutrons, but some bombs do minimal property damage. Just bathe all the nearby humans in a wee too many Neutrons.
 

Cannavore

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Putin is the only one doing the escalating.
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Do you think life will be better under Soviet control?
for who? we live on the other side of the ocean. Americans aren't affected, yet we certainly affect other countries with our foreign policy.

Shall we give in now? Fearing who has the biggest nukes is just giving up and waiting to die.
The Bulletin of Atomic Scientists as of January 2022 has put the Doomsday clock at 100 seconds to midnight. This is the "closest it has ever been to civilization ending nuclear apocalypse".... And this conflict with Ukraine has only served to speed it up further.

Sorry but I'm not interested in WW3 or nuclear war. If that means giving up a part of Ukraine to Russia so be it.
 

armedoldhippy

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Sorry but I'm not interested in WW3 or nuclear war. If that means giving up a part of Ukraine to Russia so be it.
and exactly "how much" of Ukraine (a sovereign nation, which is not yours to "give up") do you think will make uncle Vlad happy? because then he is going to want Estonia, Latvia, & Lithuania too. i mean, why wouldn't he, if WE are gonna step aside and say "fuck 'em, i aint got a dog in this damn fight..." Poland, the Czechs, Hungary maybe? hell, let's give him France too. the Germans took it twice, maybe we should just be all like "finders, keepers, dude..." it would save us a lot of trouble...until they came across the ice & took Canada & thought the Dakotas might be nice, what with their oil and shit.
 

Cannavore

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give up a region of ukraine and pursue diplomatic solutions, or keep arming Ukraine with billions in arms and money and expanding nato to risk nuclear ww3 against russia and china..... seems like a no brainer.
 

armedoldhippy

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give up a region of ukraine and pursue diplomatic solutions, or keep arming Ukraine with billions in arms and money and expanding nato to risk nuclear ww3 against russia and china..... seems like a no brainer.
it would seem that the Ukrainians value their country more... "seems like a no brainer" lol. as long as the wolf is not at YOUR door, you are okay with wolves roaming around in the neighborhood. "and when they came for me, there was no one left to speak for me...":chin: you would be "fun" to play poker with.
 

HempKat

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i'm doing good thanks, just needed a break from all the useless arguing i end up getting sucked into :D

sometimes a break from the daily news feeds and political arguments is just what the doctor ordered, :D

otherwise it always seems to be 1 crisis or the other, sometimes its nice to just focus on real life and forget all the; end of the world bs fed to use day by day, until its time for the next crisis of course.

best regards to you and yours.
I hear you, I reach that point myself sometimes and you just have to bow out for a bit and do something else. Unfortunately that seems to happen more often then not here in Speaker's Corner threads. The topics are usually very engaging and that's what draws me in but then I quickly find myself mired down in a back and forth with just a few people that are all of the same mindset but different from mine. I try to get them to see things my way and they try to get me to see things theirs but we're all so fiercely convinced of our positions it just goes nowhere and then quickly devolves into little more then name calling and insults.

Anyway good to hear it was just you needing a break and not something more serious.
 

h.h.

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for who? we live on the other side of the ocean. Americans aren't affected, yet we certainly affect other countries with our foreign policy.


The Bulletin of Atomic Scientists as of January 2022 has put the Doomsday clock at 100 seconds to midnight. This is the "closest it has ever been to civilization ending nuclear apocalypse".... And this conflict with Ukraine has only served to speed it up further.

Sorry but I'm not interested in WW3 or nuclear war. If that means giving up a part of Ukraine to Russia so be it.
You don’t mind selling out the others.
 

HempKat

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Reasons for hate, real or imagined. Seeing the enemy as less than human. Seeing yourself as being special. It happens in my country during times of peace. There are bad people throughout the world. As some would see it as an excuse for dropping bombs over grandmas head? They don’t care about babies either. For sure they carry the genes of their parents. Baby killers passing stories about molestation to excuse their existence.
Well you may disagree with me but war or no war anyone who rapes an infant or molests an animal is in my opinion less then human and has given up the right to be treated humanely. I really feel the same about all rapists but I kind of give a little more tolerance to stories of rape used in war as a tactic just because the history of that goes so far back and there was, at least in ancient times a reason to it. That reason being the rape victims get pregnant and the offspring are more like the conquerors then the conquered. Or to put it another way it was about replacing the losers with people more like the new rulers. I'm not saying war makes rape okay just less surprising, rape though really is a horrible crime, if you've ever known someone who has been a victim of rape the psychological damage runs very deep and has far reaching unintended consequences for the victim and the victim's family, that the rapist is blissfully ignorant of and likely never even considers.

My first true love became a victim of rape after we had been together for about 4 months. The impact of the rape made her fearful and mistrustful of men and less desiring of intimacy. Eventually it drove us apart. Now had she never been raped, me and her would have likely had a stereotypical High School romance and probably got married some time after High School we probably would have had a couple of kids, a nice home with the white picket fence and two cars in the garage. Me and her would likely have stayed together and celebrated our 50th anniversary sometime in our retirement while our kids grew up to be successful people that we loved and were proud of. None of that ever happened though, me and my girlfriend went our separate ways and lost touch so I have no idea if she ever got over the trauma of her rape to go on and have a normal happy life which she deserved. For me the loss of a relationship I valued sent me down a dark path of drug abuse that ultimately led to my incarceration and the effect of that played a big role in me not finding another good relationship until the woman that became my wife in my 40's. Because we got together so late in life we never had kids, although we did manage to get a nice single family home but with no fence and just a one car garage. About 20 years later my wife's health turned south and she passed during the height of the recent pandemic. I now live alone, have no kids to pass on my genes or to share my life with and since my wife's death caught us unsuspecting or prepared I had to take money ear marked for property taxes (the house is paid off so no escrow account managing that) to help pay for my wife's funeral, which made me unable to pay my property tax on time and so my only home in the world is in jeopardy of being taken from me for a fraction of the value of the home. Being on disability and a fixed income it's a challenge for me to make up the taxes I'm behind on but if I can then I can still save my home. Fortunately there is a government program in my state to help people in my exact situation but so far there has been no answer on if they will help me or not and I should have heard something at least 2 months ago. So I could literally be living out of my car within the next month or so if this program doesn't hurry up and come thru for me.

As for the rapist he was some stranger who my girlfriend never got a good look at due to how the rape went down, so he got away scot free and to the best of my knowledge never suffered any consequences for his actions. For all I know he went on to live a normal life that might have been better then his victim's (my girlfriend) or mine. Now it would be a stretch to blame everything that happened with the woman I did marry, on him but who knows, had we never met and married maybe her life would have turned out differently? I do feel though like I can blame this faceless animal for how my life turned out and more importantly how his victim's life might have turned out (might since I don't really know since we lost touch). It would be safe to say that if she never managed to get over what that rape did to her then she probably didn't have a very happy life. All because some animal couldn't keep his dick in his pants.
 
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h.h.

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Well you may disagree with me but war or no war anyone who rapes an infant or molests an animal is in my opinion less them human and has given up the right to be treated humanely. I really feel the same about all rapists but I kind of give a little more tolerance to stories of rape used in war as a tactic just because the history of that goes so far back and there was, at least in ancient times a reason to it. That reason being the rape victims get pregnant and the offspring are more like the conquerors then the conquered. Or to put it another way it was about replacing the losers with people more like the new rulers. I'm not saying war makes rape okay just less surprising, rape though really is a horrible crime, if you've ever known someone who has been a victim of rape the psychological damage runs very deep and has far reaching unintended consequences for the victim and the victim's family, that the rapist is blissfully ignorant of and likely never even considers.

My first true love became a victim of rape after we had been together for about 4 months. The impact of the rape made her fearful and mistrustful of men and less desiring of intimacy. Eventually it drove us apart. Now had she never been raped, me and her would have likely had a stereotypical High School romance and probably got married some time after High School we probably would have had a couple of kids, a nice home with the white picket fence and two cars in the garage. Me and her would likely have stayed together and celebrated our 50th anniversary sometime in our retirement while our kids grew up to be successful people that we loved and were proud of. None of that ever happened though, me and my girlfriend went our separate ways and lost touch so I have no idea if she ever got over the trauma of her rape to go on and have a normal happy life which she deserved. For me the loss of a relationship I valued sent me down a dark path of drug abuse that ultimately led to my incarceration and the effect of that played a big role in me not finding another good relationship until the woman that became my wife in my 40's. Because we got together so late in life we never had kids, although we did manage to get a nice single family home but with no fence and just a one car garage. About 20 years later my wife's health turned south and she passed during the height of the recent pandemic. I now live alone, have no kids to pass on my genes or to share my life with and since my wife's death caught us unsuspecting or prepared I had to take money ear marked for property taxes (the house is paid off so no escrow account managing that) to help pay for my wife's funeral, which made me unable to pay my property tax on time and so my only home in the world is in jeopardy of being taken from me for a fraction of the value of the home. Being on disability and a fixed income it's a challenge for me to make up the taxes I'm behind on but if I can then I can still save my home. Fortunately there is a government program in my state to help people in my exact situation but so far there has been no answer on if they will help me or not and I should have heard something at least 2 months ago. So I could literally be living out of my car within the next month or so if this program doesn't hurry up and come thru for me.

As for the rapist he was some stranger who my girlfriend never got a good look at due to how the rape went down, so he got away scot free and to the best of my knowledge never suffered any consequences for his actions. For all I know he went on to live a normal life that might have been better then his victim's (my girlfriend) or mine. Now it would be a stretch to blame everything that happened with the woman I did marry, on him but who knows, had we never met and married maybe her life would have turned out differently? I do feel though like I can blame this faceless animal for how my life turned out and more importantly how his victim's life might have turned out (might since I don't really know since we lost touch). It would be safe to say that if she never managed to get over what that rape did to her then she probably didn't have a very happy life. All because some animal couldn't keep his dick in his pants.
Not disagreeing per say. My comment is that rape in its sickest form happens in all countries. I'm sure there's bad Ukrainians, bad Russians, and bad Americans who place themselves above the rest. Even above the babies. Using it for an excuse for killing other babies is surely just as sick. The blame is on the rapist.
 

Switcher56

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the situation is kinda similar in that 50 years ago - there was this Russian nuclear war threat/cold war going on - and I was 12 years old having to cope with that reality - (duck and cover etc) - and now 50 years later - my son is 12 years old - and has to cope with the same thing - the threat of possibly being vaporized suddenly - due to the stupid geopolitical games of various despots/politicians and bankers - looking to make a profit out of bloody wars - where the blood spilled - is any one else's - but their own -
... yup! I once said, conscript the lot... see how eager these politicians would feel having to send their own children into harms way!
 

h.h.

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and exactly "how much" of Ukraine (a sovereign nation, which is not yours to "give up") do you think will make uncle Vlad happy? because then he is going to want Estonia, Latvia, & Lithuania too. i mean, why wouldn't he, if WE are gonna step aside and say "fuck 'em, i aint got a dog in this damn fight..." Poland, the Czechs, Hungary maybe? hell, let's give him France too. the Germans took it twice, maybe we should just be all like "finders, keepers, dude..." it would save us a lot of trouble...until they came across the ice & took Canada & thought the Dakotas might be nice, what with their oil and shi
 

h.h.

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Yeah gaiusmarius - if you concentrate too much and for too long on this virtual news-fed world - you start to realize that you are missing real life interaction with real people - and real life interaction is far more entertaining and crucial to a healthy life - than whatever the news services are trying to get us scared of and worked-up about -
Eyes wide shut. That'll make it go away.
 

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