War

[Montuno]

Nothing wrong with giving a cannabis website a good history lesson

I think I'm going to try to open another thread on Geography, History and Universal Human Culture....:

International Cannagraphic invites you to a walk through the History of Humanity, through its achievements and its miseries, in an attempt to know and celebrate both the branches of diversity that distinguish us in a thousand peoples, as well as the common trunk that makes us one people.

Thread 'Human Geography, History and Universal Art:' https://www.icmag.com/threads/human-geography-history-and-universal-art.18122590/

 

[HempKat]

So what do you think of the latest action's by Putin where he's threatening everyone that does something he doesn't like?

To Ukraine - Don't go attacking any place in Russia or we'll start bombing your cities in the north again. I mean come on it's war, he invaded their country and bombed their cities as well as killed, tortured and raped civilians. Yet he gets all but hurt when they do to Russia just a fraction of what he's done. I mean honestly, he's essentially expecting them to just sit there and take it.

To Sweden and Finland - Don't go joining NATO or we'll have to put you under constant threat of Nuclear attack by placing ICBM's at your borders, which it looks like he's already done even though they're just thinking about joining.

To the West and US - Don't go supplying Ukraine with any more weapons or there might be unexpected consequences. Hey well guess what Putin, there are likely going to be unexpected consequences for your unexpected consequences.

I mean I'm just amazed by all this nonsense war is war and if you start it with others it's going to come right back at you. If you don't want all that trouble then don't start trouble.

 

[h.h.]

I didn’t expect anything less from Putin. You can’t run from a mad dog.

 

[f-e]

Many weeks into this, Russia seem to of realised they can't take the country in one hit. That their goal should of been just pushing forward from a single boarder. They can make a mess of the capital from afar, but feet on the ground isn't happening. They are now moving all their efforts towards this single front idea, and sending in generals that normally formulate plans from behind desks, to go and see the actual state of play. This reassessing the situation is clear. It's now that we also see what they are willing to forget about, and what they really want from this. Their only real goal is a road to the Crimea. The rest was charades.
His coastal road ambitions cut off the Ukraine's biggest port. A huge piece in their economy. They can grow food in their fields again, but their recovery will be difficult if shipping the goods out becomes strained.

I think the Ukraine needs to hit a significant Russian target, near the boarder where the Russians are coming for that port city. The kind of hit that the Russian media can't dampen. Something that word of mouth will soon spread in that area of importance. The people that live there are seeing a road to the Crimea as a nice holiday opportunity, not a war. Their food will be short, but the promise of new lands plenty. The new troops arriving will be segregated from those that have been over the boarder already. Given a rosy picture that needs changing. Russia are amassing in that area for a big push, that's grouping them nicely for a taking a big hit themselves.

 

[Montuno]

Here, different analysts agree in believing and fearing rather than in the use of "small" Russian nuclear weapons, in the use of chemical weapons or in a conventional Russian attack on a Ukrainian nuclear power plant (to trigger nuclear damage and consequences without using this type of weapons).

 

[h.h.]

If we flooded Ukraine with dignitaries and celebrities, the bombing would stop. Putin fears a battle of the minds.

 

[Cannavore]

okay

 

[iTarzan]

If we flooded Ukraine with dignitaries and celebrities, the bombing would stop. Putin fears a battle of the minds.

That is when I would hope the bombing would increase 10 fold. Otherwise I would hope the war would stop now.

 

[h.h.]

okay

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Sounds like a little bit of truth mixed in with a bunch of Russian bullshit.

 

[armedoldhippy]

I didn’t expect anything less from Putin. You can’t run from a mad dog.

rabies is invariably fatal. stay out of reach until he dies...or shoot him. whichever...

 

[HempKat]

The way I see it when you start threatening your enemy and their allies to stop doing what they are doing, that's when you need to step it up even more. The threats only come because whatever the threats try to stop are having an impact. This is also more or less the same advice that several people who used to be part of Putin's inner circle and that have be interviewed by various sources say, they all claim that when Putin makes these threats if the people he directs them at gives in, he just sees that as weakness. The threats he made to Ukraine don't really hold any water, there have been several occasions where Russia agreed to cease fires to evacuate civilians but then broke that agreement for no reason. I'm not buying that he only resumed bombing cities in the north because of a handful of small successful attacks by Ukraine. I believe he was going to resume all along and those successful attacks just happened to occur at a convenient time where he could use them as an excuse.

As for the threats to Finland and Sweden I'm not buying that he is ready and willing to launch nukes on countries that border Russia he just knows the fear of nukes has been a long standing fear in the Balkans, plus he played his hand too soon by moving them into position before either country actually committed to joining NATO, for now all they did was say they were thinking about it. Threats become less effective if you don't give them a chance to do their job. He likely just made the decision to join even easier then he already made it by invading Ukraine.

As for the threats to countries supplying Ukraine what does unexpected circumstances even mean? Does it mean he'll use tactical nukes or chemical weapons? That will give NATO all the incentive they need to go in and shut him down hard and fast. Noes it mean he'll attack or try to intercept those shipments? He's already been doing that. Does it mean he'll resort to cyber attacks? He's already been trying to do that. The only thing I think we should do as far as military aide is just stop talking about it so openly for the media to broadcast to the world.

As for Crimea, I hope Ukraine keeps fighting until they can take it back this whole mess is all because of Russia taking Crimea in the first place. The claims of attempts of Genocide against Russians in the Donbas region was just the continuation of the fight against the "Russian backed Separatists" that helped Russia take Crimea in the first place. Had Crimea never happed then nothing else since then would have happened. This has all bee a slow steady progression towards Putin's stated goal of reforming the old USSR. The whole denazification thing was just a ruse likely built on the general belief that because of WWII Nazis are hated universally. The so called Russian back Separatists are just as much Nazis as anyone in the Azov Battalion and the soldiers in Putin's mercenary force known as the Wagner are as well and I find it more the coincidence that the Wagner group formed in 2014 when all that business with Crimea and Donbas first started. If Putin was so Anti Nazi as we claimed then the Wagner Group would not be considered Putin's personal army and he would have nothing to do with them. All a long the goal was to take all of Ukraine, settling now just for a land bridge to Crimea is just that, settling for now. If that happens Putin will just try for Ukraine again at some other point in time and probably not too far down the road because he'll likely not be around too much longer.

 

[Montuno]

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The TV channel is a private Spanish (I think Juan Sin Miedo might be Spanish, too) national TV channel; the third most watched channel, with a Center-Right ideology, and opposed to Putin and in favor of Ukraine.

The channel of the same company with a more leftist editorial line (also anti-Putin) also broadcasts the news, but qualifying that they are statements of a Ukrainian deputy, and without verification (or rejection, yet) by Newstral, the group associated to the 6th that usually performs the verifications:

Encuentran vídeos de violaciones y orgías con menores en los móviles de combatientes ucranianos

Una diputada ucraniana asegura que los teléfonos móviles de combatientes ucranianos de la unidad Tornado contenían vídeos con violaciones a menores de edad. "Algunos vídeos realmente daban miedo".

www.lasexta.com

 

[h.h.]

The TV channel is a private Spanish (I think Juan Sin Miedo might be Spanish, too) national TV channel; the third most watched channel, with a Center-Right ideology, and opposed to Putin and in favor of Ukraine.

The channel of the same company with a more leftist editorial line (also anti-Putin) also broadcasts the news, but qualifying that they are statements of a Ukrainian deputy, and without verification (or rejection, yet) by Newstral, the group associated to the 6th that usually performs the verifications:

Encuentran vídeos de violaciones y orgías con menores en los móviles de combatientes ucranianos

Una diputada ucraniana asegura que los teléfonos móviles de combatientes ucranianos de la unidad Tornado contenían vídeos con violaciones a menores de edad. "Algunos vídeos realmente daban miedo".

www.lasexta.com

That article could use a lot of citations to substantiate their RT bullshit.

 

[Montuno]

They arrest a Russian soldier who raped a baby and recorded the crime in the Ukraine war​

The man is also accused of sharing multiple videos with child rape records.​

They arrest a Russian soldier who raped a baby and recorded the crime in the Ukraine war Reproduction
By Leandro LuzApril 12, 2022 at 2:43 p.m.
The conflict between Russia and Ukraine generates hundreds of tragic stories every day that reveal the cruelest part of the war between the countries. Russia, from the beginning of the fight, has become the "enemy" of the West by making clear its radical position on the power it exercises in the region and its desire to remain one of the strongest countries when it comes to international politics. . However, this is not an excuse to perpetuate acts of violence against the population that lives the scourge of the conflict.
However, recently the alarms were raised about a case that generates great rejection and indignation in Ukraine and Russia. Russian police arrested last Saturday, April 9, soldier Alexei Bychkov , 24, who is currently accused of raping a baby in the Ukraine war, recording the crime and sharing it on digital platforms.

According to Metro World News Brasil , at first, the young man had shared the video with a friend, but the case gained wide repercussions and generated anger among Internet users. The case draws attention because, in addition to the rape of the baby, Bychkov is accused of sharing multiple videos with records of child rape with his friends. This information was confirmed by the Russian social network VKontakte .

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After the case was known globally, now the authorities seek to verify the veracity of the images. After the analysis, if the fact can be verified, this will be the most recent war crime committed by a Russian soldier. Let us also remember that Alexei Bychkiv was a member of the military unit located in the suburbs of the Russian city of Pskov, near the border with Estonia.

Detienen a soldado ruso que violó a bebé y grabó el crimen en la guerra de Ucrania

El hombre también es acusado de compartir múltiples vídeos con registros de violaciones de niños

www.publimetro.cl

 

[Montuno]

Regiment and the Azov Battalion: from its far-right origins to the Russian accusations​

Often confused with the Azov Battalion, the Azov Regiment has become one of the Ukrainian Army's greatest tools. Its origins in the extreme right are used by the Kremlin to justify a “denazifying” invasion

By Thess Móstoles
We explain it to you
14 April 2022| 5 min read

Russian soldiers in Mariupol. Photo: SEFE/EPA/Sergei Ilnitsky
The Azov Regiment, sometimes mistakenly known as the Azov Battalion, is surrounded by Russian troops in the city of Mariupol. "They are one of the last defenders of Mariúpol, and most of them are going to die," Andreas Umland, an analyst at the Stockholm Center for Eastern European Studies at the Swedish Institute of International Affairs, predicts in conversation with Newtral.es.

Since 2014, and especially since Russia invaded Ukraine in February 2022, the Azov Regiment has been the subject of debate for its far-right origins. Some origins that are used by Russia to justify a supposed strategy to “denazify” Ukraine. Some countries, such as the United States, conditioned for years the shipment of military material so that Azov could not make use of it.

There is much confusion regarding the ideology of this group, as well as that of its members, and debate among scholars as to whether it is appropriate to discuss this issue in the midst of a war. According to the experts consulted at Newtral.es, part of the debate comes from the confusion of three groups under the name of Azov.

The Azov regiment has "a complicated origin"​

There is confusion with three separate but related groups, the Azov Regiment, the Azov Movement and the Azov Battalion, explains Umland. The Azov Battalion has its origins in the 2014 conflict, founded by a "group of young racists" members of other extreme right-wing ideological groups and football hooligans , adds Umland, whose beginnings are included within the volunteer paramilitary groups created during the Maidan Revolution.



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One of them is Andriy Biletsky who in 2010 stated that it was necessary to “lead the white races of the rest of the world in a final crusade…against the inferior races ( Untermenschen ) led by the Semites”, according to The Guardian . Biletsky left the Azov Battalion and ran for election with a far-right party, but lost his seat in the last election.

From the Azov Battalion to the Azov Regiment​

“But the Azov Battalion no longer exists. Now it is one more regiment in the Ukrainian Army”, Anton Shekhovtsov, director of the Center for Democratic Integrity in Austria and an expert in studies of the extreme right in Europe, tells Newtral.es. "The depoliticization process did not happen overnight, it took years," he adds.

After its success defending Mariupol in 2014, the group grew in popularity, not so much because of the ideology of its members, but because of its military successes, great organization, and discipline among its members. People who did not have the same ideology began to join, and were absorbed into the Ministry of Internal Affairs and integrated into the National Guard as the Azov Regiment. At the same time that the regiment was depoliticized, its political branch was created, the Azov Movement, with a marked extreme right-wing ideology, but which has no representation in the Ukrainian Parliament.


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According to experts, no matter how complicated the origin of an organization is, it does not mean that its present continues along the same lines. "In Germany we have the Bundesnachrichtendienst, the secret service, which was created from another group of Nazi officials after the Second World War, and it doesn't occur to anyone today to say that it is a neo-Nazi organization," explains Umland.

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[Montuno]

Far-right cases in the Army are not unique to Ukraine​

Umland explains that although there are still members of the Azov Regiment with neo-Nazi or far-right ideology, it is not unlike the problems that Germany or other countries have had with far-right groups in their army. He recalls that the political group did not obtain representation in the last elections, obtaining around 1% of the vote, much less than what the European extreme right has obtained in other countries such as France, Germany or Spain.

According to this expert, it is a mistake to focus the debate on whether or not there is a far-right ideology among some members of the Azov regiment, which is exactly what Putin is arguing when he says he wants to "denazify" Ukraine. Shekhovtsov adds that although “it cannot be denied that Azov has a complicated history, Russia has exaggerated the problem”.

The Azov Battalion was not the only volunteer group in 2014, in fact, it was not the only far-right group either. Shekhovtsov points out that the members of these groups who committed crimes during the conflict were sentenced by the courts, including the Tornado Battalion, "a quasi-criminal organization, undisciplined, and many of its members ended up in prison." This organization was not absorbed by the state as Azov was, because unlike Tornado, Azov as a group had shown itself to be "disciplined, effective, and organized" during the defense of Mariupol.

The gray lines in the use of symbols​

In a video shared in late February 2022 by the official Ukrainian National Guard account, soldiers from the Azov regiment are shown rubbing their bullets in pork fat before clashing with groups of the Russian army from the Chechen Republic, in mostly Muslims, whom they called "Kadyrov's orcs" (after Chechen leader Ramzan Kadyrov). Acts like this, and the use of symbols that evoke the extreme right, contradict the official view that it is a group without an official ideology.

The organization's own symbol is an overlapping 'N' and 'I' (for National Idea”), which is nearly identical to the German Wolfsangel symbol used by the Nazis during the Third Reich. "It's not that it's similar to the Wolfsangel, let's be clear, it 's the Wolfsangel," says Shekhovtsov.

Shekhovtsov says that he himself used to be in favor of replacing this symbol on the official coat of arms of the Azov regiment. “But you also have to understand it from a military perspective. There are members who have given their lives under that emblem defending Ukraine for years. From a civilian perspective it is not understood, but they say that for them it does not have neo-Nazi connotations, and it means the idea of an independent Ukrainian nation.

Russian was the lingua franca of Azov​

The Russian president tried to justify the invasion of Ukraine by claiming that he wanted to "de-Nazify" the country and protect the Russian-speaking population. Shekhovtsov explains that Putin's accusation that the Azov Regiment wanted to massacre the Russian-speaking population in the east of the country is ridiculous. “Originally the lingua franca of Azov was Russian, and they themselves were Russian-speakers from eastern Ukraine. They would be attacking themselves."

The Azov Regiment is nationalist, but it is made up of soldiers of different origins, like any other military branch, say the two experts consulted. In fact, the Azov Battalion originally had Russians among its ranks.

It was not until after the spring of 2014 that, after defending eastern Ukraine, the group distanced itself from Russia. According to Shekhovtsov, nationalism in Ukraine often differs from that of other countries, "for example, in the UK it is often seen as something negative because of its colonial connotations, but in Ukraine it is more focused on the subsistence and independence of the country, it is not not so much an ethnic concept, but a political one.”

Sources: ​

• Andreas Umland, analyst at the Stockholm Center for Eastern European Studies at the Swedish Institute of International Affairs
• Anton Shekhovtsov, director of the Center for Democratic Integrity in Austria and an expert on far-right studies in Europe.
• Guardian
• Ukrainian National Guard Tweet
• Irregular Militias and Radical Nationalism in Post-Euromaydan Ukraine

Las diferencias entre el Regimiento y el Batallón Azov y sus orígenes de ultraderecha

El Regimiento Azov, antiguamente Batallón Azov, se ha convertido en uno de las mayores herramientas del Ejército de Ucrania. Pero el Kremlin usa sus orígenes en la ultraderecha para justificar una invasión “desnazificadora” de Ucrania.

www.newtral.es

 

[armedoldhippy]

If we flooded Ukraine with dignitaries and celebrities, the bombing would stop. Putin fears a battle of the minds.

worth a try. let's send a bunch of retired politicians & all ex-presidents...

 

[armedoldhippy]

"Far right cases in the army are not unique to Ukraine"- certainly not. we have problems of that type here in the US as well. white supremacists & KKK members in every branch of military. guess we should be doing deep background checks on those wishing to enlist...

 

[Cannavore]

Sounds like a little bit of truth mixed in with a bunch of Russian bullshit.

lol

 

[h.h.]

lol

How a Sleazy American Dating Coach Became a Pro-Putin Shill in Ukraine​

Gonzalo Lira Is a Pro-Putin Shill in Ukraine and a Sleazy Manosphere Dating Coach

He peddled sexist bile and toxic relationship advice within a subculture populated by men’s rights activists and incels—while living in Ukraine. Then the invasion started.

www.thedailybeast.com

Here’s the guy who tells you what to think. In your hatred of your own country, (you didn’t get your pony) you’re pretty gullible.