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armedoldhippy

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If Russia loved their children, they wouldn’t be rapists.

rape has always been a side-effect of war, women suffering from an abundance of independent action by small tightly-knit groups of young men enjoying the closest thing to being Gods that they will ever possess. kids with the power of life & death and no real supervision...
 

Montuno

...como el Son...
THE SPANISH ULTRA-RIGHT OF VOX:

Herman Tertsch: "Zelenski does not know that the iconography of Gernika is pure war propaganda"


5 April 2022 - 7:21 p.m.

Vox MEP Hermann Tertsch has assured that the "iconography of Gernika is pure war propaganda", but that the president of Ukraine, Volodímir Zelenski, "is not to blame" for not knowing it because he was "born in the USSR".
Tertsch has reacted in a tweet to Zelenski's intervention before the Congress of Deputies on Tuesday, where he has compared the Russian attacks in the war in Ukraine with the bombing of the fascist and Nazi army to the city of Gernika in 1937 , which was perpetrated by the Nazi Condor Legion and the Italian Legionary Aviation.

Tertsch's Twitter message is a response to another tweet by Felipe Utrera-Molina, son of José Utrera Molina, Franco's former minister. "Between 150 and 300 people died," he says, although the Government of Euskadi then registered up to 1,654 fatalities in an attack with 31 tons of bombs .
For the MEP from Abascal's party, the Ukrainian leader also does not know that in the fascist attack “they died less than in an attack on any town in Ukraine. He knows about the civil war according to Stalin and our schools”, he added.

https://www.eldiario.es/politica/ult...1_1087967.html


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Clipping from the newspaper Azul, organ of the Spanish Falange de las JONS in which the authorship of the destruction of the town is awarded to the Republican side.

"The fire occurred yesterday and Aguirre (president of the Republic of Euzkadi -sic-) has launched the lie -infamous- because he is a common criminal, of attributing that crime to the heroic and noble aviation of our National Army. prove at all times that the national aviation did not fly because of the fog [...] the Spain reconquered by Franco, serene, calm, free, happy, together with the National Army that defeats the enemy and rebuilds its homeland [...] ] the red hordes murder, martyr, burn, destroy, bring chaos everywhere"

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Franco before Putin: when the propaganda said that the bombing of Gernika was a 'republican fire'
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Francoist headlines denying the bombing of Gernika and images of the destruction of Nazi and fascist aviation allied with Franco
April 5, 2022 8:03 p.m.
Updated on 04/05/2022 20:26h19




The name of Mariúpol will go down in the history of cities devastated by war just like Sarajevo or Gernika did. In the case of this last Basque city, on April 26, 1937 German and Italian planes destroyed it, consummating the first example of 'total war'. The president of Ukraine, Volodímir Zelenski, referred to Gernika today during his telematic speech to the Congress of Deputies : “We are in April 2022, but it seems like April 1937”. The Francoist press did not hesitate then to follow the strategy that the media related to Putin now copy regarding the invasion of Ukraine.

EiTB journalist Dani Álvarez has reproduced press clippings from the time on his Twitter profile. Some, related to Franco: "There was no bombing of Guernica and there was destruction by the reds," said a headline in La Nueva España with the subheading 'Truth Triumphs'; others, telling what really happened, as did The London Times and The New York Times . The telegram that the journalist George Steer sent to The New York Times described the German bomb casings (with military symbols and the inscription Rheindorf 1936), as well as the use of an incendiary substance called 'thermite' that caused a wave of permanent fire during several days in the city.


In 2010, a work by Javier Ortiz Echagüe compiled texts and press clippings with the official version in a work for the Complutense University [ consult here in PDF ]. That study cites how Víctor de la Serna, for example, from the ABC newspaper in Seville, claimed: “it is the separatists who have set fire to Guernica, with a lazy, sacrilegious perversity.”

The practice of blaming the victims of the destruction was common on Franco's coup side during the Civil War and specifically during the so-called 'Battle of the North' and in the cases of the fighting in Irún, Eibar or the bombing of Durango. , prior to Gernika.

Lehendakari José Antonio Aguirre was also in the crosshairs of fascist propaganda: “Aguirre lies! vile lies! [...] There is no German or foreign aviation in national Spain. There is Spanish aviation. Noble and heroic Spanish aviation, which constantly fights with red planes that are Russian and French and driven by foreign aviators”, could be read in the Heraldo de Aragón on April 28, 1937.


Vox considers the official version of the bombing "propaganda"

Along these same lines, this Tuesday in April 2022, Hermann Tertsch, an MEP from the far-right formation Vox , stated on his Twitter profile: “Zelenski, born in the USSR, is not to blame for not knowing that the iconography of Guernica is Pure war propaganda. Nor that in Guernica they died less than in an attack on any town in the Ukraine. He knows about the civil war according to Stalin and our schools”.
Tertsch also accepts the figures on victims of Gernika that Luis Felipe Utrera-Molina, a lawyer for the Franco family and son of José Utrera Molina, Minister and Secretary General of the Movement in the dictatorship of Francisco Franco, has published on Twitter.

As the Gernika Peace Museum recalls , during the bombardment “a minimum of 31 tons of bombs” were dropped. Authorities recorded 1,654 fatalities. The mayor of Gernika, Jose Labauria, stated that more than a thousand people had lost their lives, including 450 in the Andra Mari street shelter. Father Eusebio Arronategi, who, like Labauria, was in Gernika during the bombing and in the days that followed, collaborating in the work of rescuing and identifying the bodies, said that he saw "thousands of his fellow citizens suffocated, dead and wounded."


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Gernika destroyed after the bombings in which the Nazi aviation collaborated

“The urban center of the town (…) was completely destroyed. 85.22% of the buildings -a total of 271- were totally destroyed and the rest partially affected. The incendiary bombs caused a fire that could not be put out for several days. In line with the concept of terror bombing, the weapons factories and the Errenteria bridge, the only strategic objectives of the town, were not bombed”, adds this institution.



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'Gernika' by Sigfrido Koch Bengoechea San Telmo Museum



As for the Marxists in the government of Podemos and Izquierda Unida-Partido Comunista de España (1/3 of the government coalition, together with the 2/3 social democrats of the Partido Socialista Obrero Español), the only criticism of Zelenki's speech was that he had not revoked during his mandate the previous ban on any party with the name "communist" and the symbol of the hammer and sickle:


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December 17, 2015

Ukranie Comunist Party ban decisive blow for freedom of speech in the country :

Banning the Communist Party in Ukraine is a flagrant violation of freedom of expression and association and should be immediately overturned, said Amnesty International.

The District Administrative Court of Kyiv upheld the request of the Ukrainian Minister of Justice to ban the Communist Party. It will no longer be able to officially operate or participate in local elections.

“The banning of the Communist Party in Ukraine sets a very dangerous precedent. This move is propelling Ukraine backwards not forwards on its path to reform and greater respect for human rights,” said John Dalhuisen, Amnesty International’s Director of Europe and Central Asia.
This move is propelling Ukraine backwards not forwards on its path to reform and greater respect for human rights
John Dalhuisen, Amnesty International's Director for Europe and Central Asia​


Under four new laws adopted in May 2015, collectively known as “decommunization” laws, displaying Communist or Nazi symbols can lead to criminal prosecution and up to ten years imprisonment. The use of the term “communist” is explicitly prohibited by this legislation. However, the Communist Party of Ukraine refused to make changes to its name, logo or its charter.

The Ukrainian authorities previously sought to ban the Communist Party last year. Shortly after the end of the EuroMaydan protests in early 2014, the Party was accused of financing pro-Russian separatists in eastern Ukraine. The Security Service of Ukraine claimed it had provided evidence of this to the Ministry of Justice, which then filed a motion to ban the Party in July 2014.

The proceedings never took place because the appointed judge pulled out of the case earlier this year, citing pressure from the authorities who had searched his office and confiscated files relating to the case.

The moves by the Ukrainian authorities to ban the Communist Party solely on account of its name and use of Soviet-era symbols violates the rights to freedom of expression and association and sets a dangerous precedent in Ukrainian political life. In 2015 a spate of politically motivated killings remain unresolved and journalists and media known for criticising the current government have been harassed.

On 16 September the Ukrainian authorities published a list of people banned from entering the country, including dozens of journalists, mostly from Russia.

“Today’s decision may be seen by its proponents as dealing with the damaging vestiges of the Soviet past. In fact, it does exactly the opposite by following the same style of draconian measures used to stifle dissent,” said John Dalhuisen.

“Expressing your opinion without fear of prosecution, particularly if that opinion is contrary to the views held by those in position of power, was one of the principles behind the EuroMaydan protests. Snuffing out the Communist party flies in the face of these ideals.”

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/ne...n-the-country/
 

Montuno

...como el Son...
How many American kids have died for Bankers wars?

And then we also can argued that they were saving their own ?!?

Ain't gonna be shit done about these usurpers. The economy has to crash, Americans need to get real hungry, then maybe they will appreciate a fair and free election. The dims will be screaming "build back better' as they solution to the chaos they sped-up, but didn't fully cause. A NWO solution to America's debt problem will be offerred. Putin is saving his people from the same fate, and the liberal NWO doesn't like it.

Does you know the story of Jesus Christ and the whited sepulchers?

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Three Berries

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Banker wars or wars of choice. Just add it to the means of Population Control by the Globalist/Illuminate/Deep State. Add it to energy depravation, food shortages, pandemics, or outright genocide.
 

VerdantGreen

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UK Article about US Putin lovers:

"US rightwing figures in step with Kremlin over Ukraine disinformation, experts say

"False and conspiratorial narratives pushed by some American conservative politicians and media figures about Russia’s brutal invasion of Ukraine have bolstered and created synergies with the Kremlin’s legendary disinformation machine, experts on information manipulation say.

But even though Russia has embraced and promoted American disinformation, as well as the Kremlin’s own much larger stock of Ukraine war falsehoods, both brands have been widely debunked by experts and most media outlets, underscoring Moscow’s setbacks in the information war."


https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...ing-republicans-russia-ukraine-disinformation
 

flylowgethigh

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Putin lovers? How about liberal NWO haters?

Truth ONLY comes from the NWO puppets on the television, right VG? And WTC 7 came down in sympathy for the two bigger towers. And bats in the Wuhan wet market were the cause of WuFlu.

I don't know about you VG, but I served in the USAF in the cold war, on nuke alert in theater, as an aircrew member. We had volunteered to be in the military, and now I think ours was a suicide mission, we weren't gonna survive after doing our task if they launched us for real. Never talked about that, but we did talk about how the Russian guys doing the same thing would probably be good guys to drink with and have fun. We shared Christian values, were mostly the same race, and their women are beautiful when they are young. We had SR-71s flying from our base and Russian spy trawlers offshore. LAL 007 was also shot down during that time, so it was real.

A guy named Viktor Belenko defected with a Mig-25. Ole Viktor turned out to be a pretty good guy, at least from the Amerikanski viewpoint. His Russian wife and son might disagree.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HiRfMP4AVgI

What do you have against the Russians? Why would you not want to be friendly with them?

Why are liberals so pro-war and pro-government these daze? The world is upside-down.
 
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Montuno

...como el Son...
African expats say Ukraine is racist, but it’s home


Africans who have built their lives in Ukraine over many years reflect on their experiences in their adopted country, and what was waiting for them as they fled to Poland to escape the war.
24 Mar 2022
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1 March 2022: Civilians from Ukraine flee to countries such as Poland to escape the Russian invasion. (Photograph by Beata Zawrzel/ Anadolu Agency via Getty Images)“No matter the country we were from, they put foreigners aside and we couldn’t get on the first train to Lviv,” said Fred Walwasa, 46, who is originally from Zambia but has lived in Kyiv for 23 years and spent 10 years between Russia and Ukraine before that.

He was recalling the distressing hours it took for him to get from the capital Kyiv to the northwestern border with Poland. “They didn’t harass us as happened to other foreigners, but they told us that we cannot go.”

For the journey from Lviv to Przemyśl, the first big town in Poland, non-Ukrainians were put in a separate carriage. “Even [Ukrainian] people married to foreigners and their kids were put in it,” said Walwasa.
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This discrimination, he said, continued at the checkpoint at Przemyśl railway station, where he was held back again. The person who checked his documents seemed not to trust him and let people behind him in the queue through first. “It seems that she was surprised that I am a permanent resident in Ukraine.”

Walwasa first arrived in Moscow in 1989 to study for his preparatory year, which was needed in the former Soviet Union to learn Russian before joining any faculty. He studied economics and got a master’s degree in philosophy in Donetsk, southern Ukraine. In 1999, he finally moved to Kyiv, where he eventually married a Ukrainian woman, had a family and became a builder.

The incidents of racism he and other non-Ukrainian refugees have experienced over the past few weeks are nothing new for Walwasa. Nearly three years ago, a neighbour attacked him with a knife because he was doing some noisy work in their building’s courtyard. Walwasa managed to take the knife away but injured his neighbour’s hand in the process. When the police came, they assaulted Walwasa and handcuffed him. It was intervention by other neighbours that saved him from being arrested.
Adapting to a new country


Walwasa said he chose to stay in Ukraine all this time because he learnt to appreciate what it offered. And, his first impression of the Soviet Union had been positive. “There was no racism back in the 1980s until the fall of the Soviet Union. There was a tendency to keep a good relationship with African countries, especially because Cuba had Black people and it was the Soviet Union’s greatest ally in the West.”

According to Walwasa, international students were taught the Soviet Union’s laws on their arrival. “We were also given advice on how to avoid conflicts with local people and received protection from authorities,” he recalled. “We were told when to go out and where to get food. Then, when the Soviet Union ceased to exist, we were abandoned and things went out of control.”

Local people felt free to express the racism that had been suppressed before. “For any public holiday or football game, I kept off the streets because people can indiscriminately beat you without the police reacting.”
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10 March 2022: At Przemyśl railway station in Poland, Fred Walwasa tells about his 33-year stay in what is now Russia and Ukraine. (Photographs by Alex Cizmic)
Despite the acts of racism that Walwasa had tolerated, he was still shocked by his treatment while fleeing Ukraine. “This is a period of war and when people are in hardship they usually try to help each other,” he said. “Look at Poland. They are offering free transportation and food. This is something that wouldn’t be there in a peaceful time.”

According to the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees, over 3.5 million people have fled Ukraine since Russia invaded it on 24 February and started indiscriminately bombing civilian sites, including hospitals. The war has displaced nearly 10 million people so far and more than 900 Ukrainian civilians are among the dead.

Russian President Vladimir Putin has called the war a “special military operation” and suppressed all forms of dissent inside his country. Independent media have been shut down and a law has been promulgated punishing what the government considers “fake news” about the continuing war, with sentences of up to 15 years in prison.
Welcome and unwelcome


About 2.1 million refugees so far have chosen Poland as either their final destination or their first stop en route to the West. The border most crossed, Medyka-Shehyni, is where thousands of them experience hospitality. They have been able to access necessities that people who have been torn from their homes need: a welcoming smile, food, hot drinks, clothes and information to continue their journey.

Meanwhile, along Poland’s icy northeastern border with Belarus, rejection and violence await migrants from the Middle East. A few thousand people, mainly from Syria, Afghanistan and Iraqi Kurdistan, have been entering the European Union from Belarus since last August seeking a better life. The Belarusian government has allegedly organised asylum seekers’ trips with the promise of a safe passage to the EU in retaliation for sanctions imposed on President Alexander Lukashenko’s regime.
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8 March 2022: Refugees from Ukraine enter Medyka, Poland.
Belarus’ new migration route to the EU led the Polish government to impose a state of emergency, and the few volunteers willing to help the migrants have to act discreetly or hide out of fear of reprisals. At least 19 migrants have died because of the Polish authorities’ hostility, and a wall is under construction along the Belarus border to prevent Middle Eastern migrants from crossing. It will cost €353 million (R5.78 billion) and should be completed by June.

Monika Matus, an activist for the Polish non-governmental organisations network Grupa Granica, wondered how long the solidarity towards Ukrainians would last. “Everyone always wants to help mothers and young children [who represent the majority of the refugees],” she said, frustrated by the sudden awakening of consciousness.

“All these people who are helping now, where have they been? In just over a couple of weeks, Poland welcomed more than one million people with open arms, while further north a horrible racist segregation and discrimination are still going on. This moral double vision is really horrifying.”
Changes in Ukraine


Despite racism permeating the lives of Africans in Ukraine, Falikou Sangare, 36, said the interaction between the local population and Africans was improving. He comes from Ivory Coast and stayed in Ukraine after completing his studies in languages. A private teacher of French, English and Russian, Sangare lives in Dnipro together with his Ukrainian wife and their child.

He recognised that Ukrainians had been trying in the past decade to improve their behaviour towards non-Europeans, in particular Black people, and said he encountered no discrimination during his recent journey fleeing to Poland.

“There is a racist tendency in Ukraine, it’s true,” he said. “But Ukraine, like other countries of the Soviet era, didn’t have any relations with Africa until recently. This means that Ukrainians and Africans know each other too little and badly.
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8 March 2022: In Medyka, Poland, Falikou Sangare, wearing a blue beanie, awaits his turn to get on a bus that will take him to the north of the country.
“In 2012, the wave of the first international students, especially from sub-Saharan Africa, was a shock for Ukrainians,” he recalled. “They made fun of us. When they saw us, they changed direction. Then they got used to it.”

Sangare said Ukraine’s joint hosting of the 2012 Uefa European Championship with Poland and the large influx of international visitors who came to watch the football tournament contributed to changing people’s mentality. “Ukrainians have understood that one must be open-minded because foreigners can bring something new.”

He had tried to improve Ukrainian society through his language lessons, said Sangare. “I have had about a hundred students so far to whom I have passed on some value and have told about myself and my country. They were curious and needed to be explained who we are because they don’t know. People like me who are married to Ukrainians and have mixed children help bring different cultures together.”
More equal than others


Most of those fleeing Ukraine today know with certainty that they will soon be able to find a new home in the EU, or at least temporary shelter until they can return to Ukraine. European governments are helping them and many people from all over the continent are offering them free accommodation in the city they prefer.

But citizens from developing countries who live in Ukraine and have fled, especially Asians and Africans, will very likely face greater difficulties if they want to stay in the EU. The European Council decided to guarantee a temporary protection of one year, renewable up to two years every six months, to Ukrainians fleeing the war. Owing to opposition from Austria, Hungary, Slovakia, the Czech Republic and Poland, however, the procedure for non-Ukrainians will be more complicated and vary from state to state.

Most of the refugees who filled the small waiting rooms of the Przemyśl railway station were aiming to go to Germany. Sangare wanted to go to France. Walwasa looked lost. He didn’t know where to go next and struggled among the volunteers who, having arrived only recently, had no clear answers to give him.
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When Russia attacked Kyiv, Walwasa wasn’t in a hurry to flee. He didn’t want to give up his life and the properties he had bought with a lot of sacrifice. His wife and children were too scared to leave, but he eventually escaped for fear of being called to arms if the conflict continues and fighting men are needed.

Figuring out a plan B in case it wouldn’t be possible to go back to Ukraine anytime soon was also a priority now, but Walwasa said, “Europe [the European Union] is not a dream for me since I have everything I need in Ukraine.”

https://www.newframe.com/african-expats-say-ukraine-is-racist-but-its-home/
 

Three Berries

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No I don't embrace it, I'm just telling you how it is. Personally I would rather nukes were outlawed and everyone who has them were forced to get rid of them, then we wouldn't have to worry about asshats like Putin threatening to use them or what the rest of the world might do in response to his use of them. You on the other hand don't seem to care one bit who Putin decides to indiscriminately nuke you just don't want anyone to retaliate so that only the one's Putin nukes gets screwed over.

When I was in first grade we practiced hiding under the desk incase of a nuclear war. Now they don't even mention it but sure are concerned with kids sex. Or I wonder what an all out nuclear war would do to the CO2 or sea levels??????

I don't care what the reason. To retaliate is suicide, insanity. The don't call it MAD for nothing. There is no more paramount question for today. Mankind is being brought to the Precipice of the extinction of Mankind, on purpose. But there is two forks in the road ahead.

Some theorize that this is the point mankind has been at before and blew it all up, only to start the whole thing over again every 4 or 5 billion years......
 

flylowgethigh

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Montuno's 'related article' has a byline about what I have been saying about Putin putting the kybosh on the liberal NWO, with a smack upside the head with hard commodities.

'History has run off the groove of the ‘liberal world order’ and on to a new trajectory...'
 

audiohi

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When I was in first grade we practiced hiding under the desk incase of a nuclear war. Now they don't even mention it but sure are concerned with kids sex.

Kids are too busy practicing for the next school shooting to practice hiding from nuclear war.

How many nuclear wars did you survive by practicing under your desk?

You learned valuable lessons back then.
 

med4u

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Also a comment on the montuno post....

Is this a diatribe of the periless plight of the blacks who were welcomed into Ukraine
And made it possible to pursue an education,
career,and a family for 23 odd years and become citizens of their host country...

And are now abandoning that country so they
Don't have to fight for the very nation that made it possible....
not just country but have abandon their wives and children to face the certain atrocities of war..a deed .unfathomable to most
To save their own asses
and then have the nerve to complain about some racial discrimination amongst the women and children who are desperate for sanctuary while their husbands,brothers,fathers stay and fight for Ukraine
One cannot dismiss the glaring parallel of
The black construct here in America where
Fathers easily abandon their families and responsibilities thereof in pursuit of a self concerned life they think they are entitled
To... only to cry racism and discrimination if they are not kow-towed to
perhaps a more black cultural makeup than a social economic dilemma is responsible for the problems we face here
 

Montuno

...como el Son...
[FONT=Roboto_condensed]SPAIN - MOROCCO - WESSTERN SAHARA WAR[/FONT]


The majority of Congress demands that Sánchez rectify the Sahara and communicate it to Mohamed VI tomorrow
  • MARISA CRUZ
    @oruezabala2002
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UpdatedWednesday, 6 April 2022 - 15:14


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Pedro Sánchez with Nadia Calviño, in Congress.Emilio NaranjoEFE
[FONT=PT_serif]The majority of groups in Congress , with one nuance or another, have demanded that the Prime Minister "rectify" his swerve in relation to the Sahara and communicate this to Mohamed VI tomorrow at the meeting he will hold with him in Rabat .

[FONT=PT_serif]The parliamentary formations have expressed themselves harshly against Sánchez's background and forms when it comes to unilaterally deciding what many interpret as a "betrayal" of the Sahara and a "violation" of international legality. The criticism has been substantiated in the debate of a bill signed by United We Can (Podemos & Izquierda Unida-Partido Comunista de España), ERC (Esquerra Republicana de Catalunya), EH Bildu (Euskal Herria Bildu), that, in reality, corners the harshest reproach to the Executive in the explanatory statement but not in the operative part of the text that is about what the Chamber will really pronounce tomorrow, coinciding with the appointment of Sánchez and the Alaouite monarch.[/FONT]

[FONT=PT_serif]The PNV (Partido Nacionalista Vasco) tries to introduce an amendment in the proposal in which the "disagreement" of Congress with the "unilateral" change decided by the Prime Minister is clearly established. It is foreseeable that the signatory groups will not accept it in such a way that, in addition to obtaining the favorable vote of the PSOE (Partido Socialista Obrero Español), they will substantially lower the practically unanimous complaint of the Parliament to the lurch on the Sahara.[/FONT][/FONT]


[FONT=PT_serif]Despite everything, a conclusion has emerged from the parliamentary debate: Pedro Sánchez will attend Mohamed VI's invitation without having the support of the majority of Congress. The interventions of the parliamentary spokesmen have made this clear.[/FONT]

[FONT=PT_serif]United We Can (Podemos & Izquierda Unida-Partido Comunista de España)[/FONT][FONT=PT_serif], the partner of the Government but signatory and main promoter of the initiative against Sánchez's change of position, has reproached his older brother in the Executive for not giving the Saharawi population the same treatment against Morocco as that which is granted the Ukrainians against Putin . An example of "hypocrisy", in the words of Gerardo Pisarello for whom it is "unacceptable" that Sánchez dedicate preferential treatment of friendship to Mohamed VI and unilaterally bet on his autonomy plan for the former Spanish colony.[/FONT]
[FONT=PT_serif]In his opinion, Mohamed VI "is calm because Spain has acted weakly and without clear principles and for this reason," he predicted, "he will not stop pressing." In short, for United We Can "Spain wins nothing and has a lot to lose." This group has asked Sánchez for "a rectification and a clear commitment to the Sahara". "This is the message," Pisarello stressed, "that Sánchez must take to Mohamed VI."[/FONT]

[FONT=PT_serif]ERC(Esquerra Republicana de Catalunya) has emphasized the right to self-determination that the Spanish Government "has decided to violate". "The war in Ukraine cannot hide this betrayal," assured its representative Marta Rosique , who has accused the Executive of violating up to 74 UN resolutions by betting on the Rabat plan. "Spain supports Morocco imposing its force on the territory and has done it in the worst way possible," she insisted. "Tomorrow Sánchez is going to Rabat but she will not go with the support of the Chamber", warned the deputy.[/FONT]

[FONT=PT_serif]EH Bildu, (Euskal Herria Bildu) along the same lines, has described the Government's change of position as "injustice" and "political and diplomatic fudge." His spokesman Jon Iñarritu has also demanded that Sánchez "rectify" and go with this position to his appointment with Mohamed VI, clarifying that he does not have the support of the Spanish Parliament and that what was transmitted in his letter was nothing more than a "mistake". For EH Bildu, the Government has become "another Moroccan actor".[/FONT]

[FONT=PT_serif]The PNV, one of the most belligerent formations in favor of the self-determination of the Sahara, has confirmed that the Government "will do what it wants". Aitor Esteban has assured that the Government has taken "the side of one party" and against the Saharawi people playing only the trump card of autonomy, which implies "recognizing that the territory of the Sahara is Moroccan".[/FONT]
[FONT=PT_serif]The Basque nationalists have presented an amendment to the non-law proposal of UP, ERC and Bildu that clearly toughens its content, explaining the "disagreement" of Congress with the "unilateral" turn of the Government. The signatories of the initiative will study it from here until tomorrow.

Ciudadanos (Citisens Party) do not accept the turn either. The orange formation already assumes that amendments will not be accepted because in this way, its deputy
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Miguel Gutiérrez[FONT=PT_serif] has denounced , the backs of the Government will be covered. The [/FONT]orange[FONT=PT_serif] party will not vote in favor of the initiative of ERC, Unidos Podemos (United We Can) and EH-Bildu because it is a "grotesque".[/FONT]

[FONT=PT_serif]For the deputy of CC (Coalición Canarias), Ana Oramas , the new position "is not a position of the State, nor of this Parliament, nor of this Government, it is only a position of Pedro Sánchez ". This same argument has also been handled by Vox, a group for which it is unacceptable that the president changes Spanish foreign policy at his own risk and without the knowledge and support of the Chamber.[/FONT]

[FONT=PT_serif]The PP (Partido Popular) its criticism on Sánchez's unilateralism, which has even caused one part of the Government to present an initiative against the other part of the Executive. The popular have denounced the rupture of the historical position of Spain forgetting that it is the affected parties that must reach an agreement without the Spanish Government betting on one side.

The Popular Party (PP) have doubted the commitments of Morocco and have lamented the "loss of credibility and prestige" of Spain in the foreign field. A "painful geopolitical swerve" has assured his representative, who has influenced the problems that the government's decision has caused with Algeria . The PP has preferred not to reveal the meaning of its vote. It will wait until tomorrow to see the final text if any amendments are made to it.
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[FONT=PT_serif]The PSOE (Partido Socialista Obrero Español), in a difficult position, has acknowledged being in agreement with the operative part of the non-law proposal, the most diluted, but against the harshness of the explanatory statement. The socialists have insisted that the solution for the Sahara must be the one decided by the parties in conflict within the framework of the UN. However, they have defended "unblocking" the issue and taking it out of the "freezer". According to the PSOE, the Government "does not try to impose anything" nor does it contravene United Nations resolutions.[/FONT]


https://www.elmundo.es/espana/2022/0...b138b45c2.html
 

Montuno

...como el Son...
Also a comment on the montuno post....

Is this a diatribe of the periless plight of the blacks who were welcomed into Ukraine
And made it possible to pursue an education,
career,and a family for 23 odd years and become citizens of their host country...

And are now abandoning that country so they
Don't have to fight for the very nation that made it possible....
not just country but have abandon their wives and children to face the certain atrocities of war..a deed .unfathomable to most
To save their own asses
and then have the nerve to complain about some racial discrimination amongst the women and children who are desperate for sanctuary while their husbands,brothers,fathers stay and fight for Ukraine
One cannot dismiss the glaring parallel of
The black construct here in America where
Fathers easily abandon their families and responsibilities thereof in pursuit of a self concerned life they think they are entitled
To... only to cry racism and discrimination if they are not kow-towed to
perhaps a more black cultural makeup than a social economic dilemma is responsible for the problems we face here

Well, I don't know if the black man in my linked article fled abandoning his family in Ukraine, or if they be able left/cross border before him... But whatever it is, what I do know is that I smell rancid racism, because I don't think anyone has extrapolated the cases of the numerous videos of whites intercepted at the border, hidden in the luggage, or dressed as women, to the common Ukrainian white.
Likewise, even black international volunteers (and/or mercenaries) have been seen on both sides, from Africa, Europe and America.
I think I have seen some black British and Americans in Ukraine(proUkranie), in each other's publications.
Likewise, I have also posted several interviews with a compatriot of mine who has been fighting there since 2014 (proRussia), and who happens to be quite black (mulatto, I don't know if that will do for your stereotypes...).

That said, the fact that you may be stupid and racist (it is a rhetorical example in conditional), does not necessarily imply that all your race shares your attributes.
And of course, this applies to the rest of the binomials like Putin Butchers/Russians, Azov Neo-Nazis/Ukrainians, Nazis/Germans, Zionist Extremists/Jews, Islamist Integrists/Muslims, Stalinists/Communists, Bad Hombres/Hispanics, Ignorant Trumpist Racist Ultrarightists/Gringos, etc, etc, etc, etc....

(...y tú tómatelo con humor, mi primo)
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=F_sJE0sm2Oc
 
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