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Three Berries

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Well since you say all wars are banker wars, that's a pretty stupid question. Based on that opinion, every kid who grew up, became a soldier, went to war and died, died for Bankers wars regardless of what country those kids came from.

That's the point. The US is the worst when it comes to aggressive military behavior. Cannon fodder for the MIC and Bankers. Population control for the Globalist.

And now Bidan wants us fight in Ukraine, to cover his crimes.
 

HempKat

Just A Simple Old Dirt Farmer
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That's the point. The US is the worst when it comes to aggressive military behavior. Cannon fodder for the MIC and Bankers. Population control for the Globalist.

And now Bidan wants us fight in Ukraine, to cover his crimes.

No, in fact he's been doing everything possible to keep US Troops from fighting in Ukraine despite other countries including NATO countries (Poland) who seem very eager to get involved directly. Although I can't really blame Poland since they experienced directly the atrocities connected to being invaded by Russia back when the USSR and Hitler's Germany worked together to invade Poland in the early days of WWII before Hitler broke the agreement made with the USSR for the two countries to not attack each other.

Also your lame premise that Biden wants us to fight in Ukraine to cover up his crimes is unsubstantiated. First off there is no evidence of any kind that Biden committed any crimes to cover up. At best there may, and I stress the word MAY be evidence of crimes his son was involved in, which is highly doubtful since you have Trump asking Putin to release evidence even though supposedly Trump and those who work for them have in their possession a laptop full of alleged evidence that fools like you think is not only enough to bring down Biden's son but also his father, Obama and Hillary. Why ask for a world leader Putin, that nobody trusts (except people like Trump) to produce as yet unknown evidence, when you have in your possession a hard drive from a laptop that supposedly belongs to Hunter Biden and is allegedly loaded with rock solid evidence that the Republicans just want to sit on for now so they can release it later to hopefully hurt democrat chance in the Mid Terms? Even though releasing it now would give enough time to actually prove and thru that proof change voters minds (even though nobody this so call evidence incriminates is actually running in the mid terms) rather then just make voters unsure and only maybe change their votes. If Biden truly had crimes he wanted to hide in Ukraine his best bet would be to help Russia as they are just blowing up everything and killing as many as they can as a result I'm sure there are many crimes that were committed by God only knows who that will never be solved or even known about because the evidence is literally being decimated by the Russian's habit of indiscriminately blowing up everything.

As for the US being the worst when it comes to aggressive military behavior if you look at all the wars that have happen since 1900 the total is approximately 260 wars of those 260 wars only about 6 could be said to have been caused by the United States and even then that number is highly debatable as to who actually caused the war. Now if you include wars that the US got involved in with actual boots on the ground the number goes up a bit but is still around 10% at most. Just saying something is so doesn't make it true no matter how desperately you want it to be true so that you can cling to the many false beliefs you so feverishly cling to.

https://www.war-memorial.net/wars_all.asp
 

Montuno

...como el Son...
BND bugs suspected war criminals

Russian soldiers discussed atrocities against civilians over the radio


The images of murdered civilians from Bucha shock the world. According to SPIEGEL information, the BND recorded the radio traffic of suspected perpetrators. Accordingly, the brutal acts are part of the strategy of Putin's army.
By Melanie Amann , Matthias Gebauer and Fidelius Schmid
4/7/2022, 4:04 p.m
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Devastated street in Bucha, Ukraine (on April 6)
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https://www.spiegel.de/politik/ukra...r-funk-a-9e01662c-aa7e-4828-bf6f-f662d9b6164e
 

Montuno

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ACCORDING TO THE WEEKLY 'DER SPIEGEL'

"First ask, then shoot": calls between Russians captured by German spies

The recordings were presented in the German Parliament, says 'Spiegel', and would prove that the shooting of civilians was part of Russia's strategy in the invasion of Germany

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A woman killed in Bucha. (EFE/EPA/Roman Pilipey)


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04/07/2022 - 14:46 Updated: 04/07/2022 - 14:48

"Civilians are questioned first, then they are shot ," says a Russian soldier in a recording. Another tells his interlocutor how he has shot a person who was riding a bicycle . These conversations, reported with the little surprise of a daily act, have been some of the audios that German espionage recorded between Russian soldiers in Ukraine and that, presumably, prove that the shooting of civilians was part of Russia's war strategy in that country, as reported on Thursday by the weekly 'Der Spiegel '.


The BND (acronym in German for the federal espionage services) captured radio conversations between Russian soldiers in which the death of civilians was mentioned and 'Der Spiegel' assures that some of them can be related to the cases of civilians found dead in the streets of Bucha, near Kiev, after the withdrawal of the Russian troops that had occupied the area.

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Invasion 'Forensics': Gathering Evidence of Russian Crimes on the Streets of BorodyankaAlicia Alamillos. Borodyanka (Ukraine)


One soldier tells another in one of those recordings how he and other soldiers had shot a person on a bicycle; In another conversation captured by the BND, a man is heard stating that " civilians are questioned first , then they are shot."


The German weekly affirms that the recordings were presented this Wednesday in the German Parliament and that from the BND material it can be deduced that members of the Wagner Group were involved in the deaths of civilians in Ukraine, which " already stood out in its intervention in Syria for its cruelty special".

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A video documents how Russian soldiers shot a cyclist at close range in BuchaThe confidential


'Der Spiegel', which does not reveal the sources from which it obtained the information, reports that the BND wiretaps show that the shooting of civilians was not isolated actions by some soldiers and that they testify that the Russian troops were talking about acts committed on a daily basis.

"This indicates that the killings of civilians were part of the action of the Russian military , possibly part of a clear strategy. It is thus a question of spreading fear and terror among the civilian population to eliminate their resistance ," the publication assures.

War crimes testimonies

Amnesty International (AI) has revealed that it has collected testimonies from people who witnessed or had direct knowledge of executions of civilians and "deliberate killings" carried out by Russian troops in Ukraine, episodes that it urges to investigate as probable "war crimes".
Investigators from the human rights organization have interviewed more than 20 residents in towns near Kiev after the withdrawal of Russian troops who have described repeated scenes of abuse and "illegal violence." AI further claims it has "evidence" of indiscriminate killings of civilians in attacks on Kharkov and the Sumy region, has documented an airstrike that killed people queuing for food in Chernigov , as well as accounts of civilians living under siege in Kharkov, Izium and Mariupol.

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Hunger, siege and indiscriminate destruction: Putin applies the Syrian model to UkraineDaniel Iriarte


A 46-year-old woman from Bohdanivka, east of kyiv, told Amnesty International how Russian soldiers entered her town between 7 and 8 March. On the night of March 9, she heard shots fired at the ground floor windows of her house. She and her husband shouted that they were unarmed civilians. When they got out together with her 10-year-old daughter and her mother-in-law, two Russian soldiers pushed them into a room with the heating boiler.
"They asked my husband if he had any cigarettes. He told them no. They shot him in the right arm. The other said 'finish him' and they shot him in the head."
"They forced us inside and slammed the door. Just a minute later, they opened the door and asked my husband if he had any cigarettes. He told them no, he hadn't smoked for two weeks. He was shot in the right arm. The other He said 'finish him' and they shot him in the head," he described.
"He didn't die outright. From 9:30 p.m. to 4 a.m. he was still breathing, although he wasn't conscious. I begged him... 'If you can hear me, please lift a finger.' his hand on my knee and he squeezed. The blood ran," the woman continued. "When she breathed her last breath, I turned to my daughter and said, 'Looks like dad is dead,' " she explained. AI investigators spoke to one of the woman's neighbors, who saw Russian soldiers enter the house that night and confirmed that she saw her husband's body slumped in a corner.

Kateryna Tkachova, 18, was in the town of Vorzel on March 3, when tanks marked with the letter "Z" appeared on her street. Her mother and her father came out from the basement where they were all hiding, asking her daughter to stay there. Kateryna heard gunshots shortly after.
"Once the tanks had passed, I jumped over the fence of the neighbor's house. I wanted to check if they were alive. I looked over the fence and saw my mother lying on her back on the side of the road, and my dad was face down on the other side of the street. I saw big holes in his coat ," he recalled. "The next day I approached them. My father had six big holes in her back, my mother had a smaller hole in her chest ," she explained.
AI has collected testimonies of at least four other episodes of indiscriminate violence against civilians, including one survivor who was raped at gunpoint and whose husband was executed.


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Laura Mills (@lauraphylmills) twitteó: Shot for looking over the fence at a tank. Shot for delivering aid. Shot in front of his daughter. Shot at while salvaging food from a grocery store. Our new @amnesty research on unlawful killings and executions in towns and villages around Kyiv region: https://t.co/b86REWy8i1 https://twitter.com/lauraphylmills/status/1512038791095234561?s=20&t=H4omipEJ-ez1Xm2_kR5BLg


https://www.elconfidencial.com/amp/...ciones-que-grabo-el-espionaje-aleman_3404890/
 

Montuno

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The Bucha massacre is not a montage: recordings of Russian soldiers prove the shooting and civilian deaths

German intelligence recorded audio confirming that the killings of civilians were part of the action of the Russian military. Wagner group, implicated.

7 April, 2022 13:38SAVE

Laura Hernandez


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The Bucha massacre was not a Ukrainian setup as Russia claims. German espionage recorded conversations between Russian soldiers in Bucha that allegedly prove that the shooting of civilians was part of Russia's war strategy in that country.
The BND (acronym in German for the federal espionage services) captured radio conversations between Russian military in which the death of civilians was mentioned.


In a report published this Thursday by the German weekly Spiegel, in these conversations it is even possible to relate several of the cases of civilians found dead in the streets of Bucha with what is said in them.

In one of those audios, a soldier tells another how he and other soldiers had shot a person on a bicycle for no reason. In another conversation captured by the BND, a man is heard stating that "civilians are questioned first, then they are shot." "We don't care," he adds.

The German weekly affirms that the recordings were presented this Wednesday in the German Parliament and that from the BND material it can be deduced that members of the Wagner Group were involved in the deaths of civilians in Ukraine , which "already stood out in its intervention in Syria for its cruelty special".


https://www.elespanol.com/mundo/2022...3183910_0.html
 

Montuno

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Why Russia wants to end the war in Ukraine on May 9

The day of the Slavic victory over Nazism seems like the ideal day for Vladimir Putin to celebrate his victory in the Ukraine.

31 March, 2022 00:32SAVE

Guillermo Ortiz @guilleortiz_77


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On May 8, 1945, at 11:01 p.m., Marshal Wilhelm Keitel signed the unconditional surrender of the German army, ending World War II. Eight days had passed since Adolf Hitler committed suicide in his Berlin bunker and seven since the Russian army entered the German capital, placing the USSR flag on top of the Reichstag building. Only isolated militias continued to resist with difficulty in some places of the western front. In this way, almost six years of conventional war ended and forty-four of the Cold War began .
Keitel's signature came in the European night… already Soviet dawn. In Moscow, it was beginning on May 9 when the news of the agreement arrived. Immediately, that day became Victory Day , although Stalin, obsessed with the ideological struggle above the nationalist, ended in 1947 with its consideration as a holiday. There were no parades, no big celebrations. Veterans got together and shared their stories. Thus, until, in 1964, a Ukrainian, Petro Shelest, secretary general of the Communist Party in his region and a key player in the dismissal of Nikita Khrushchev in favor of Leonidas Brezhnev, proposed to reinstate his status, with the support of the entire new Committee Central.
Until 1965, therefore, Victory Day was not what it has been ever since. The great day of national pride, whether that country was the USSR or, as now, Russia. The day the Great Patriotic War ended,

the one that cost tens of millions of dead among combatants and civilians
. Celebrated in style in Russia, now openly as a nationalist holiday, and also in Belarus or Serbia, the day of the Slavic victory over Nazism seems like the ideal day for Vladimir Putin to celebrate his victory in Ukraine, precisely in the face of what he calls "neo-Nazis", in a new war of "liberation" for the greater splendor of the "Russian homeland".


Seeking an end to the war for that day would make all the sense in the world . The question right now is whether Russia will be given time to finish its "special operations" satisfactorily by that date. In what conditions? What minimum objectives should be met and what maximum objectives will the Kremlin seek to sell its triumph as a greater success? What does kyiv have to say about all this? And, above all, are the negotiations in Istanbul between the two governments a real attempt to achieve peace or an intentional waste of time to rearm and return to the fray with more force?

A diffuse territorial distribution

What comes to us from Turkey is sometimes hopeful and sometimes confusing. Sometimes it feels like both sides have a genuine desire to end the feud , and sometimes it feels like we're back to square one. From the outset, Putin has a credibility problem: how to trust a party determined to promise one thing and continually do the opposite? It seems that Russia could agree to Ukraine joining the European Union in exchange for some recognition of Crimea and Donbas by kyiv, but that is easy to say and very difficult to deliver.



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Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky visits the Donbas region in April 2021. Press Office of the President of Ukraine



Sources close to President Zelensky have stated that Ukraine could take a "fifteen-year truce" on the Crimean issue. The term itself is a euphemism. Either you recognize that you will never get Crimea back unless Russia disappears as such, or you don't. In fifteen years, nothing will have changed from the diplomatic point of view . There is not going to be a substitute for Putin who says: "Oh, that's right, Crimea in 2014, what an injustice, we are going to give the peninsula back to the Ukrainians." You have to understand that it is a formalism, a way of not completely recognizing what you are actually recognizing. Something that Putin can sell to his people and his army as a victory in the war without appearing excessively weak.
Another thing is the Donbas. First, because Donbas is no longer just Donetsk and Lugansk , but the battles have spread to other Russophone territories, starting with Kharkov and practically reaching the Dnieper River. No one quite knows what the Russians are talking about when they talk about "liberating Donbas" nor is it clear to which exact territories they are referring to. It seems as unlikely that Russia will renounce the capture of Kharkiv as that Zelensky will recognize that part of her territory suddenly becomes Russian. No, of course, after eight years of bloody war with tens of thousands of deaths on both sides. It is also not easy to justify that you have refused to surrender Mariupol, condemning the troops stationed there to death... and then you are going to happily negotiate territories that are not yet fully controlled by Russia.
We will have to go almost inch by inch and that takes time. Not only time, but it is an invitation for the war to continue , that is, to recover or advance positions to place them on the negotiating table. In 33 days, Russia's gains have been relatively meager and heavily focused on eastern and southern Ukraine. So focused that it is not known if from the beginning those territories were their only objectives -as they themselves affirm- or if they have become such because they are the only ones where their army can take off.


The question of the European Union

The most likely, therefore, is that the war will continue for a considerable time and that, even with an armistice already agreed, skirmishes will continue in certain regions. Thinking of absolute peace on Russia's western border with Ukraine sounds like science fiction right now . If Putin wants to announce the victory and celebrate it on May 9 or even earlier, he will have to settle for the minimum: the recognition of Crimea would be one, of course; so would Ukraine's official declaration of neutrality and perhaps a troop withdrawal from those areas of Donbas where Russian control is total and verifiable. Ukraine can not give anything away at this point of sacrifice .



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Another thing is the long-term commitments such as the aforementioned entry into the European Union. Honestly, it sounds too good to be true. First of all, it should be made clear that the European Union has never shown much interest in Ukraine being part of the alliance and will have less interest in an impoverished Ukraine without commercial access to the Sea of ​​Azov. Even if Odessa stands firm - quite likely - the blow to Ukraine's seaborne trade is being tremendous.
There is also the issue of refugees. The first European estimates were of ten million possible emigrants to be absorbed among all the member countries. The point is that, if Ukraine continues to be a territory in continuous conflict and its application for membership is still accepted, we would be talking about ten million people with the freedom to move around the European Union, not just at a specific moment of crisis and with the corresponding controls, but forever. That would require a lot of negotiation and a lot of help to the bordering countries, mainly Poland, Hungary and Romania.
Even so, it would still be strange for Russia to accept that. The European Union is not a military organization… but it is, basically, a huge trade agreement. Bearing in mind that Moscow is currently in a trade war with that organization, it is not at all clear that it is in its best interest for a trade partner as important to them as Ukraine to go to the other side. It sounds like candy to cheat, but it is doubtful that anyone will be fooled by Putin and his envoys at this point. Actually, as long as they don't poison anyone, that's enough.

A quick peace will be a peace of minimums

Victory Day is exactly 41 days away . The way the war has gone so far, it's hard to think Russia will make much progress in that time. Of course, what they can get right now by trading is nowhere near what they thought they would get a month or so ago. Condemning thousands of soldiers to death or disability to entrench Crimea a little and create a corridor through the Sea of ​​Azov to a still-unstable Donbas seems too little to go out on the streets and talk about a second defeat for the Nazis.
Propaganda works miracles, but great care should be taken. Basically, the rhetoric of the last two months should be toned down . Both sides. Ukraine will have to admit that it has lost territory... even if it has won a battle for independence that no one counted on, and Russia will have to admit that this is the highest its army can aspire to and that something is something, even if it does not come close not even close to what his public opinion expected.
The other option is to let that day pass and continue the war . Right now, it seems the most likely. When the two parties feel that they still have something to gain by fighting, it is normal for them not to give in to a peace that they do not consider fair. Ukraine is counterattacking quite effectively around kyiv, and Russia is slowly consolidating its positions in Novarosiya (New Russia) to the east and south. Everyone has the right to think that, at a given moment, the enemy will collapse. As long as you think about it, settling for half a victory will always taste like little.


https://www.elespanol.com/mundo/2022...0934393_0.html
 

GOT_BUD?

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I wonder how many previously pro Putin GOP members are going to start walking back their love for Putin now that the evidence of war crimes are coming out?

How many won't?
 

Montuno

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The 11 parties that Zelensky has banned in Ukraine: the measure that IU criticized before his speech in Congress


On March 20, the Ukrainian president banned the activity of 11 political parties for an alleged connection with Russia


[COLOR=rgba(31, 31, 31, 0.75)]By Andrea Real
We explain it to you

06 April 2022| 4 min read
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[COLOR=rgba(31, 31, 31, 0.75)] president of [/COLOR]Ukraine[COLOR=rgba(31, 31, 31, 0.75)] , Volodímir Zelenski, [/COLOR]spoke[COLOR=rgba(31, 31, 31, 0.75)] at the Congress of Deputies on April 5 to discuss the situation in his country and demand help from Spain. Both before and after his statement, the majority of the chamber applauded. But a few deputies did not. From [/COLOR]the United Left they have explained[COLOR=rgba(31, 31, 31, 0.75)] that it was not because of Zelenski's intervention in Congress, but because of the prohibition of 11 political parties in Ukraine.[/COLOR]

[COLOR=rgba(31, 31, 31, 0.75)]Among those who decided not to applaud the Ukrainian president's message is Enrique Santiago , Secretary of State for the 2030 Agenda and General Secretary of the Spanish Communist Party, who had also alluded to this measure on previous occasions.[/COLOR]
[COLOR=rgba(31, 31, 31, 0.75)]The deputies of the Galician Nationalist Bloc and the Popular Unity Candidacy (CUP) did not applaud either, as can be seen in the video of the Congress (minute 18:30).[/COLOR]
[COLOR=rgba(31, 31, 31, 0.75)]Among the reasons that Zelenski is reproached for and that they have shared on social networks is "suppressing the activity of 11 political parties." According to the United Left, this “violates the civil rights of the Ukrainian people and adds to the outlawing of the Communist Party and the attack on trade unions initiated by Poroshenko [Zelensky's predecessor]. These anti-democratic gestures are unacceptable in an EU candidate country”.[/COLOR]


Live | The control session to the Government


[COLOR=rgba(31, 31, 31, 0.75)]This ban was announced by Zelensky on his Telegram on March 20. The President of Ukraine assured that the National Security and Defense Council had decided, "because of the war at all scales in the Russian Federation and the connections of some of these parties with the Russian state", that any activity of a number of political parties were suspended for the duration of martial law in the country .[/COLOR]


The 11 political parties banned by Zelensky

[COLOR=rgba(31, 31, 31, 0.75)]This list of 11 political parties included, among others, six political parties that would be situated on the Ukrainian left, such as the Left Opposition, the Union of Left Forces, the Progressive and Socialist Party of Ukraine, the Socialist Party of Ukraine, and the party “Socialists”.[/COLOR]
[COLOR=rgba(31, 31, 31, 0.75)]Zelensky also announced the banning of five other political parties, such as the Opposition Party – For Life, Nashi (Our) Party, Shariy's Party, Opposition Bloc, State, and Volodymyr Saldo's Bloc. As explained by the Barcelona Center for International Affairs (CIDOB ), both the Por la vida party and the Nashi party have pro-Russian tendencies. [/COLOR]


Garry Kasparov, in search of checkmate Putin


[COLOR=rgba(31, 31, 31, 0.75)]Antonio Alonso, professor of International Relations at the CEU San Pablo University explains to Newtral.es that the eleven parties that Zelensky banned have pro-Russian tendencies. "Some have a greater nationalist and identity aspect than others, which are based more on the defense of the workers and Soviet sentiment."[/COLOR]
[COLOR=rgba(31, 31, 31, 0.75)]Zelensky ended his video thus: "The Ministry of Justice is instructed to immediately take measures to ban the political activities of these parties to the prescribed extent." Even so, this will only last until martial law falls in the country.[/COLOR]

The ban on political parties would last as long as martial law is in place, according to kyiv

[COLOR=rgba(31, 31, 31, 0.75)]As Zelensky acknowledged in his statements, the ban on the eleven political parties would last during the establishment of martial law in Ukraine. [/COLOR]
[COLOR=rgba(31, 31, 31, 0.75)]Alonso explains to Newtral.es that in times of war it is easier to accept issues that in a democratic state would normally be rejected due to their exceptional situation. This as long as international law is not violated, as with crimes of genocide or crimes against humanity. Zelenski carried out the prohibition of these political parties in the context of the war, since "if the war were not involved, it would not be acceptable," says Alonso.[/COLOR]
[COLOR=rgba(31, 31, 31, 0.75)]The expert also adds that this war is not only being waged with weapons, but also with information. “In the end, these pro-Russian political parties could become platforms for the propagation of information from the Kremlin,” adds the expert.[/COLOR]
Poroshenko banned the propagation of Nazi and Communist ideology or symbols in 2015

[COLOR=rgba(31, 31, 31, 0.75)]In Ukraine, the propagation of Nazi and communist symbols has been prohibited by law since 2015. In that period of time, the president of Ukraine was not Zelensky, but Petro Poroshenko . From the Ukrainian Ministry of Foreign Affairs, in a previous article about countries that had banned communism, they explained to Newtral.es that there is a law "on the condemnation of totalitarian communist and national socialist (Nazi) regimes and the prohibition of the spread of their symbols in Ukraine” of 2015. [/COLOR]
[COLOR=rgba(31, 31, 31, 0.75)]Although Zelensky's reasons for banning political parties are different, this law "condemns the repression and persecution against millions of Ukrainians during the 20th century by both totalitarian regimes, including the deliberate genocide of the Ukrainian people by hunger organized by the communist regime in 1932-33. Prohibits any propagation in Ukraine of Communist or National Socialist ideology, symbols or any other attributes; and calls to rid Ukrainian public spaces and domains of any of those left over from ancient times.”[/COLOR]
[COLOR=rgba(31, 31, 31, 0.75)]"Therefore, any public or political organization that declares and propagates a communist or national socialist ideology, symbols or attributes is considered in violation of this law," they clarified from the Ministry.[/COLOR]
 

Three Berries

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No, in fact he's been doing everything possible to keep US Troops from fighting in Ukraine despite other countries including NATO countries (Poland) who seem very eager to get involved directly. Although I can't really blame Poland since they experienced directly the atrocities connected to being invaded by Russia back when the USSR and Hitler's Germany worked together to invade Poland in the early days of WWII before Hitler broke the agreement made with the USSR for the two countries to not attack each other.

Also your lame premise that Biden wants us to fight in Ukraine to cover up his crimes is unsubstantiated. First off there is no evidence of any kind that Biden committed any crimes to cover up. At best there may, and I stress the word MAY be evidence of crimes his son was involved in, which is highly doubtful since you have Trump asking Putin to release evidence even though supposedly Trump and those who work for them have in their possession a laptop full of alleged evidence that fools like you think is not only enough to bring down Biden's son but also his father, Obama and Hillary. Why ask for a world leader Putin, that nobody trusts (except people like Trump) to produce as yet unknown evidence, when you have in your possession a hard drive from a laptop that supposedly belongs to Hunter Biden and is allegedly loaded with rock solid evidence that the Republicans just want to sit on for now so they can release it later to hopefully hurt democrat chance in the Mid Terms? Even though releasing it now would give enough time to actually prove and thru that proof change voters minds (even though nobody this so call evidence incriminates is actually running in the mid terms) rather then just make voters unsure and only maybe change their votes. If Biden truly had crimes he wanted to hide in Ukraine his best bet would be to help Russia as they are just blowing up everything and killing as many as they can as a result I'm sure there are many crimes that were committed by God only knows who that will never be solved or even known about because the evidence is literally being decimated by the Russian's habit of indiscriminately blowing up everything.

As for the US being the worst when it comes to aggressive military behavior if you look at all the wars that have happen since 1900 the total is approximately 260 wars of those 260 wars only about 6 could be said to have been caused by the United States and even then that number is highly debatable as to who actually caused the war. Now if you include wars that the US got involved in with actual boots on the ground the number goes up a bit but is still around 10% at most. Just saying something is so doesn't make it true no matter how desperately you want it to be true so that you can cling to the many false beliefs you so feverishly cling to.

https://www.war-memorial.net/wars_all.asp

There is no good reason for the US to be involved in Ukraine. Forget NATO. Why should they be involved? And isn't Bidan telling the troops he's going with them when they go fight? Isn't NATO the proxy aggressor here? Isn't that the long term problem?
 

HempKat

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Your last paragraph must be a joke, HempKat at : in invasions of American countries alone, it already exceeds that figure.

As I noted, if you include the number of times where America became involved in Wars that someone else already started the number goes up. The lower number I was stating were the number of times America actually initiated a war since it was being claimed that the US was the number one player when it came to military aggression. I don't count getting involved after the fact to supply aid or military equipment as evidence of military aggression I would say that's more fairly labelled as opportunism. Like the one in Nicaragua where the US backed the Contras and that eventually became a huge embarrassment for the US. There was already military aggression going on that would have continued to go on whether the US helped the Contras or not. Don't get me wrong I'm not saying that such involvement was okay I'm just saying I don't count that as military aggression. Invading a Sovereign neighboring country with the intent of taking permanent control of all or parts of that country is what I call military aggression.
 

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Just A Simple Old Dirt Farmer
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I love that aging famous rockers like Pink Flyod still use their fame as a platform to help fight against such things as the Russian invasion of Ukraine. I mean Pink Floyd could have probably sat back and not gotten involved and nobody would have thought poorly of them. There are too many younger groups like Five Finger Death Punch for example that could do the same thing with powerful effect. So seeing an older group that could just as easily rest on it's laurels just seems really classy to me.
 

Three Berries

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As I noted, if you include the number of times where America became involved in Wars that someone else already started the number goes up. The lower number I was stating were the number of times America actually initiated a war since it was being claimed that the US was the number one player when it came to military aggression. I don't count getting involved after the fact to supply aid or military equipment as evidence of military aggression I would say that's more fairly labelled as opportunism. Like the one in Nicaragua where the US backed the Contras and that eventually became a huge embarrassment for the US. There was already military aggression going on that would have continued to go on whether the US helped the Contras or not. Don't get me wrong I'm not saying that such involvement was okay I'm just saying I don't count that as military aggression. Invading a Sovereign neighboring country with the intent of taking permanent control of all or parts of that country is what I call military aggression.

You need help. US spends Trillions on war. Spreads regime change all around the world. Gets people like you to say we are innocent.

We have constantly been in military aggression all my life which started with the Korean War. Spreading freedom all over the world you know.
 

Montuno

...como el Son...
As I noted, if you include the number of times where America became involved in Wars that someone else already started the number goes up. The lower number I was stating were the number of times America actually initiated a war since it was being claimed that the US was the number one player when it came to military aggression. I don't count getting involved after the fact to supply aid or military equipment as evidence of military aggression I would say that's more fairly labelled as opportunism. Like the one in Nicaragua where the US backed the Contras and that eventually became a huge embarrassment for the US. There was already military aggression going on that would have continued to go on whether the US helped the Contras or not. Don't get me wrong I'm not saying that such involvement was okay I'm just saying I don't count that as military aggression. Invading a Sovereign neighboring country with the intent of taking permanent control of all or parts of that country is what I call military aggression.

Mira, solo en el s.20, y antes de la 1 GM, y sumale la Guerra de la Insurrección filipina (la cuarta por la cola de la lista de tu enlace:

Look, only in the 20th century, and before WW1, and add the Philippine Insurrection War (fourth from the bottom of the list in your link; something like the second part in Filipinas of the USA-Spain war):
 
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