Wanna Ask The Old Farts A Question?

[HempKat]

nextup, i would suggest the purple power im enjoying right now the taste, smell and high are awesome and sound to me anyway kinda like what youre askin for.

i dont really know the policy on posting links nor do i wanna piss anyone off so i wont but i can tell you the strain library that i use as a reference when choosing seeds has a c99 x panama red strain so idk maybe google it.

As far as I'm concerned, but I'm really nobody, any links you post that are helpful to a question being asked are fine by me. This site however is part of a business and as such it does not allow links to competitors sites. Actually allow might be the wrong term as I don't know if it's an official policy but I have seen links edited out of posts before.

 

[stonethecrow]

yea im just now flowering my first scrog attempt. i started with 2 seeds which i was told were femme seeds of the pp and i built a 2ft x 2ft frame with 2ft legs and used chicken wire which i nailed to the frame with those u shaped nails. i had the screen filled in nice and was excited to flower it then after flippin one started forming buds and the other pollen sacs so now my screen is only half filled but really lookin good so as long as i get the 2ozs i got from the single one i flowered and am smokin on now ill be happy.

the way i have it set up it really isnt possible for the ricocheting but what if its just a slight passing breeze. my temps were 90+ but with the new fan was 80 today when i checked on them humidity is 60 to 70% so i dont think drying out will be an issue but maybe im wrong. i never mentioned im using hempy buckets and i dont water every day like some do so they do have a chance to dry a little between feedings but not to the point where any leaves are drooping and the humidity is still 55 to 60 before i feed which then causes it to go up

yea home brewing is alot of fun if you like the more expensive beer styles as far as covering up smells id say no because really the only time you smell it is while mashing and boiling. during the fermentation process everything is sealed up tight to keep polutants out there is an airlock which allows the built up gas out but to smell anything from it you have to actually smell the top of it. there is open fermentation but that can only be done for like 4 days then has to be sealed up like you would normally. that gives off a nice smell but only for a short time. the only bad thing about home brewing is waiting 6 weeks to drink what you brewed but being a longtime grower im sure youre good in the patients department so id suggest it if you enjoy the different beer styles.

 

[stonethecrow]

yea i believe it to be a competitors site which is why i didnt post the site link. i dont order my own seeds so its just the first site that popped up when i was searching a strain i wanted to know about and theres a ton of strains so i use it for reference and i saw you mentioned a panama red cross so i was just letting whoever is interested know that it is out there

 

[NextUp]

Thanks everyone for opioins!

Could i get a little more info on those cheese plants your talking about?

Is the high up, happy, clear?
I have seen photos of plants with chesse in the name, they look
like a good plant for a SOG system?

l8tr

C-99 was the first thing that came to mind of more recent genetics, Kali Mist is pretty good too from what I recall but I tried it in a situation where alot of different strains were being tried so it got kind of hard to tell what was what Apollo 13 I tried once as a small sample gifted me by a friend, it was very good in my mind, except for me anyway, it didn't seem to have a very long lasting quality to it. Flos I've heard good things about but I have not had a chance to try. There are some other strains that come to mind although they don't really fit the "high" description. One I'm fond of is a strain that goes as Cheese or UK Cheese. Supposedly both come from the same source from what I've heard but I'm sure some fans of either strain would argue the one they like is the "real deal". Cheese gets it's name from it's smell and taste which is somewhat reminiscent of Blue Cheese. If I recall the story correctly it's a pheno of Skunk#1.

 

[lbezphil2005]

Well I was just reading back over the earlier posts and something caught my attention. When I answered you I thought you were saying you have been doing ScrOG but now I see you are saying you're just now trying it. That alone might be the answer for you. See the two most efficient ways to grow indoors, IMHO, is either SoG or ScrOG both have their advantages and disadvantages but what they have in common is they maximize your canopy which is where your big buds grow. So if you were getting around 2 ounces per plant before just growing 4 plants kind of bush style and rotating one or two out and another one or two in every couple of weeks then you should see bigger numbers per plant if done right.

Now here's what's going to be a challenge for you. You system depends on a steady cycle. What makes for a good ScrOG is a well filled screen carefully trained in veg and you might not always accomplish that every couple of weeks or even in a month. Some plants are slower to develope then others.

The oscillating fan should help some just avoid it blowing directly on the plants. If possible position it such that the air movement the plant feels is from the fan ricocheting off a wall. Many fans on even the low setting is too much to constantly be blowing directly on the plant and can cause the plant to dry out quicker and experience stress.

Temps you want to keep at 75-80 degrees F during lights on and down in the low 60's during lights off. Humidity should be around 50-55% lights on and around 30% lights off. If you can achieve that your plants should be happy and produce nice frosty buds for you, provided you feed and water them of course

Home Brewing eh, interesting, I've often wondered if the smells of that hobby might be enough to mask the smells of the other?

Hempkat, my closet runs at 74 lights off to 82-84 lights on. good air flow, is that too warm? Humidity is at 40-60rh

 

[HempKat]

Thanks everyone for opioins!

Could i get a little more info on those cheese plants your talking about?

Is the high up, happy, clear?
I have seen photos of plants with chesse in the name, they look
like a good plant for a SOG system?

l8tr

I find it to be on the up, happy, clear side but like anything else, that's a subjective opinion. Personally I don't like to judge a high based on what others say because everyone's body chemistry is different. I remember a few years ago I grew a strain that I found to be an up, happy sort of high. I shared some with a friend of mine and for him he found the high to be a "dark" high that made him have wierd thoughts and want to sleep or lay around all day. He has some social anxiety issues that he takes medication for though and I suspect his experience was more along the lines of an interaction with his medication then it being the nature of the high.

 

[HempKat]

Hempkat, my closet runs at 74 lights off to 82-84 lights on. good air flow, is that too warm? Humidity is at 40-60rh

Just slightly, actually if that's a grow going right now then those temps aren't too bad for summer time. If you can try to get the temps down a few degrees more but I wouldn't go about making too many changes or throwing a whole lot of money into fixing it or you might find yourself too cool during winter grows.

 

[HempKat]

yea im just now flowering my first scrog attempt. i started with 2 seeds which i was told were femme seeds of the pp and i built a 2ft x 2ft frame with 2ft legs and used chicken wire which i nailed to the frame with those u shaped nails. i had the screen filled in nice and was excited to flower it then after flippin one started forming buds and the other pollen sacs so now my screen is only half filled but really lookin good so as long as i get the 2ozs i got from the single one i flowered and am smokin on now ill be happy.

the way i have it set up it really isnt possible for the ricocheting but what if its just a slight passing breeze. my temps were 90+ but with the new fan was 80 today when i checked on them humidity is 60 to 70% so i dont think drying out will be an issue but maybe im wrong. i never mentioned im using hempy buckets and i dont water every day like some do so they do have a chance to dry a little between feedings but not to the point where any leaves are drooping and the humidity is still 55 to 60 before i feed which then causes it to go up

yea home brewing is alot of fun if you like the more expensive beer styles as far as covering up smells id say no because really the only time you smell it is while mashing and boiling. during the fermentation process everything is sealed up tight to keep polutants out there is an airlock which allows the built up gas out but to smell anything from it you have to actually smell the top of it. there is open fermentation but that can only be done for like 4 days then has to be sealed up like you would normally. that gives off a nice smell but only for a short time. the only bad thing about home brewing is waiting 6 weeks to drink what you brewed but being a longtime grower im sure youre good in the patients department so id suggest it if you enjoy the different beer styles.

When possible, using methods like ScrOG it's best to wrk from clones. I know it would piss me right off if after spending all the time and care to fill the screen one or more plants turned out to be male.

If you can't bounce it off the walls then maybe position the fan so it's blowing just above the plants. Not so far above that the plants don't move at all but enough they move around only slightly. 90's is definately too hot for indoors and hotter temps can cause a plant to not grow as well which usually translates to smaller yields. Also RH in the 60-70% range is a bit too high in my opinion. Below 65% should be okay but 65-70% is risking that your buds will develope mold that leads to budrot.

Thanks for the info on home brewing, I don't really drink anymore except once in a blue moon so I doubt I'll ever be doing the home brew thing.

 

[stonethecrow]

yea it was upsetting for sure when i had to cut the one out.

i guess ill have to get a small dehumidifier and see what that will do for me. the temps are a little better with the fan movin the air around and i figured out a way to exhaust some air out of there so hopefully that will help. thanx for the advice and yea if you dont drink often home brewing isnt the thing to do

 

[lbezphil2005]

Just slightly, actually if that's a grow going right now then those temps aren't too bad for summer time. If you can try to get the temps down a few degrees more but I wouldn't go about making too many changes or throwing a whole lot of money into fixing it or you might find yourself too cool during winter grows.

Thanks bro. I was thinking about getting a window a/c unit and putting a fake wall in one end of my closet, vent the hot air up thru the roof, I am growing in a 2 1/2 foot by 8 foot by 8 foot closet, so I have room at one end, only using 6 feet now. I'd like to be able to drop temps enough to cause color changes in the plants that do that, only 98 for a 5000 cu ac unit and another 40 for the lumber and styrofoam insulation. Also, with the a/c I could get rid of some of my noisy fans moving air around, probably make it alot quieter.

 

[HempKat]

Thanks bro. I was thinking about getting a window a/c unit and putting a fake wall in one end of my closet, vent the hot air up thru the roof, I am growing in a 2 1/2 foot by 8 foot by 8 foot closet, so I have room at one end, only using 6 feet now. I'd like to be able to drop temps enough to cause color changes in the plants that do that, only 98 for a 5000 cu ac unit and another 40 for the lumber and styrofoam insulation. Also, with the a/c I could get rid of some of my noisy fans moving air around, probably make it alot quieter.

Well in that case I say go for it. Anything that makes your grow more stealthy is a good thing. I myself am more inclined to just not grow in the summer. One because everyone needs a break now and then. Two I don't grow for profit so there's no real pressing need to grow year round and Three it's just too expensive. In the summer just normal electric costs even without a grow are punishing.

 

[Dr. Purpur]

ac

ac

One thing about the AC unit, it will draw about as much power as your lights and fan combined. My power is to expensive in Cali to do that. I run indoors in winter and quite often heat my home with the filtered air. Have to watch out for humidity tho. I just move outdoors every summer. Free light and wind.

 

[HempKat]

One thing about the AC unit, it will draw about as much power as your lights and fan combined. My power is to expensive in Cali to do that. I run indoors in winter and quite often heat my home with the filtered air. Have to watch out for humidity tho. I just move outdoors every summer. Free light and wind.

Yeah it's the same deal here on the East Coast too, so I typically don't grow during summer. Also everyone needs a break now and then so they don't get burnt out.

 

[lbezphil2005]

I've thought about just running another duct over to my closet off the house ac unit, but then it would be tied in to the heater in winter, wouldn't do any good at all in getting it cooler than 76. We keep our house pretty cool, run 70 at night and 74 during the day, I think it would work out pretty well. and i can easily run another circuit, I have a 200 amp panel with plenty of space, my led pulls around 760 watts. If I frame one end in, use the styrofoam insulation as wallboard, I think I can get away with about 160 dollars outlay for a much more stable and cool room. We are getting the house payment caught up then I'm going to do it, will take some pics and start my journal here once that is done. I have some pretty decent strains to work with, just might surprise some of you old pros!!!

 

[HempKat]

I've thought about just running another duct over to my closet off the house ac unit, but then it would be tied in to the heater in winter, wouldn't do any good at all in getting it cooler than 76. We keep our house pretty cool, run 70 at night and 74 during the day, I think it would work out pretty well. and i can easily run another circuit, I have a 200 amp panel with plenty of space, my led pulls around 760 watts. If I frame one end in, use the styrofoam insulation as wallboard, I think I can get away with about 160 dollars outlay for a much more stable and cool room. We are getting the house payment caught up then I'm going to do it, will take some pics and start my journal here once that is done. I have some pretty decent strains to work with, just might surprise some of you old pros!!!

Well it sounds like you've given it alot of careful consideration and if experience has taught me anything, it's taught me, good things usually result from careful consideration. Surprise? Oh goodie, I like surprises

 

[Wilson!]

spin pots in verticle or not

spin pots in verticle or not

Hi Old Farts, (what the hell am I saying I'm a freaking gramps)

I bare bulb a 400 hps verticle in a 32.5" footprint 60" ish tall.

Any thoughts on spinning the pots every watering, bout 4 days. Or should I trellis the bud sites and spin not? Do you think the spin, by showing the dark bud sides shocks and stalls growth, causes the plants to start pumping towards the light while the formerly lit side goes dark? Or does it really matter?

Also I have a Kali Mist in my outside garden since June 15, i see the hairs just barely. How far along can you take cuttings from an os plant and still reasonably hope for a good rooting?

thx,

 

[HempKat]

Hi Old Farts, (what the hell am I saying I'm a freaking gramps)

I bare bulb a 400 hps verticle in a 32.5" footprint 60" ish tall.

Any thoughts on spinning the pots every watering, bout 4 days. Or should I trellis the bud sites and spin not? Do you think the spin, by showing the dark bud sides shocks and stalls growth, causes the plants to start pumping towards the light while the formerly lit side goes dark? Or does it really matter?

Also I have a Kali Mist in my outside garden since June 15, i see the hairs just barely. How far along can you take cuttings from an os plant and still reasonably hope for a good rooting?

thx,

I've never grown vertically so I can't really answer that part of the question other then to say it's always helped the plants to rotate them when things get so crowded that not all plants are well lit.

As for taking cuttings at this point an outdoor plant shouldn't be too far along in flowering which is consistent with you saying you can barely see the hairs. If you must take a cutting in flower the earlier the better. That being said I've heard people say they've successfully rooted cuttings taken further along into flower and that it just took longer then normal. Presumably because the cutting must revert to veg first. The less time in flower, the quicker a plant will revert to veg. Once well into flower just reverting to veg can take a month or more.

 

[sso]

you can take cuts in flowering,

it depends, sometimes it takes longer.

have only done it twice, dont remember if they rooted before they revegged the first time, but last time the clone definetly rooted before it revegged, took a long time to reveg too, surprisingly short on the rooting.

the other reveggers i just left for weeks in a humidity chamber (24 hour sun here in summer)

id prefer taking cuts before flowering though lol

 

[Wilson!]

I have a serious kali mist in the os garden. it's not going to finish. Problem is it's just in the dirt no container. i wanna cut it out of the ground and put it in a pot and bring it into my tent. i have 8 other small potted outside too. Once i get the Kali inside I'll bring in the other os plants. since all of them have been vegging os is there a good chance of bringing mites in all the plants at the time will be os vegged. thoughts, concerns? thx.

 

[paladin420]

I have a serious kali mist in the os garden. it's not going to finish. Problem is it's just in the dirt no container. i wanna cut it out of the ground and put it in a pot and bring it into my tent. i have 8 other small potted outside too. Once i get the Kali inside I'll bring in the other os plants. since all of them have been vegging os is there a good chance of bringing mites in all the plants at the time will be os vegged. thoughts, concerns? thx.

Have done this almost every year with my mommas. You will want to set up a quarantine space and really really try to kill/stop everything. Mites ,Pm,afid, hell just regular ants n shit.

good luck brudda

hey hempcat