Wanna Ask The Old Farts A Question?

[HempKat]

Thank you this was just right. I won't be askin any mods, they serve a purpose I suppose...and I'm sure Mr Hill n Gypsy hav enough to do.

Okay well if you need me to expand a little more on a particular point feel free to ask, maybe in pm as that's not the correct sort of post topic for this thread. I'm sure there are many others you could ask that are less busy or not mods but I hadn't been at OG terribly long and so I can't say for sure who was there that is here now. After the trouble that brewed here from the sudden overcrowding and paranoia many people scattered to several other canna sites that have now become well established. So I'm not sure who's who especially since many people routinely change names and avatars to enhance security.

 

[imnotkrazy]

GMT has done work with trefoils, he would be a great resource OH

 

[Jellyfish]

Someone asked about using lower branches for clones on here awhile back, but it was mixed in with some other quesions/issues. So, I don't think that part was answered. Are there any known issues with using lower branches for clones?

 

[HempKat]

Someone asked about using lower branches for clones on here awhile back, but it was mixed in with some other quesions/issues. So, I don't think that part was answered. Are there any known issues with using lower branches for clones?

None that I'm aware of except I'd avoid the really small lower branches that don't look very well developed. Not that they won't root just that they might struggle a little harder. I also like to make sure the leaves on a cutting have at least 5 fingers. If so the clone should be fairly mature and keep putting out 5 finger leaves or more then 5 fingers. Clones with leaves that have less then 5 fingers, in my experience seem to keep putting out 1 - 3 finger leaves unless you give them a fair amount of veg time in which case they'll mature up to the 5 or more fingered leaves.

 

[stonethecrow]

???? i decided to plant a purple power clone outside in my garden and will be training it to stay low and bushy so it dont outgrow my tomatoes. i got curious as to when the flower stage would begin so i know when to stop stressing the plant and came across this link

http://www.almanac.com/content/first-day-seasons

now according to that the 12/12 days dont begin until around sept 23rd and according to the strain library the pp im growing should be ready to harvest mid september and all other ones that ive looked at say either sept or oct for harvest

how is this possible if they require 2 to 3 months depending on strain to flower under a 12/12 cycle that would put harvest in nov/dec or would mean flowering begins in july which isnt a 12/12 cycle

now after reading this before posting im wondering if there would be any benefit production wise in a 14 on 10 off cycle from what i understand outdoor produces more than indoor can and it obviously gets more hrs of light ????

 

[HempKat]

???? i decided to plant a purple power clone outside in my garden and will be training it to stay low and bushy so it dont outgrow my tomatoes. i got curious as to when the flower stage would begin so i know when to stop stressing the plant and came across this link

http://www.almanac.com/content/first-day-seasons

now according to that the 12/12 days dont begin until around sept 23rd and according to the strain library the pp im growing should be ready to harvest mid september and all other ones that ive looked at say either sept or oct for harvest

how is this possible if they require 2 to 3 months depending on strain to flower under a 12/12 cycle that would put harvest in nov/dec or would mean flowering begins in july which isnt a 12/12 cycle

now after reading this before posting im wondering if there would be any benefit production wise in a 14 on 10 off cycle from what i understand outdoor produces more than indoor can and it obviously gets more hrs of light ????

Well as I recall when I grew outdoors years ago, plants mostly started flowering in August and finished in October. I never really thought what that meant in terms of light cycles though. My guess is that the 12/12 thing doesn't have to be exact and a week or so either side of the Autumn equinox isn't that much different then 12/12.

I think we focus more on 12/12 in indoor growing just because it's easier to set timers for a particular hour then to try and adjust by minutes to achieve the most amount of lights on time. Increasing lights on time would help an indoor grow produce bigger buds if it didn't trigger a plant to reveg but that's not why plants produce more outdoors. Plants produce more outdoors because the light intesity at the base of the plant is pretty much as strong as it is at the top of the plant. In indoor growing unless you run a bunch of lights, some positioned low, the light reaching the base of the plant is only a fraction of the intesity it is at the top due to the inverse squared law which says that every time the distance of light from the source doubles the intensity is deminished by a factor of four. To put another way the light one foot from a bulb is four times stronger then it is two feet from the bulb and sixteen times stronger then it is at 4 feet. The sun on the other hand having traveled millions of miles already is relatively as strong on the ground as it is 10, 20, 30 feet in the air. This means plants can grow much bigger and still get big fat juicy buds at all levels of the plant that the sun reaches.

 

[stonethecrow]

good point i wasnt thinkin about the intensity issue which is the reason i plan to try scrog soon. my basement is only 6 ft which really sux cuz im 6'1 lol but ive only been lettin em get like 3 feet because of that and im pullin 2ozs per the last couple anyway.

do you think an extra hr or 2 of light would make a difference or is the chance of triggering reveg to great. bigger buds is always a good thing and i keep a limit of 5 at a time due to legal precaution so if i could get 2 1/2 or even 2 1/4 ozs per with an extra hr or 2 of light it would be great

 

[HempKat]

good point i wasnt thinkin about the intensity issue which is the reason i plan to try scrog soon. my basement is only 6 ft which really sux cuz im 6'1 lol but ive only been lettin em get like 3 feet because of that and im pullin 2ozs per the last couple anyway.

do you think an extra hr or 2 of light would make a difference or is the chance of triggering reveg to great. bigger buds is always a good thing and i keep a limit of 5 at a time due to legal precaution so if i could get 2 1/2 or even 2 1/4 ozs per with an extra hr or 2 of light it would be great

Before I'd try messing with the light schedule I'd look into other possible ways of optimizing your environment. Adding more light, improving ventilation/temp/humidity, improving nutrient and water delivery, etc. Especially if even a quarter or a half more per plant would make the difference for you. Messing with the light cycle as much as an hour or two is too much to risk in my opinion. With ScrOG, from everything I've heard, the best way to maximize that is to give the plant plenty of veg time. The one advantage indoor has over outdoor is you can veg a plant as little or as long as you like, allowing you to get it into optimal shape for flowering based on your setup.

Now if turn around is your thing then maybe consider SoG vs ScrOG? You get less per plant but you have way more plants (up to 9 per square foot if you want to push it). If done right and an even canopy is maintained the end result should be an enviable GPW.

 

[stonethecrow]

ok thanx ill leave the lights alone and see what i can do with a scrog set up.

sog dont work for me cuz of the legal precautions i mentioned 5 or less keeps me on the streets if anything were to happen so i pop a seed every month and have 2 veg 2 flower at all times chopping one a month so far has worked good for me. environment control would do me wonders im sure as i really have none lol just a fan movin air around and no ventilation i have a 400 watt hps in a corner of a room in my basement which i partitioned with that black n white sheeting from the grow shop so the flower room is about 10x10 and the veg is much smaller and right now has a 150 hps on 24/7 for seedlings/veg. obviously not the ideal temps/humidity but for now i cant afford any new equipment to help in that department and like i said i am getting 2ozs dry from a 2 to 3 foot plant with only 8 branches on it so i guess i should be happy with that considering what im workin with.

 

[NextUp]

Lets Return to a GREAT time! 1985!!!!!


I'm 16 years old, and smoking what we called red hair sensimilla

One day, a guy offers to sell a '20' that looks just skimpy as can be.
It had rock hard little nugs' that were green, with ELECTRIC,THIN, Fire truck red hairs. It looked like it was powdered with a copper dust.

It was Prob. Panama! Yummy.........Can it be grown today? If so, show me some grow shots!

NextUp, no pun attended

Little lime green popcorn buds, all fairly uniform in size. Had a thicker
white hair in it, NO red hairs! So a lime green, with white hairs. Buds not as dense.

What was it, and can it be had today!



And last, a suggestion FROM PEOPLE WHO SMOKED WEED IN THE 80's ONLY PLEASE!


Today, your looking for a strain that represents the best the 80's had.......in my mind that was, Clear, No couch lock, The stuff that kept you high over and over again for long periods of time, no 20 min wonder buzzes! The stuff that when you smoked, kept that perma grin on your face, gave energy (Not hyper freaked out energy), made music sound more crisp, made movies much more interesting, allowed better concentration, and no major come down after effects!
The most important part of this strain hunt is the:
Clear Energy giving without begin freaky
And the improved concentration is HUGE!
It has to be a thinking mans strain!

What strain, today, is this?

Thanks for your time!

 

[HempKat]

ok thanx ill leave the lights alone and see what i can do with a scrog set up.

sog dont work for me cuz of the legal precautions i mentioned 5 or less keeps me on the streets if anything were to happen so i pop a seed every month and have 2 veg 2 flower at all times chopping one a month so far has worked good for me. environment control would do me wonders im sure as i really have none lol just a fan movin air around and no ventilation i have a 400 watt hps in a corner of a room in my basement which i partitioned with that black n white sheeting from the grow shop so the flower room is about 10x10 and the veg is much smaller and right now has a 150 hps on 24/7 for seedlings/veg. obviously not the ideal temps/humidity but for now i cant afford any new equipment to help in that department and like i said i am getting 2ozs dry from a 2 to 3 foot plant with only 8 branches on it so i guess i should be happy with that considering what im workin with.

I completely understand the limit thing and I respect you for adhering to it. If you want to improve your numbers the simplest thing you could do would be to bump up your lighting to 600W instead of 400. Of course that would also increase the need for better environment control.

In the end though what really matters is do you get enough to suit your needs? The next most important thing is are you happy with it. If those two are both answered with yes then you don't need to do anything. I see alot of people that come on these sites who really get caught up in trying to produce the most awesome bud compared to everyone else, or get more bud per plant then anyone else and it just seems so silly and makes this hobby harder and more expensive then it needs to be.

 

[HempKat]

Lets Return to a GREAT time! 1985!!!!!


I'm 16 years old, and smoking what we called red hair sensimilla

One day, a guy offers to sell a '20' that looks just skimpy as can be.
It had rock hard little nugs' that were green, with ELECTRIC,THIN, Fire truck red hairs. It looked like it was powdered with a copper dust.

It was Prob. Panama! Yummy.........Can it be grown today? If so, show me some grow shots!

NextUp, no pun attended

Little lime green popcorn buds, all fairly uniform in size. Had a thicker
white hair in it, NO red hairs! So a lime green, with white hairs. Buds not as dense.

What was it, and can it be had today!



And last, a suggestion FROM PEOPLE WHO SMOKED WEED IN THE 80's ONLY PLEASE!


Today, your looking for a strain that represents the best the 80's had.......in my mind that was, Clear, No couch lock, The stuff that kept you high over and over again for long periods of time, no 20 min wonder buzzes! The stuff that when you smoked, kept that perma grin on your face, gave energy (Not hyper freaked out energy), made music sound more crisp, made movies much more interesting, allowed better concentration, and no major come down after effects!
The most important part of this strain hunt is the:
Clear Energy giving without begin freaky
And the improved concentration is HUGE!
It has to be a thinking mans strain!

What strain, today, is this?

Thanks for your time!

Panama Red was a popular strain and as such I'm sure someone somewhere has kept the genetics going. As long as you have the seeds or clones then anything can be grown. Alas while I too have fond memories of Panama Red I didn't save any of it from when I had it and I don't know anyone else that has. I did meet one guy online once that grows crosses with Panama Red as one side of the cross but I don't know where he is these days or if he even has any of those crosses still.

Lime Green with white hairs? I have no idea, the only lime green pot I had from the 80's had purplish/lavender colored hairs and came from Hawaii, I'm not sure of the name, we (me and my friends) called it "That kickass shit from Hawaii with purple hairs". If the lime green with white hairs was popular then I'm sure it too is around somewhere and so it too could be had but not knowing the name you'll be challenged to find it.

As for the strain suggestion well the description you give would suggest the strain you seek is almost certainly a full blooded Sativa that's where one usually gets highs with adjectives like, clear, lucid, energetic, thinking man's high, etc. So you would likely want to focus on Sativas and sativa dominent hybrids. Beyond that though it's hard to say, I could tell you what best matches that description for me but for you it might end up being nothing like your description. The concept of one man's trash is another man's treasure definately applies in hunting for a favorite strain.

 

[ijim]

???? i decided to plant a purple power clone outside in my garden and will be training it to stay low and bushy so it dont outgrow my tomatoes. i got curious as to when the flower stage would begin so i know when to stop stressing the plant and came across this link

http://www.almanac.com/content/first-day-seasons

now according to that the 12/12 days dont begin until around sept 23rd and according to the strain library the pp im growing should be ready to harvest mid september and all other ones that ive looked at say either sept or oct for harvest

how is this possible if they require 2 to 3 months depending on strain to flower under a 12/12 cycle that would put harvest in nov/dec or would mean flowering begins in july which isnt a 12/12 cycle

now after reading this before posting im wondering if there would be any benefit production wise in a 14 on 10 off cycle from what i understand outdoor produces more than indoor can and it obviously gets more hrs of light ????

I have found that my Sativa doms will start to flower before the Indica doms. Ive had them start at 15 hours of daylight. 12 12 is just an indoor benchmark that insures most strains will flower. I used a tomato patch once. The tomatoes were done and the plants bare a month before before my girls were. The green goddesses stood out like a sore thumb in the dead patch.

 

[ijim]

NextUp. From my experience the first commercial sensimilla came from Columbia in the early 70s. That is when Cannabis first doubled in price to $30 an ounce. Since it has always been risky to have a crop pollinated outside from someone else s garden or hermies the art of growing indoors was developed. When that happened there were a ton of new strains that continue to be crossbred up to this day. Most strains from the 80s have evolved into what we see today. Some call it progress but not I.

 

[paladin420]

I completely understand the limit thing and I respect you for adhering to it. If you want to improve your numbers the simplest thing you could do would be to bump up your lighting to 600W instead of 400. Of course that would also increase the need for better environment control.

In the end though what really matters is do you get enough to suit your needs? The next most important thing is are you happy with it. If those two are both answered with yes then you don't need to do anything. I see alot of people that come on these sites who really get caught up in trying to produce the most awesome bud compared to everyone else, or get more bud per plant then anyone else and it just seems so silly and makes this hobby harder and more expensive then it needs to be.

GREAT ANSWER

 

[NextUp]

Thanks Hemp and others for the response.


I sure could use some guidance from someone that understands true 80s style buzz, happy, clear, thinking mans bud. Long lasting effect, with NO crash down. Any strains TODAY stick put in your mind?

Here are a few i have read about that seem to fit the bill



Apollo 13
Kali mist
Flos
Cin99


Im waiting for Sweet tooth seeds right as we speak, i think thats going to be my first!

Whatch'a think?

 

[stonethecrow]

thanx for the info ijim and i guess ill just have to wait n see what happens with the 2 in my garden

and yes i agree awesome answer hempkat. i was just curious is why i asked. im just now reaching a yr of growin my own and yes the last 4 ive harvested i am very pleased with both quality and quantity. before those i had some hermies with seeds a few with lots a few with less but really a few seeds dont bother me since i grow for personal use and i can use em and not have to buy more as soon.

i did go out yesterday n buy an oscillating fan to use in the flower room and that seems to be helping im a homebrewer also so i divide my spare money between the 2 and the 400 is only a couple months old so its homebrew equipment next time but again im pleased with my results as of late so ill just stick to what im doin and be happy thanx again guys

 

[HempKat]

Thanks Hemp and others for the response.


I sure could use some guidance from someone that understands true 80s style buzz, happy, clear, thinking mans bud. Long lasting effect, with NO crash down. Any strains TODAY stick put in your mind?

Here are a few i have read about that seem to fit the bill



Apollo 13
Kali mist
Flos
Cin99


Im waiting for Sweet tooth seeds right as we speak, i think thats going to be my first!

Whatch'a think?

C-99 was the first thing that came to mind of more recent genetics, Kali Mist is pretty good too from what I recall but I tried it in a situation where alot of different strains were being tried so it got kind of hard to tell what was what Apollo 13 I tried once as a small sample gifted me by a friend, it was very good in my mind, except for me anyway, it didn't seem to have a very long lasting quality to it. Flos I've heard good things about but I have not had a chance to try. There are some other strains that come to mind although they don't really fit the "high" description. One I'm fond of is a strain that goes as Cheese or UK Cheese. Supposedly both come from the same source from what I've heard but I'm sure some fans of either strain would argue the one they like is the "real deal". Cheese gets it's name from it's smell and taste which is somewhat reminiscent of Blue Cheese. If I recall the story correctly it's a pheno of Skunk#1.

 

[stonethecrow]

nextup, i would suggest the purple power im enjoying right now the taste, smell and high are awesome and sound to me anyway kinda like what youre askin for.

i dont really know the policy on posting links nor do i wanna piss anyone off so i wont but i can tell you the strain library that i use as a reference when choosing seeds has a c99 x panama red strain so idk maybe google it.

 

[HempKat]

thanx for the info ijim and i guess ill just have to wait n see what happens with the 2 in my garden

and yes i agree awesome answer hempkat. i was just curious is why i asked. im just now reaching a yr of growin my own and yes the last 4 ive harvested i am very pleased with both quality and quantity. before those i had some hermies with seeds a few with lots a few with less but really a few seeds dont bother me since i grow for personal use and i can use em and not have to buy more as soon.

i did go out yesterday n buy an oscillating fan to use in the flower room and that seems to be helping im a homebrewer also so i divide my spare money between the 2 and the 400 is only a couple months old so its homebrew equipment next time but again im pleased with my results as of late so ill just stick to what im doin and be happy thanx again guys

Well I was just reading back over the earlier posts and something caught my attention. When I answered you I thought you were saying you have been doing ScrOG but now I see you are saying you're just now trying it. That alone might be the answer for you. See the two most efficient ways to grow indoors, IMHO, is either SoG or ScrOG both have their advantages and disadvantages but what they have in common is they maximize your canopy which is where your big buds grow. So if you were getting around 2 ounces per plant before just growing 4 plants kind of bush style and rotating one or two out and another one or two in every couple of weeks then you should see bigger numbers per plant if done right.

Now here's what's going to be a challenge for you. You system depends on a steady cycle. What makes for a good ScrOG is a well filled screen carefully trained in veg and you might not always accomplish that every couple of weeks or even in a month. Some plants are slower to develope then others.

The oscillating fan should help some just avoid it blowing directly on the plants. If possible position it such that the air movement the plant feels is from the fan ricocheting off a wall. Many fans on even the low setting is too much to constantly be blowing directly on the plant and can cause the plant to dry out quicker and experience stress.

Temps you want to keep at 75-80 degrees F during lights on and down in the low 60's during lights off. Humidity should be around 50-55% lights on and around 30% lights off. If you can achieve that your plants should be happy and produce nice frosty buds for you, provided you feed and water them of course

Home Brewing eh, interesting, I've often wondered if the smells of that hobby might be enough to mask the smells of the other?