Vote YES or NO on Prop 19

[JJScorpio]

So you're just going to repeat this, even though it's not true.... over and over again?

I guess it will be fact eventually.

So if you're not in this to make money, then why would you not want it to pass? It would help thousands of other people and if you didn't like the space just grow bigger. The penalties are still the same. Your arguments make no sense do they?

And if we're all really on the same side as you say, why would you want to hurt one person that wanted to grow in a 5 by 5 if profit isn't your motivator? I don't think anyone is buying your argument to this.....

 

[BiG H3rB Tr3E]

My guess would be that many users think they deserve more for what they're giving.

Nobody really wants to admit it, but in reality this bill has little to give for what it gains.

Taxation is a kick in face if you consider what has been happening to us for years.

I understand that many people think I want to keep people in jail.

I think they couldn't mistake my intentions any more.

I want us to get what we deserve.

Freedom.

If that's a 5x5 and an ounce to you, fine. But please don't think it is for any other individual.

I completely agree that it sounds great to your average toker.

I don't doubt that they'd be happy.

funny. to my understanding all of 19 has been the work of richard lee. and if it wasnt for him this would have gotten no where (just like every iniative jack herer tried to do for the last 20 years). because most people dont feel like they should do shit. nobody wants to donate money. nobody wants to work for legalization, yet everyone feels like they are owed the world. everyone acts like they should get everything for nothing. its a fucking joke. so go ahead and vote against 19. and once cooley gets in and shits all over the medical marijuana system and puts all you fucking clowns in jail for possessing/growing/selling lets see how god damned clever you think all your work against 19 was. it fucking amazes me how god damned selfish and self centered so many of you are. you remind me of those spoiled fucking 16 year olds on that MTV show whos parents bought them a brand new mercedes benz, but since its not the right model or right color, your just whine and bitch about it when you havent done a god damn thing to deserve it in the first place. you anti19 people make me fucking sick.

 

[BiG H3rB Tr3E]

So if you're not in this to make money, then why would you not want it to pass? It would help thousands of other people and if you didn't like the space just grow bigger. The penalties are still the same. Your arguments make no sense do they?

And if we're all really on the same side as you say, why would you want to hurt one person that wanted to grow in a 5 by 5 if profit isn't your motivator? I don't think anyone is buying your argument to this.....

i sure as fuck aint buying it. like you said it makes no sense. anyone who votes no is just someone whos making money in the current system. plain and fucking simple. i could give a shit how many times mustard acts like hes just a fucking saint who thinks we all deserve better. that we all deserve everything for nothing. but i aint fucking buying it. his arguments make no fucking sense. and anyone who truly wants legalization would see 19 as a step in the right direction. i have yet to meet a single person who doesnt want to see 19 pass that doesnt either A)grow for profit or B) sell for profit. they are the only ones against it. EVERY end turn user ive met is FOR 19. i have talked with 1000s of people and the ONLY people who are against it are growers and sellers. the only other people besides them that are against it are people who dont smoke. have never tried mj. and know nothing about it. but anyone who is on a cannabis growing enthusiast website and says they are against 19 is a grower or dealer. plain and simple. i know mustard is goign to come back with some bullshit sob story about how he just wants whats good for everybody and how 5x5 isnt good enough and how we should expect more and that hes not a grower or dealer just a concerned smoker. well i dont give a shit. im calling your fucking bluff. because you have yet to make a single argument that would show it would be better to keep marijuana illegal. we all know why you want it illegal. because you dont want competition and you like making a living off something that requires you to pay no taxes. thats it. theres NO other reason. we all know your full of shit. so go ahead and spew some more of it. just makes you look foolish because anyone with half a brain can comprehend 19 is a good thing for smokers, unless your a micro mini grower / dealer who cant step their game up and open a business and make a legitimate income.

 

[Herborizer]

I donated money twice to YesOnProp19.

 

[phattybudz]

"Originally Posted by krunchbubble
and to even call it legalization is complete BULLSHIT!!!!!!

whats legalization with major restrictions? bullshit.....

im certain many people who are going to vote YES thinks this is the real deal legalization, fields of pot and blowing while walking down the street...

there going to be really disappointed and pissed when they find out they were taken by the word legalization...
I think we all realize this is just a step--"

This is exactly the right point. It's a step in the right direction, and will have a GLOBAL impact. Is it perfect? Of course not. But it's the best we've got, and it will keep X amount of people out of jail. That's the bottom line.

 

[SCF]

Really? A main point of this thread is if you don't choose one evil (25sq' and the like) than you are against this community.

The NO on 19 crowd doesn't have a third libertarian option like the AG race may have. You either vote yes or no on 19, so really no need to decide between the lesser of two evils?

The guy who admitted that he was going to abstain from voting on 19 also got vilified in this thread.

What do you mean vilified. There has been nothing but facts presented. Maybe before i started posting.

And only time i ever made a snide comment, was when one was directed towards me. In which i decided not to mod this thread anymore as JJ will.

And two, i work here for FREE. I have an opinion as well. Everything i do is voluntary, and just like everyone else here. Spend my precious time to educate people. So when people start using slander, and rumors, and fear tactics, with no facts.

This is where i get fed up, and frustrated. But i know they are only trying to get to me, to say something they believe may hinder who i am.

But unfortunately for them, i am very confident in who i am, and always will be. And i am extremely open minded. As if someone pointed out something in this bill

For instance. Something that would effect prop 215. Id be 100 percent against it.

But there have been no facts on the no side. At all. Just ideas, thoughts, pondering, wondering, and assumptions.

where the yes side has given fact, after fact after fact.


So if a "no" person has some facts to point out. Now is the time to do it! Because we are listening. I want someone to prove the Yes group wrong.

"Originally Posted by krunchbubble
and to even call it legalization is complete BULLSHIT!!!!!!

whats legalization with major restrictions? bullshit.....

im certain many people who are going to vote YES thinks this is the real deal legalization, fields of pot and blowing while walking down the street...

there going to be really disappointed and pissed when they find out they were taken by the word legalization...
I think we all realize this is just a step--"

This is exactly the right point. It's a step in the right direction, and will have a GLOBAL impact. Is it perfect? Of course not. But it's the best we've got, and it will keep X amount of people out of jail. That's the bottom line.

this is as legal as its going to get. FOR A START. and we will, maybe add to it. But just the way 19 stands. I am 100 percent happy with complete legalization, with no more probable cause.

This is LEGALIZATION!!!!!

Its not a dream... pinch yourself.

Now for a bowl of 73 U

 

[delerious]

funny. to my understanding all of 19 has been the work of richard lee. and if it wasnt for him this would have gotten no where (just like every iniative jack herer tried to do for the last 20 years). because most people dont feel like they should do shit.

I just got done watching a bunch of youtube videos pro and con and I thought I came across one with Chris Conrad in the question and answer portion where he was asked something along those lines and he said the person they used to write the initiative up has no connections to marihuana. It was someone who's been successful in drafting initiatives and getting them on the ballot. I didn't catch a name though.

 

[BigBudBill]

So if you're not in this to make money, then why would you not want it to pass? It would help thousands of other people and if you didn't like the space just grow bigger. The penalties are still the same. Your arguments make no sense do they?

And if we're all really on the same side as you say, why would you want to hurt one person that wanted to grow in a 5 by 5 if profit isn't your motivator? I don't think anyone is buying your argument to this.....

I agree. I can see where he coming from....it's just not logical and doesnt make sense when looking at the bigger picture.

 

[BigBudBill]

i sure as fuck aint buying it. like you said it makes no sense. anyone who votes no is just someone whos making money in the current system. plain and fucking simple. i could give a shit how many times mustard acts like hes just a fucking saint who thinks we all deserve better. that we all deserve everything for nothing. but i aint fucking buying it. his arguments make no fucking sense. and anyone who truly wants legalization would see 19 as a step in the right direction. i have yet to meet a single person who doesnt want to see 19 pass that doesnt either A)grow for profit or B) sell for profit. they are the only ones against it. EVERY end turn user ive met is FOR 19. i have talked with 1000s of people and the ONLY people who are against it are growers and sellers. the only other people besides them that are against it are people who dont smoke. have never tried mj. and know nothing about it. but anyone who is on a cannabis growing enthusiast website and says they are against 19 is a grower or dealer. plain and simple. i know mustard is goign to come back with some bullshit sob story about how he just wants whats good for everybody and how 5x5 isnt good enough and how we should expect more and that hes not a grower or dealer just a concerned smoker. well i dont give a shit. im calling your fucking bluff. because you have yet to make a single argument that would show it would be better to keep marijuana illegal. we all know why you want it illegal. because you dont want competition and you like making a living off something that requires you to pay no taxes. thats it. theres NO other reason. we all know your full of shit. so go ahead and spew some more of it. just makes you look foolish because anyone with half a brain can comprehend 19 is a good thing for smokers, unless your a micro mini grower / dealer who cant step their game up and open a business and make a legitimate income.

Agreed.
I think there is only so much we can take!

Mustard.....it feels(my feelings) like I am listening to a lil Anslinger or lil Bush. You're points dont make any sense to me. Might fool the reefer madness people with that crap, but most of us who have been fighting Reefer Madness for years can spot out BS.

 

[Devilboy]

REGARDLESS OF MY PERSONAL BELIEFS ON THIS BILL I HAVE DECIDED I WILL VOTE YES ON 19 FOR ONE REASON AND ONE REASON ONLY I WILL AGREE THAT IT IS BETTER THEN WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE .i dont think it is by far where we need to be but lets take this step THEN START THE HARD WORK OF PUSHING FOR WHAT WE NEED!!!

one thing i will say to the hardcore yes side MAYBE LET SCF & A FEW OTHERS DO THE ARGUING THE POINTS FOR YOU CAUSE THE NAME CALLING AND RUDENESS TOWARDS ANY ONE WHO DOSEN'T SEE THINGS EXACTLY AS YOU DO WILL NOT HELP TO SWAY THEM TO YOUR SIDE...if i tell you a million facts but call you names while doing it at the end of the convo all you will remember is i called you names just a lil piece of advise..kindness always gets you further .

Hell maybe this site with all the great minds on it can work together and write the 2012 bill so we can correct all the shit wrong with 19 and put some thing out there that we as a whole can all fell good about instead of some thing we know is brick pack dirt weed dressed up as A grade just a thought

 

[Herborizer]

REGARDLESS OF MY PERSONAL BELIEFS ON THIS BILL I HAVE DECIDED I WILL VOTE YES ON 19

FOR ONE REASON AND ONE REASON ONLY I WILL AGREE THAT IT IS BETTER THEN WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE .

Thank You!

 

[Devilboy]

and to every1 saying that growers/sellers are against this ..i think you are mistaken every club owner delivery service that i know and most the growers i know and thats alot are all for prop 19 they all agree on one thing and that is if 19 passes they can open there market up to a much larger client base .

we all know that even with it legal to grow many wont hell they dont have the time know how to bother growing when they can get top quality smoke from others at a fair price...and yes 2/3rds of the new growers will be outdoor once a year people who think you just stick a hose on the pant and get good shit..lmaooo are they in for a suprise. regardless any quality grower would have nothing to fear with 19 cause no rookies are going to put out the icky sticky gooowee green that people have come to expect .

 

[Hydrosun]

What do you mean vilified.

I was talking about the Californian who said after considering the prop he has decided NOT to vote.

Well that didn't go over too well with the pro 19 crowd and the abstaining ICmager was informed of their discontent. That is what I was referring to.

Even though there has been the occasional personal attack against me I don't feel vilified, and I love this community and debate.

 

[kmk420kali]

No on 19=

Here is a gift for ppl that don't vote--

 

[BiG H3rB Tr3E]

and to every1 saying that growers/sellers are against this ..i think you are mistaken every club owner delivery service that i know and most the growers i know and thats alot are all for prop 19 they all agree on one thing and that is if 19 passes they can open there market up to a much larger client base .

well we certainly run with different crowds because just about every grower i know from commercial to the people who think they are commercial are against it as they believe price will drop to nothing and put them out of business. alot of dispensary owners i know are afraid that 19 will somehow allow the cities to shut them down. alot of ignorance in these crowds even when presented with facts that should dismiss these confusions. however i am glad to hear that you have changed your position and that many you know have done the same. i was at a party the other night and got into a very heated conversation with a few growers and dealers who were VERY anti19 and it damn near erupted into me stomping some hillbilly grower teeth in...excuse me if ive been a bit harsh on some. im just still in unbelief that so many people i thought would have been for this are against it and it has made me re-evaluate the people that i want to know and associate with.

 

[the_man]

If anybody wants to make any phone Calls.

http://yeson19.com/call

I love the phone set up they have going on.

 

[mean mr.mustard]

If anybody actually read the posts I've made, you wouldn't say that I never brought up any good points.

I didn't say I wanted it illegal. I said that legalizing like this is a limitation that we may not have to cope with.

Look at my posts.

I'm going shopping for a cross.

 

[Hydrosun]

If anybody actually read the posts I've made, you wouldn't say that I never brought up any good points.

I didn't say I wanted it illegal. I said that legalizing like this is a limitation that we may not have to cope with.

Look at my posts.

I'm going shopping for a cross.

dude grab an IPA not a cross, that is the MO. If you are not 100% on board you are a judas. Well IPA and PK will numb you to the slings and arrows, I am personal witness.

This prop will probably pass and they'll quit the extreme rhetoric. It is all love and stoniness

 

[mean mr.mustard]

Hydro I have an IPA in hand actually :friends:

I am so sad that people are just so violently opposed to any criticism of the bill, JUST BECAUSE THEY WANT IT TO PASS.

If they could get past the fact that what I am saying isn't sacrilege, but concern, then I could get past the fact that what they are accusing me of is unfounded.

 

[SkimmingDaSky]

If anybody actually read the posts I've made, you wouldn't say that I never brought up any good points.

I didn't say I wanted it illegal. I said that legalizing like this is a limitation that we may not have to cope with.

Look at my posts.

I'm going shopping for a cross.

Dang you guys in Cali have it good.Being able to possess lbs @ the crib is such a hard limitation to cope with. Gosh, I just don't know how I am going to cope with only being able to have lbs in my house, a personal UNTAXED grow(which is a felony in most states), the ability to buy weed from a store, smoke all the weed I want in the privacy of my own home, and not worry if my employer finds traces of weed in my system. OMG. I just don't know what I am going to do??? Must be something in the water over there huh? lol
5x5 if far from a limitation. No criminal record is far from a limitation. And even if you went over the limit, that bill that corresponds w/ Prop 19(4got the name of it) makes it nothing but a citation. $200 fine or 5 years in jail
A limitation would be no growing, can only possess 10 grams at home and personally, can only buy 10 grams a day...etc etc...This is the most liberal weed law in the world. I don't think Prop 19 and limitation belong in the same sentence.
Try living in a place where a single plant can put you in jail for 5 years. Your idea of a "limitation" would be a dream here.